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I wonder if the porn industry could play a big role in this whole HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray. I recently read a stat that more money is spent on adult videos than is spent on MLB, NFL, and the NBA every year. It is a much bigger industry than anyone thought. They sell millions of DVDs every year in the U.S. and even more overseas. I'm sure there would be an overwhelming market for adult movies in HD. Already there are lots of adult DVDs (usually the more expensive and high quality ones) that are shot in 16x9. Now that more and more people have invested in HD, I think that HD porn would be a huge hit. I recently saw a show on HD net that had girls in exotic places in bikini's. It was beautifully shot in HD and it was stunning seeing these beauties in full HD. It was a completely different experience than seeing it in standare def. I found a few porn companies that even advertise that there DVDs are shot in HD. Obviously people on this site are smart enough to realize that you can't see it in HD unless they release it on HD-DVD/Blu-Ray or if it somehow makes it onto one of the cable or sattalite HD channels.

If the porn industry struck a deal with one of the formats, wouldn't that be a big factor in this war? Just think of how this would effect the software companies that will make HD-DVDs or Blu-Ray discs. Also, it might influence people who watch adult titles in there choice of whether to go with an HD-DVD or Blu-Ray player.

Personally I will be getting an HD-DVD player for Christmas. I finally made my decision based on the reviews I've read and the prices of Blu-Ray players. For me it's an easy choice. HD-DVD is very aggressive with it's priceing and it is the superior product. Unfortunately the studios and major stores are pushing Blu-Ray for there own selfish reasons. If us consumers are smart we will support HD-DVD overwhelmingly over BD. This will force the studios to release titles in HD-DVD and it will force the stores to carry and display HD-DVD products. Looks like the playstation 3 will be delayed in Europe and few will be available in the U.S. in the near future. This is another failure of Sony and Blu-Ray. Hopefully people will smarten up and buy into HD-DVD in the near future.
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At one point I thought that the PS3 might end up being the most popular player around for playing HD porn (kind of ironic for a game system). But if HD DVD gets that market, then I guess the XBOX360 addon would be one of the most popular HD porn playing devices. Some of the jokes there are a little too easy. :)

As far as girls in bikinis on HDNet, they told me that they would be releasing "Bikini Destinations: Fantasies" (the one without tops) on HD discs (at the time it was Blu-ray, but probably HD DVD now). You can orders HD DVDs of shows with the bikinis on from www.hd.net .

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Interesting thread, the porn industry was a leader in web technologies, maybe the same will happen with the new disc formats. :rolleyes:
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I saw info on some Japanese porn which has already been released on HD-DVD. There's a website which shows screenshots comparing the dvd vs. HD-DVD versions. Deep Throat is also due for release soon.
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I wonder if they'll make a porn skin for the 360 then. Maybe a "strap on" label for the HD DVD drive instead of calling it an add-on?
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Do you really want to see that pimple on Jenna James' butt in HD? ;)
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Do you really want to see that pimple on Jenna James' butt in HD? ;)
I probably wouldn't notice the pimple. ;)

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I think the lower replication costs of HD DVD discs give the pOOrn industry an easier entry into HD DVD. Some porn studio will release dual HD SD DVD discs early next year, just to say they are doing it, for the publicity gimmick.

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This brings back the days of the HD PORN thread in 2002...

Never happened OTA and never happened on D-THEATER...I'm hoping for HD DVD. Although, this may be a curse in more than one way.

BTW -- Japan started early as mentioned on the HD DVD porn.

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I wonder if they'll make a porn skin for the 360 then. Maybe a "strap on" label for the HD DVD drive instead of calling it an add-on?

What a great Idea Chris...
You must send the smoke signals and send that one over to the boys at MS

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I wonder if they'll make a porn skin for the 360 then. Maybe a "strap on" label for the HD DVD drive instead of calling it an add-on?
LMAO, good one, maybe the WAF will go up! :D
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Also the fact the can distribute HD DVD compatible HD porn on standard DVD discs would be a big selling point for the porn industry.

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small companies with small turn-overs struggling to survive, with sales of 5000 units being considered a smash hit, are highly unlikely to have any impact on this format war. besides most porn seems to be gonzo these days, made on a shoestring budget and shot with camcorders. there's no room in that equation for investment in expensive new tech that might not have much of a market anyway. my guess is HD porn will be a gimik for quite some time.
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If Playboy released the PMOY video in HD DVD or BR, you'd see a sales spike of more than 5000 units, I guarantee you. Also, those camcorders for the bigger studios (and there are "bigger" ones than others, couldn't resist :) ) are getting cheaper by the minute for HD versions. Besides, just like the studios with their back catalog, there's porn studios with their back catalog. And last, but not least, those multi-packs of SD versions. As mentioned before, to release 4 videos on a single layer DVD instead of a dual-layer would save them money as they could burn them themselves for cheaper than they do now.

