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"Warner Home Video's press conference concerning the Total Hi Def disc that has HD DVD and Blu-ray all on one disc is currently ongoing, and it has stated that the discs are able to contain dual layers of both HD DVD and Blu-ray on one disc. The first Total Hi Def releases will hit in the second half of this year, but no specific titles have yet been announced. At the conference, Warner used a copy of Superman to show off how it worked in an HD DVD player, Blu-ray player, and the recently announced LG Super Multi player that plays either. Finally, Warner claims it will not cost "materially" more than a regular disc. At the conference, already an exec from Best Buy has come out in support of the format, but whether or not other studios would ever pick up on Total Hi Def releases is still unknown, although Warner claims they would not have to pay any licensing fees to Warner for using it."

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we knew this for awhile already

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This Total HD disc may turn out to be as useless as the HD DVD combo disc. I would hope Warner will continue to release separate BD versions as I'm not fond of paying more money for something I have no use for.
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Are they at least going to still give format strict releases? Otherwise I guess come second quarter next year I won't be buying WB either... unless the pricepoint is 18-27 dollars.

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Why the heck should I have to pay $$$ to have the movie on the other side of the disk in a format I don't want?
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Why the heck should I have to pay $$$ to have the movie on the other side of the disk in a format I don't want?

So perhaps if your forced to buy the format that wins the war, you won't have to re-purchase the movie.
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It's impossible to do dual layer for both and not have it be a flipper as far as I can tell from the specs

Either way, the fact that they're not charging royalties says to me that they don't have a lot of confidence in other people wanting to use it, and that if anyone else adopts it it'll simply lower their replication costs a bit
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This Total HD disc may turn out to be as useless as the HD DVD combo disc. I would hope Warner will continue to release separate BD versions as I'm not fond of paying more money for something I have no use for.

More so. At least you could argue the DVD part of a combo had some uses. What good is the other HD format side?

I think is safe to assume that Warner's intention is to have ALL their HD discs be dual-format. And I expect they'll retain the $5 combo premium.

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Either way, the fact that they're not charging royalties says to me that they don't have a lot of confidence in other people wanting to use it, and that if anyone else adopts it it'll simply lower their replication costs a bit

Maybe they are hoping to sway the BD studios to neutrality?

Isn't working:
Hybrid products unlikely to end DVD format war


Fox dismisses it as unnecessary, because they think BD has already won. And Disney and Lionsgate say they'll never use it.

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IF Total HD proves itself and is successful, BD-exclusive studios will rethink their strategy.

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I refuse to buy flippers. Period.

You don't have to flip. Play the side you need, and that's it.

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I like the pretty pictures on the discs.....
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I like the pretty pictures on the discs.....

I'll admit I do too, but I like the pretty HD picture just a wee bit more.

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Only if Warner supplies a label to cover up the HD DVD side. For an extra $5, they can atleast supply a sticker to do that.

"Apply to side that offends you"

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Looks like the cases might be Midnight Black


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IF Total HD proves itself and is successful, BD-exclusive studios will rethink their strategy.

The HD DVD-exclusive studio might rethink it's strategy as well.

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IF Total HD proves itself and is successful, BD-exclusive studios will rethink their strategy.

Why spend the money to author for 2 formats when you can kill one?

Warner, if the reports are true, has contracts with both sides to release titles, and finds this to be a solution to double inventory
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Why spend the money to author for 2 formats when you can kill one?

Because you can't (kill one) ?
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Looks like the cases might be Midnight Black


That is ridiculously ugly!! I pray I won't see Matrix like that.

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The HD DVD-exclusive studio might rethink it's strategy as well.

Once the Blu-Ray exclusive studios realize that they're not selling as many Blu-Ray titles as HD DVD titles are selling, they'll be the ones to consider the change. Universal would have no incentive to change their discs when HD DVD is obviously the better seller, especially once inexpensive, dedicated HD DVD players begin massive penetration in the market. Gotta love the China price.

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You know the TotalHD thing from Warner actually looks like a good way for more studios to sell the movies. Think about this if all the studios adopt this...it means that ALL HD players will get ALOT more HD content regardless of format.

That's alot of sold movies.
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Why the heck should I have to pay $$$ to have the movie on the other side of the disk in a format I don't want?

Why the heck should I have to buy a Blu-ray player to watch Spiderman and The Little Mermaid? Tough! That's what you get in a war. Nothing's fair about it.
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All sounds promising.

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they would not have to pay any licensing fees to Warner for using it.

Does that mean they have to pay licencing fees to someone else? Or is it truely licence free? And are you locked to a particular manufacturer for these discs?

