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You are not alone in your view. This is the second time in the last few days where an insider has been threatened with a "I am going to tell Mom" post. First was Penton-Man and now paidgeek.
I didn't threaten...........I did tell "Mom" actually several "Moms". :)
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You are not alone in your view. This is the second time in the last few days where an insider has been threatened with a "I am going to tell Mom" post. First was Penton-Man and now paidgeek.

I hope these two individuals do not have the net impact of restricting good and honest insider information here on AVS.
It makes sense Sony (i.e. paidgeek) would want to silence the info coming from insiders like CjPlay, because lack of real technological knowledge makes it easier for Sony to sell their Blu-Ray PR. Much of which has been proven fluff by insiders on this very board (i.e. Full 1080p! BD50 needed for reference HD!).
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Candor is exactly what we are looking for here, from all of you (insiders). Ultimately, it is us, the consumer, you are asking to foot the bills for this.
Applying the words “pigs†and “crap†to organizations or their products is not “candor.â€

Candor would be……….*It is my opinion as an experienced compressionist in the industry that the quality of the feature TN is of very poor quality*.

If you and others can’t appreciate the difference, well…..no need to say anymore.
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I didn't threaten...........I did tell "Mom" actually several "Moms". :)
What is sad about this is that those who are honest and bold enough to reveal their names, titles, etc find themselves vulnerable to such attacks.

Those who claim to be insiders and provide no information about their name, title and employer can post information that is threatening or false with impunity. Perhaps the rules of the insider thread need to modified so that all insiders must provide this information so that other "insiders" are less likely to use full disclosure as a weapon to silence critics in this forum.
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This is pretty bold coming from another studio. Are you so candid about WB titles? If not, maybe you could walk a bit softer when discussing another studios properties, regardless of format.
With all due respect, Cjplay has earned the right to say whatever he wants with months of countless posts that have exponetially increased the value of this forum. I'm sure if you stick around long enough you'll earn similar respect, but I don't think any forum member would like the idea of Cjplay censuring his posts in any degree.
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Not a moderator here but I did put forth the original suggestion from which AVS so graciously spawned this thread.

Did the basic thread format of questions and insider answers only, get tossed at some point in favor of the standard monolouge rants, soliloquy's and personal attacks which have been common in some other threads? (that's my question btw)

I understand that we're seeing the type of vitriol one might expect in a thread with direct participation from MS and Sony but there are numerous posts it appear that have niether a question for an insider or an answer from an insider.


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With all due respect, Cjplay has earned the right to say whatever he wants.
With all due respect, nobody has the earned the right to say whatever they want.

Some level of respect is in order or the whole place will turn into mudslinging...

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from this point on, we will monitor posts by insiders such as cjplay in an attempt to determine if his posts are indeed 'soften' after this authoritarian talk because that would imply pressure. :) One word of caution to insiders, please do not treat us as we are the regular J6Ps (no offense to J6Ps) who believe in every advertisements they see, modified PR appearing articles as news in newspapers, TV & internet, and "paid" product reviews.

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With all due respect, nobody has the earned the right to say whatever they want.

Some level of respect is in order or the whole place will turn into mudslinging...
i agree but that is unfairly directed to cjplay. I do remember an insider calling HP as Microsoft's b1tch (in the exact term). There is also an insider, mocking competing format's marketing slogan in his signature. I would say let the non-insiders do that because frankly we are very good at that. Remember, insiders here are the first line communication that we have with techology providers here.
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i agree but that is unfairly directed to cjplay.
It is not directed at anyone - it is a fact.

All the good deeds in the world don't earn anyone special rights to sling mud.

Whether you have one post or 1000, your contribution does not make you so special that you can go beyond the bounds that others should follow.

And for people who represent their companies this applies even more so.

In some areas of the forum I have represented my company and gone to great pains to give only useful information and have generally avoided even commenting on the competition.

Personally I think all of those examples you list demonstrate poor behaviour.

And I think your sig is plenty inflamatory already ;)

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you guys need to cool it so the thread stays open

Happy Holidays

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Excellent thread.
Happy holidays, peace and no censorship please. Thanks :)
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There is also an insider, mocking competing format's marketing slogan in his signature.
And this "insider" has yet to identify the company that he works for and what his position is. At least the Microsoft, Sony and Broadcom people have identified themselves. For all we know, this guy could be "Joe" from Iowa with a hard on for Microsoft!

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And I think your sig is plenty inflamatory already ;)
sh1t ... can that be locked from my posts in this thread only ? :p anyhow, i am not an insider - and as i said, we the regular non-insider are VERY good in flaming each other. So insiders should leave that 'responsibility' to us. you know, people such as me, b2b, darinp, richard, rdjam :D :D
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You guys need to calm down; Paideek may have lashed out, but Hollywood is a place outside of this forum, and both Paidgeek and Cjplay work there. I like and respect Cjplay as well and feel he is often very informative, but at the same time I do agree that when speaking directly about the work of an industry peer when he is present, there's a certain level of mutual respect that I think should be maintained. Paidgeek asking Cjplay to monitor his language as it applied to Talladega Nights wasn't about censorship.

People need to mellow out; these insiders don't need you defending their honor for them, they can take care of themselves.
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can that be locked from my posts in this thread only ? :p
Yes it can. Press the edit button and uncheck the box to show your signature. You can do this on all your new posts from now on.
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To mods and insiders:

Is xbdestroya an insider? If so, then ignore my second question.

Is it helpful when someone like that posts long tirades without questions clearly driving at a biased point without any bashfulness? Is that something that you want to see continue or stop?

