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post #211 of 216 Old 01-09-2007, 08:52 PM
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Well, if Microsoft's numbers are to be believed, and I think they aren't, that means that BR and BD have sold the same number of HD media only units.

In reality, Toshiba probably really has moved their 70K, plus a little more A2s, and Microsoft has probably moved around 100 of their addons

Just curious. You Dont believe M$, But you Do believe Fox?
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Just curious. You Dont believe M$, But you Do believe Fox?

As i have stated numerous times today, if Fox were lying Toshiba and MS would have been all over them like white on rice, as the VideoScan numbers are accessible to all parties with a financial stake in this. They didn't call Shennanigans, so there is no reason to doubt it until proven otherwise.

Microsoft refused to provide a number of addons they sold other than something like "selling quickly", and it appears the Toshiba number includes all HD capable devices, so since the numbers don't jive (150,000+70+,000 does not equal 175,000) we're forced to conclude that someone is fudging their numbers. Since Toshiba is unlikely to be fudging the numbers down, once must conclude that MS is fudging their numbers UP, at least to the point of "150,000 shipped", when Toshiba was reporting sellthrough
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Maybe the number is purposely deflated to boost the attach rate number. Anyways someone is lying.
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Well, if Microsoft's numbers are to be believed, and I think they aren't,

Which numbers are you talking about ?
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As i have stated numerous times today, if Fox were lying Toshiba and MS would have been all over them like white on rice, as the VideoScan numbers are accessible to all parties with a financial stake in this. They didn't call Shennanigans, so there is no reason to doubt it until proven otherwise.

Why would they? The BDA conference for what it was, was a rah rah session declaring themselves victorious (as if they were going to talk up HD DVD, which would have made for news).

Toshiba probably shook their heads at that Fox graph, laughed a little, then went about their business.
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Toshiba probably shook their heads at that Fox graph, laughed a little, then went about their business.

That "business" likely consisted of beginning development of a Blu-ray Disc player since their format was handily beaten in the marketplace.

Fight mediocrity: Insist on BD50 discs for all movies longer than 100 minutes, optimized video encodes that fully utilize the available space, lossless audio track, and new masters for catalog titles!
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