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FYI I think most people in that business refer to it as the Adult Entertainment business. "Porn" is seen as a bit derogatory, even if unintentional. The only reason that matters is that we have a member here who owns one of the larger production companies, and he may chime in with his thoughts.

The last time I saw him post on this subject, he indicated that, for the time being, Blu-ray wouldn't do Adult material due to policies of the replicators, though that may change over time.

I would encourage him to release something on HD-9 to test the waters.
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porn in hd? i would reserve the money and give to the Salvation army !!
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If Playboy released the PMOY video in HD DVD or BR, you'd see a sales spike of more than 5000 units, I guarantee you. Also, those camcorders for the bigger studios (and there are "bigger" ones than others, couldn't resist :) ) are getting cheaper by the minute for HD versions. Besides, just like the studios with their back catalog, there's porn studios with their back catalog. And last, but not least, those multi-packs of SD versions. As mentioned before, to release 4 videos on a single layer DVD instead of a dual-layer would save them money as they could burn them themselves for cheaper than they do now.

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playboy? isn't this thread about porn? back catalog has been tried with poor results: old porn doesn't sell well. as for releasing more muck on a single disc, that's already being done with 16hr comps from bottom dweller companies. this isn't the market DP/EA are targeting, with good reason. the "bigger" companies (two gonzo, the rest feature/comp) are being strangled out of the market and forced to follow the strategies of all the little fish taking their business. in 5 years i wouldn't be surprised if it was all gonzo with just a few features produced for ppv tv. unless something startling and strange happens with the next US administration of course...
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FYI I think most people in that business refer to it as the Adult Entertainment business. "Porn" is seen as a bit derogatory, even if unintentional. The only reason that matters is that we have a member here who owns one of the larger production companies, and he may chime in with his thoughts.
pornographers generally have no illusions about their business or their clients. they're among the most jaded and cynical people out there, with more than a healthy dose of self hatred thrown in for good measure. and who can blame them. it's a dirty game.
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pornographers generally have no illusions about their business or their clients. they're among the most jaded and cynical people out there, with more than a healthy dose of self hatred thrown in for good measure. and who can blame them. it's a dirty game.
Whether true or not, those kind of comments are unlikely to draw them into our conversation :)
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:) any porner insulted beyond measure by a civilian spouting the words i used won't last long in the game. but if you're really interested in hearing what they think and plan there are online places for that as well...
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:) any porner insulted beyond measure by a civilian spouting the words i used won't last long in the game. but if you're really interested in hearing what they think and plan there are online places for that as well...
What are they saying? Are they trying to strike a deal with HD-DVD or not? Are they planning on releasing any HD products in the near future?
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maybe instead of those petitions to MGM and Disney, we should be petitioning Chris Dallas. :)
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maybe instead of those petitions to MGM and Disney, we should be petitioning Chris Dallas. :)
I'll volunteer to deliver the petition to one of the sets during a shoot. :)

Note: As long as it is a shoot involving women. Just had to get that in there as I don't know what kind of work he does. :)

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What are they saying? Are they trying to strike a deal with HD-DVD or not? Are they planning on releasing any HD products in the near future?
very few understand what's going on (see DP's use of HD DVD logo on Pirates), and still fewer are willing to make a financial commitment to such a small market. right now it's just a few big dog feature studios planing to make a handful of tentative releases in HD, though the little boys use the HD logo to try and shift their product anyway.
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playboy? isn't this thread about porn? back catalog has been tried with poor results: old porn doesn't sell well. as for releasing more muck on a single disc, that's already being done with 16hr comps from bottom dweller companies. this isn't the market DP/EA are targeting, with good reason. the "bigger" companies (two gonzo, the rest feature/comp) are being strangled out of the market and forced to follow the strategies of all the little fish taking their business. in 5 years i wouldn't be surprised if it was all gonzo with just a few features produced for ppv tv. unless something startling and strange happens with the next US administration of course...
You've GOT to tell me what you mean by gonzo, because all I've got in my head is a little blue guy with a bent nose.

Adult Entertainment does everything it can to feed the market, period. If the market goes to HD or BD, they will find a way to get it there cheaply. Also, don't forget all those "soft-core films" that were shot on film. Yes, back catalog doesn't sell well, but it'll sell enough. You get the producer who "knows" compression or can hire a cheap guy to make it for them will find a way if only to feed a niche market. 500 sales times $20? Thats $10k in one day for these guys. To burn 4-6 old movies he/she didn't have to pay for again for to a $.50 DVD-R that'll play on these "new-fangled" machines and sell it for $20 has at least SOME potential.

