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post #991 of 2128 Old 11-06-2007, 01:55 PM
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can someone post some screenshots of 2001 - A Space Odyssey? that would be nice
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Here's the open matte 1080i version of The Aviator vs the BD...

1080i;

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Slightly better textures on the BRD but the lack of macroblocking blows the broadcast version away.
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Silent Hill


19.90 GB Mpeg-2 ............................................................ ............................................................ ............................................................ ............................................................ ............................................................ ............................................................ 21.00 GB VC-1


8.56 GB*9.50 Mbps........................................................ ............................................................ ............................................................ ............................................................ ............................................................ ............................................................ ....4.76 Mbps
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As expected, tons of compression artifacts in the Blu-Ray version of Silent Hill:



Mouseover comparison of the entire image:
http://horn.hdtvtotal.com/hdtvtotal/...l/ab2e51b2.png
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That's to be expected. The HD-DVD isn't too clean either though.
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Here's Die Hard 1080i vs the BD...

1080i;

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Die Hard is definitely not a pretty movie but the improvements are obvious. The broadcast version looks filtered and horizontally stretched out.
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Die Hard with a Vengeance, 1080i vs BD.

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I did have a Die Hard 2 cap but I can't remember what hard drive it's on right now.
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Wow, that cropped DH3 capture looks godawful. No detail at all.

Thanks for the comparisons, House.
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As expected, tons of compression artifacts in the Blu-Ray version of Silent Hill:



Mouseover comparison of the entire image:
http://horn.hdtvtotal.com/hdtvtotal/...l/ab2e51b2.png

Also as expected, the hdvd version yields considerable compression artifacts in the dark regions just beyond the water. Both samples are clearly bitrate starved for this particular image scenario.

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Thank Christ Fox finally remastered Die Hard 3 without resorting to DNR and EE!
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There have been a number of other threads and comments recently about how hidef discs are encoded in the BT709 color space while DVDs use the older standard BT601. The difference is usually the transform math used when translating to RGB which is usually done for display.

However it occurs to me this conversion to RGB is also likely to be done (or not) when creating a screen cap and saving a JPEG file. Anyone know how this process works for highdef disc captures? Xylon? I'm guessing most PC's are still set up to display RGB color and I'm wondering if we are actually seeing the correct colors in all these caps.

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It's interesting how the reddish tinge of the new DHWAV transfer is very close to that of Disney's German DVD, which features a completely different transfer from the abysmal R1 edition (DVDBeaver has some small caps).
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Afaik, bt709 was developed with a specific intent to cover the same colorspace as RGB (in order to sidestep or greatly reduce the possibility of incompatibility issues, in the first place). If you do a Google lookup of color gamut diagrams, you will find that 709 and sRGB are essentially covering the same color domain (you may also discover a very interesting point of information about 601, as well ).

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The 5 Star version on DVD of the DH Trilogy looked ULGY, DH3 was a EE madness, and the first one look AWFUL!

I'am glad they didn't seem to apply any DNR, the Broadcast version have a lot of DNR on it, can easily be seen on the 2nd shot..

89+ Blu-ray Disc ;)
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Afaik, bt709 was developed with a specific intent to cover the same colorspace as RGB (in order to sidestep or greatly reduce the possibility of incompatibility issues, in the first place). If you do a Google lookup of color gamut diagrams, you will find that 709 and sRGB are essentially covering the same color domain (you may also discover a very interesting point of information about 601, as well ).

The two are similar color spaces but don't look quite the same. I tried to bring up this issue here on AVS back in 2003 regarding HDTV captures but never really got a satisfying conclusion. Back then my contention was that most of us had our PC's set up for displaying DVD's (BT601) so we might not be getting quite correct color when displaying HDTV (BT709) from HTPC's.

At that time I wrote a quickie BT709toBT601 Avisynth filter to convert to BT601 and posted it on my web page. I also posted a (not very good) side by side image showing the differeces in a screen cap of a 709 and converted to 601 image, both made from the same OTA HDTV recording.

That image is still out there on my web site, though these days I don't even remember the name of that soon canceled show.

See: www.trbarry.com/BT709ToBT601.2.jpg

Whether you think the left or right side of the image is more correct will likely depend upon your current PC display setup.

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Credit goes to a poster on another forum.

The Shining (HDNet 1080i broadcast vs BRD)

The HDNet version suffers from the same infamous 1080i jaggy problem that many early Warner Bros HD transfers display. No jaggies on the HDM release. What about Twilight Zone: The Movie?

<-1080i / BRD->

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Those Die Hard screens look pretty great, I wish all the older catalogue titles could look this unmanipulated.

The Shining looks OK, but not much more. Seems too smooth. And I don't know if it's because of some grain-suppressing algorithm or because of VC-1 at lower bitrates but I'm really not liking the macroblock-like blotches that can be seen everywhere in the grain, for example the back wall in the second shot. I don't know how much of a difference it makes during playback, but just looking at the screens like this it's not even close to the solid grain structure on Die Hard.
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2001 BD vs HDNet 1080i;

1080i;

BD;


1080i;

BD;


1080i;

BD;


1080i;

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Here's a request you don't hear often- can you do edward scissorhands - the bluray vs. the original dvd (i figure its in the bargain bin now).
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Man, why does 2001 look so friggin soft? DNR smoothing, old transfer? The color timing is a lot nicer than the HDNet version but the lack of truly sharp imagery is disappointing. To top it off there's still some EE hanging around.
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2001 also has these very strange yellow/greenish "splotches" (only way to describe it really) that are all over the movie... happens on both versions. You can see it somewhat on bd5.png, it's more obvious when you're watching since it happens every few frames.
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They must be some kind of film related artifact.
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2001 : The BD (or HD DVD in this case) look perfectly fine for 1967... the amount EE on the 1080i version is not tolarable imho..

89+ Blu-ray Disc ;)
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It doesn't look perfectly fine if you take into account that 2001 is a 70mm film. The detail in this "new" version is more like 35mm that was scanned 10 years ago, and then softened and EEed. I mean, where is the fine film-like detail? Grand Prix and even Robin Hood blow it out of the water.

I hope Lawrence of Arabia gets better treatment.
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2001 ASO

The HDNet looks sharper than the HDM version. The background detailing and textures look sharp in the HDNet version. Pretty disappointed guys.

Kram, Please let us know if this is because of DNR.

The Shining

HDM version is clearly better.

Blu-ray : 340
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They actually have about the same amount of detail. It's just that the HDNet version is so loaded with EE that those details stick out more. You can see this if you take any of the BRD captures and apply some sharpening:



This is kind of similar to the comparison of the broadcast and the really soft first release of The Fifth Element on BRD. Some percieved the broadcast version to be superior in detail but all it had over the BRD was EE.

IMO, the HDM version of 2001 has better colors than the HDNet broadcast but has nowhere near the amount of detail this film has to offer. Not even close to being reference quality either.
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It doesn't look perfectly fine if you take into account that 2001 is a 70mm film. The detail in this "new" version is more like 35mm that was scanned 10 years ago, and then softened and EEed. I mean, where is the fine film-like detail? Grand Prix and even Robin Hood blow it out of the water.

I hope Lawrence of Arabia gets better treatment.

Considering the respective studios involved, I would expect it will.
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