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Old 01-13-2007, 09:41 PM - Thread Starter
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http://www.beyond3d.com/articles/ces2007/brhddvd/

Any comments and/or constructive criticism is welcomed.
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Old 01-13-2007, 09:46 PM
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Alright alright, I can dig it.
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Finally, an unbiased report! Puts some of the others to shame.

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Old 01-13-2007, 10:18 PM
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Good summary of the show, more detail than the AP.
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great organization, I thought it was very fair to both sides (objectivity is rare). I especially liked the ending quote by Nickerson. It seems like we all have some waiting on our hands, hopefully the studios oblige us with some quality material to pass the time.

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Very well done Robert!

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http://www.beyond3d.com/articles/ces2007/brhddvd/

Any comments and/or constructive criticism is welcomed.

If the Samsung is going to have the Realta chip that is going to be a very nice feature.
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Old 01-13-2007, 10:41 PM - Thread Starter
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If the Samsung is going to have the Realta chip that is going to be a very nice feature.

Let's hope so. After their first player was heavily criticized (fairly or not), I'm rooting for them to come back and win over some people.
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http://www.beyond3d.com/articles/ces2007/brhddvd/

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Very good summation and well written.

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Old 01-13-2007, 11:06 PM
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Nicely done! You hit the major points of the show without the spin. Congrats!
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Excellent article.

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Someone who saw both the positive Blu Ray points AND the positive HD-DVD ones.

Inconceivable!

Good job, man.
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Old 01-14-2007, 12:50 AM
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Nicely written covering a lot of fronts.

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Nice work. About as neutral as I can imagine being.

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Old 01-14-2007, 06:53 AM
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Good job Robert. This could replace 95% of the wasteless threads on this forum.
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Old 01-14-2007, 07:00 AM
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I agree. Excellent article.
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very very nice article Robert. very well written, looking forward to more articles of yours.
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That was an excellent article. Good writing.
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Old 01-14-2007, 12:33 PM
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Best summary yet.

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I agree!

Good to see an article that provides a good factual summary instead of sensationalistic nonsense.
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Old 01-14-2007, 01:09 PM
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Nice article. Only thing that bothered me a bit was the there was HD-DVD 51GB discs mentioned and nothing about BD 100GB or 200GB discs. But then again I'm just bit biased towards BD
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Great article!

This seems to be the one thing that people from both camps can agree on
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Nice article. Only thing that bothered me a bit was the there was HD-DVD 51GB discs mentioned and nothing about BD 100GB or 200GB discs. But then again I'm just bit biased towards BD

I was just focusing on the video playback aspects of it. Thus I left out PC drives, recordable media and so on.
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You, sir, have produced the most objective, unbiased article I've read so far in regards to CES. Good job!

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Excellent article! Good job of maintaining objectivity

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Very objective, kudos to you. I had the pleasure of meeting a few members of AVS at CES, wish I could have met you.

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Sorry to provide a correction in this sea of congratulations, Robert, but your paragraph regarding BD-Live is incorrect:
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One piece of hardware clearly missing was a Blu-ray player with full "BD-Live" specification compliance. This spec. is mandatory for all players produced after June 2007, and is the advanced software interactivity layer of Blu-ray. All players released before June 2007 must only be "BD-J" compliant. Additional features of BD-Live -- such as an Ethernet port for downloading content, greater amount of persistent storage (bookmarks and other interactivity), PiP (a proper secondary video) stream -- are all optional on current players with no obligation from a manufacturer to add these features via firmware updates.

BD-Live is not a more advanced form of BD-J. All players have the exact same BD-J support. The difference is whether hardware support is present for networking and local storage (which is primarily intended for storing A/V; all BD players must have persistent storage for bookmarks and such). Also, BD-Live isn't mandatory (ever, as far as I know). Secondary video and 256MB of local storage become mandatory in June; BD-Live will always be an option, though I expect most players will support it.

Beyond this correction I agree the article is quite objectively written.

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All players have the exact same BD-J support.

Is PiP a function of BD-J?
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Secondary video (typically referred to here as "real PiP") can be accessed from HDMV or from BD-J API's.

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