BTW, Playboy has HD VOD now and for the last year+. Nothing's going to stop them from producing for HD DVD or BD in about a year or so, I think. What's the point of an HD master if you don't use it?

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gonzo is a term which comes from Hunter S Thompson's style of journalism - a free form rambling story where the writer is also a protagonist. in porn it refers to a vid where the camera is acknowledged by the performers, breaking that all-important 4th wall. most smut is of this style since it's so cheap to make and requires little or no talent to produce - no story, no acting, no make-up, minimal lighting, etc...

as you can imagine this isn't a set-up which welcomes the introduction of new advanced technology. particulary since most of the cameramen daren't switch out of autofocus.

btw old porn is certainly sold, but only by no-name outfits who don't mind scraping together a few penies from the bottom of the barrel. for the most part it's online, since the real hurdle it faces is one of distribution: 500 pieces isn't enough to get your product moving. the distributors are the ones who hold the real power, oddly enough.
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I wonder if the porn industry could play a big role in this whole HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray. I recently read a stat that more money is spent on adult videos than is spent on MLB, NFL, and the NBA every year. It is a much bigger industry than anyone thought. They sell millions of DVDs every year in the U.S. and even more overseas. I'm sure there would be an overwhelming market for adult movies in HD. Already there are lots of adult DVDs (usually the more expensive and high quality ones) that are shot in 16x9. Now that more and more people have invested in HD, I think that HD porn would be a huge hit. I recently saw a show on HD net that had girls in exotic places in bikini's. It was beautifully shot in HD and it was stunning seeing these beauties in full HD. It was a completely different experience than seeing it in standare def. I found a few porn companies that even advertise that there DVDs are shot in HD. Obviously people on this site are smart enough to realize that you can't see it in HD unless they release it on HD-DVD/Blu-Ray or if it somehow makes it onto one of the cable or sattalite HD channels.

If the porn industry struck a deal with one of the formats, wouldn't that be a big factor in this war? Just think of how this would effect the software companies that will make HD-DVDs or Blu-Ray discs. Also, it might influence people who watch adult titles in there choice of whether to go with an HD-DVD or Blu-Ray player.
This is fundamentaly wrong. I just saw a documentary about the overestimated monetary value of the porn market. TOGETHER the 9 (nine) largest porn companies IN THE WORLD have an annual sale of about 1 billion dollars. This includes not only movies but also sextoys etc. Compare that to the 9 largest companies in just about any other business and porn turns out to have little or nowhere as big an impact on any aspect of the economy as many seems to think.

It's only been inte the last year or two that more than one or two studios even use widescreen cameras. Many still don't. They're not gonna be a factor for HD.
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I’m the HD project manager for the largest US adult catalog and think “adult†could influence the format battle.

There will be several bigger budget HD DVD XXX titles out before the end of the year, probably as early as next month, from at least 2 studios and probably more.

The major adult companies have been shooting in HD for a couple years. The problem right now is mastering costs are too expensive when average adult titles sell only 2-5,000 units. This year, HD will be for those companies trying to establish a foothold in the market. Starting in Q2 2007, when the replicator for most adult companies gets its own mastering equipment, there could be a lot of titles available.

We were initially going Blu-Ray because of Sony’s Hollywood and CE commitments, but the cost differences in hardware and most importantly, disk replication, combined with good HD DVD and bad Blu-Ray buzz changed our decision to releasing only on HD DVD. Right now, it looks like most of the adult industry will go the same way.

There is a significant market for adult. If adult buyers purchase HD DVD players because that’s where the initial content is, it could end up being a closed loop of disks/players/more disks. With small production runs, it’s not profitable to release in two formats and Blu-Ray could lose the adult buyers forever. Like what we do or not, adult sells a lot of DVDs and has committed customers.

Adult was a player in the VHS/Beta battle. No question adult led in every commerce application on the web. It is not out of the realm of possibility we will have an effect in HD.

Would more people only buy Blu-Ray because they want to watch Lawrence of Arabia or would more people only buy HD DVD because they want to watch porn? I'd guess the latter.

John Menoni, Wait a couple weeks before you buy your player. We may have something you will like.

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Well, my Blu-ray players and money will be waiting for the titles to be released on that format. Best of luck however!
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These won't be the WMV-HD stuff like Pirates right? You're actually going to release on HD DVD?


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