Secondly, why is it that BD insiders never disclose who they are personally and then attack the MS (both HD DVD and BD) / HD DVD insiders that do disclose themselves fully? Is it abnormal for people to disclose who they are and not just who they work for? I'm serious about this question, I understand the need for privacy but I'm wondering why the delineation exists between formats and preference for secrecy...it seems like more than simple coincidence.

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Is it helpful when someone like that posts long tirades without questions clearly driving at a biased point without any bashfulness?
What was my biased point? I was simply stating things as they were.

Anyway I was PM'd by the mods earlier today asking whether I was an insider or not in relation to that very post; I gave them my answer, and I'm sure they're wondering what side of the line to come down on even now. (Suffice to say that for the topic I spoke up on, I'm not on the 'outside.')

I'm not sure why people on this forum are adverse to learning things; frankly I think the whole 360 add-on and the synergies that brought it about would be a fascinating topic for most here. On top of this, I honestly commend Microsoft in their handling of the situation. I think Ben understands my apprciation for the way Microsoft has played the game thus far, even if I actively seek to serve as a foil to some of the presentation of said achievements.

If the 'insiders' themselves considered it a tirade - as you do Forceflow - rather than a fair observation... did it ever occur to you that they might be the ones to speak up? So if they don't view it as that, why do you?
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I think that post is better fit for a new thread.....
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Robert in that sense you may be right. I'm not going to create a thread on the matter for the add-on as there's not really much to discuss - it was simply a statement of fact. But perhaps it shifts some of the focus of this thread and takes things in too corporate a direction.

I edited my post so now it only includes my response to Ben and Cj as it applied to the Talladega pack-in.
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Yes it can. Press the edit button and uncheck the box to show your signature. You can do this on all your new posts from now on.
done .. my sig has no place in a informative thread such as this insider's thread :)

thanks for the education ;)
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this thread is drifting off topic

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To mods and insiders:

Is xbdestroya an insider? If so, then ignore my second question.

Is it helpful when someone like that posts long tirades without questions clearly driving at a biased point without any bashfulness? Is that something that you want to see continue or stop?

Secondly, why is it that BD insiders never disclose who they are personally and then attack the MS (both HD DVD and BD) / HD DVD insiders that do disclose themselves fully? Is it abnormal for people to disclose who they are and not just who they work for? I'm serious about this question, I understand the need for privacy but I'm wondering why the delineation exists between formats and preference for secrecy...it seems like more than simple coincidence.
I doubt there is anything sinister about it, it may just be differing company policies.
Microsoft encourages it's employees to identify themselves as such when asked, or when it could be considered important. For instance, if we go to a trade show, even outside work, we're told not to conceal our affiliation (which can be quite a problem when attending linux conventions, for instance :)).

For some of the other folks here, it may be company policy that only certain company officials can represent the company to the public, therefore it would be a mistake to identify themselves belonging to their company, since any statements they make could be construed to be an official statement.

For instance, it would be hard for a newspaper to quote something "paidgeek" says as official SPHE rhetoric, since they don't have a name to attribute. It would be much easier to quote Amir or Kevin.

Of course, it could also be that they don't want their names plastered all over the internet where their bosses could do a search and go "hmmmm" :)

And Penton-Man, you do realize that that post by Amir you got so up in arms about was an "Animal Farm" reference, right?
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Excellent thread.
Happy holidays, peace and no censorship please. Thanks :)
That sentiment is seconded.

A blessed and peaceful Christmas season to all.

Thx. for the timely moderation as wel.


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I don't pretend to understand the subtle reasons for certain titles/timing, but I did have a chance to listen in on some of the discussions on this title. Sony has to consider who the buyer is for the PS3 and what will not offend the red or the blue states. Some of the best looking BD titles are not for family viewing....even in my household.
That might explain the title selection, but I was thinking more along the line of this "25 -v- 50" discussion and the "presentation" of the title. It seems to have gotten a rather lackluster response.... whereas something like Serenity was something of an assualt on the senses.

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I didn't threaten...........I did tell "Mom" actually several "Moms". :)
Then I have a questions for you as an insider:

1) I you posted your affilition inside the industry I missed it. Would you mide a recap, or perhaps a pointre to the post #?

2) Who did you tell? If you are going to volunatrily particiapte in a forum where what is being aied is public, then please deal with it publicly. CJ clearly posted an opinion. Please explain your actions. Otherwise I'll continue to view your participation as policeman and damage control rather than insider sharing information in order to gain consumer acceptance.

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Moderators will decide who the insiders are: and this is done off line

Now....please: the purpose of this thread is to pose Q to Insiders: and Insiders answer them
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whereas something like Serenity was something of an assualt on the senses
Compare the box office and general appeal of "Talledega" vs "Serenity" and it's no contest.
Why pack a title with extremely limited appeal?

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Compare the box office and general appeal of "Talledega" vs "Serenity" and it's no contest.
Why pack a title with extremely limited appeal?
Serenity wasn't packed. I used it as an example of an early title that demonstrated what the new format was capable of. None of the standalone decks packed a disc, altho Toshiba will send you 3 from a list of 15-18 or so.

Now, both game consoles DID pack discs, and the HD DVD with the 360 add-on was King King, which was a spectacular xfer and a big box-office draw.

Two opportunities to generate some buzz seem to me to be: the initial discs avaialable at format launch, and when you might want to make a strong marketing push by including a free disc with an expected large-sellar player... seems to me that's the time to break out the eye-candy...

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Moderators will decide who the insiders are: and this is done off line

Now....please: the purpose of this thread is to pose Q to Insiders: and Insiders answer them
To Penton-Man or a Mod: Penton Man, what is your insider affiliation?

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Now....please: the purpose of this thread is to pose Q to Insiders: and Insiders answer them
Where do threats made to insiders fall in that equation?
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