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Looks like it was knocked together at the last minute.

BTW it doesn't look like any of the other studios are interested in this idea at the moment, assuming it is even technically possible. But then none of the other studios adopted Warners idea of HD/SD combo releases either...
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This would be huge for Video rental stores?
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From the live coverage and the Q&A:

What is the capacity for each side?
They have the full capacity of both HD DVD and Blu-ray and dual layer on both discs.
Cost of production is unknown, but it will not be materially more that a regular HD disc.
No retail price yet, but it is not cost prohibited.
If it motivates customers to buy it will be worth the cost.

Will HBO and Newline be making TotalHD discs?
Yes, no one else has announced support.
They haven't run any titles to market yet, but now they will.
HBO is very excited and think it is important to end the consumer confusion.
We will announce titles later, but right now the second half of 2007.

Licensing costs for other studios?
The fees overall don't change, there is no fee for Warner, only to Blu-ray and HD DVD.

They will move away from regular discs and only produce TotalHD discs.

How will the player know which format to play on a dual format player?
It is a dual sided disc, so you have to put it in the correct way.
They plan to have the same content on both sides.

When will see LOTR in this format?
They are working on it now and are determining a release date.

Any replication machine will be able to make this disc.

Does this mean we are authoring twice and isn't the feature support different?
They have to do that now so this doesn't change that process.

Isn't this a temporary solution?
Other formats co-exist and the format war will be long.

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Pretty much decides the "Will LOTR be HD DVD exclusive?" question, huh?

> Any replication machine will be able to make this disc.

That seems an odd thing to say. A DVD replication machine can make this disc?

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This would be huge for Video rental stores?

Rental stores hate flippers. So much they often get custom DVD-9 versions of DVD-18 titles. They're just that much easier to damage, in this case probably 10x as easy

I don't know where they're getting the"any machine" thing either. You'd have to have a BR machine, and an HD machine at the least
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As an HD-DVD early-adopter, I have been hoping for a strong showing by software vendors, and a Disney defection to neutral.

CES was a big disappointment. On the hardware side, things are okay but could be better (it sounds like the LG combo player is vaporware for HD-DVD).

On the software side, perception is reality. Blu managed to get their troops in line (sargeant-major Sony must have whipped them into shape). HD-DVD is playing the nice guy, just allowing each company to do their own thing (i.e. Universal).

Is it just me, or is the nice-guy approach getting a bit old? This is a war. The idea that both sides will stick around for a long time is only true if people believe it to be true. Consumer confidence is king. Neither format can succeed unless the consumer sees reasonable cost hardware, and sees a steady stream of movies they want. They also don't want to be saddled with a video library that can only be played back if they keep their HD-A1 forever.

Right now, as a consumer, my confidence in HD-DVD's future has been given a hit, and I have no inclination to take one for the team, and buy up every HD-DVD release just to shore up the format. I'm only going to buy the movies I love, and believe I want to watch multiple times. I'll rent the rest. That's what I usually do with DVD anyway, though cheap prices have my collection growing (sometimes it is as cheap to buy as to rent).

Now, back on topic:

I originally thought a combo player would be the solution to the confidence problem in the war. However, I now think Total-HD may be a solution for a consumer like me. Provided the extra cost is small (an extra $5), I am much more inclined to buy a Total-HD disk of something like LOTR than an HD-DVD version. The set will likely cost $100 anyway, and I already have the DVD sets. There is no way I'm going to re-buy it on a format that may go away.

On the other hand, I can buy this sofware, play it on my HD-A1, and know that my library won't be made obsolete. Players get read problems, often after a few years. I upgrade players every 3 or 4 years. But I have no desire to sell off my collection of movies.

So, I back Total-HD, not as a HD-DVD fanboy (it won't help HD-DVD over Blu), but as a consumer who has already chosen HD-DVD, for better or for worse, and wants to build up a non-obsolete movie collection.

Now, just don't make the disks $40 each!!!!

PS: I won't be turning into a BD fanboy anytime soon. I feel sick at the BD/Sony arrogance of "you only need MPEG2" and "it's all Samsung's fault not our disks" and the "resistance is futile" attitude. I have no confidence that the exclusive BD houses have any commitment to quality, or that the hardware vendors have any commitment to low prices/high quality. They will have to earn my trust, after losing it early. Now, why isn't high-def selling better .... I wonder?
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Now, just don't make the disks $40 each!!!!

Given that their less expensive HD/DVD combos are $40, I'm going to guess a $40 MINIMUM, maybe even $45
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