So we have had many posts recently attempting to smear Blu-ray BD-50s again. Here are the latest actual facts:
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Originally Posted by videobusiness /forum/post/0
MAY 16 | Replication company Sony DADC U.S. has shipped 2.5 million 50GB Blu-ray discs since it began production last fall, the company said Wednesday.
Because of increasing strength in the format, Sony DADC is ramping up its Blu-ray production capabilities and expects to achieve an annual capacity of more than 30 million discs by this fall.
In unit sales, the Blu-ray format, including both 25GB and 50GB discs, has sold about 1 million units in the U.S. through April.
Due to the high demand for the 50GB Blu-ray product, we will continue to add lines and capacity throughout the year, said Michael Mitchell, executive VP and general manager at Sony DADC.
Jim Twiggs, Sony DADC VP of strategic development, added, We are experiencing ever-increasing interest in BD50 product from all genres, markets and studios, both large and small. We have seen title planning requests that include multiple BD50 discs in one package.
The issue is that many members here are trying again to make it seem like there is going to be a shortage of BD-50s going forward. Or that BD-50 is not a real world viable format due to production difficulties.
This is not true, and not backed up by the facts.
The facts point to a future where more and more releases will be BD-50s only.
Sony will be able to replicate 30 million BD-50s per year by this fall.
yupe its from someone from sony and it says Blu-ray disk - not BD movie disk. give up oredi!! BD50 is a joke when it comes to replication and Sony is being sued for it !! We should have learnt by now that one thing that is consistent about any statement from Sony is that they are misleading 'lies'.
Really? Can you expand upon that and show us the data which shows how the 50GB discs are split up between gaming and movies? Clearly, you must have this data to make such a claim as fact, yes?
The point of the thread is that some people around here were claiming that 50GB discs are hard to produce, or cost too much to produce and therefore less are made. That FUD is now dead.
Also to this point NONE of the game discs use 50GB, so your assertion is using poor logic. A common theme among HD-DVD fud spreaders as of late.
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Originally Posted by Dot50Cal /forum/post/0
Really? Can you expand upon that and show us the data which shows how the 50GB discs are split up between gaming and movies? Clearly, you must have this data to make such a claim as fact, yes?
The point of the thread is that some people around here were claiming that 50GB discs are hard to produce, or cost too much to produce and therefore less are made. That FUD is now dead.
Also to this point NONE of the game discs use 50GB, so your assertion is using poor logic. A common theme among HD-DVD fud spreaders as of late.
As I said in the other thread - there are far more BD50 being produced than HD30.
Just look at the 500,000 free BD50 Casino Royal copies for European PS3 owners (including me). That alone is half of the total sum of sold HD-DVDs. To add to this a VERY conservative guess is that 80% of all BD discs sold are BD50 - as almost any single big seller comes on such a disc. That alone would account for almost 1,000,000 sold BD50 movie discs.
I'm really amazed about the adoption and market penetration rate of BD50 - especially since I avoid buying single layer discs (as well as HD-DVD combos) like the plague.
How many HD-DVD discs have been manufactured globally? If you can't answer with evidence to back it up, then please change the thread title.
All that has been made public is that IN THE US over a million HD-DVD's have been sold. Sold is not the same as shipped, so how many have been manufactured/shipped? Then were are also talking about the US only. How many HD-DVD's have been made/shipped/sold internationally? Sony DADC is saying they have made 2.5 million BD50's, which is a global number.
Why don't you try to make an apples to apples comparison, instead of just spreading more BD FUD. We have enough of that already...
I agree the thread titles assertion seems to come out of nowhere, but truthfully I don't think it's the "greater than HD DVD" aspect that calls attention here, but rather the BD50 rep count up until now, and the (inclusive) replication capacity they're looking to achieve before years end.
One doesn't have to search for long to find a number of threads - in an oft repeated manner - that 'wonder' aloud about the barriers faced by BD in BD50 replication. You can view it as BD FUD if you like, but I think the majority of us view it as an assertion that will help curtail HD FUD, unless folk here are actively prepared to doubt the stated replication numbers out of Sony DADC (which I don't put past anyone here mind you).
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Originally Posted by xbdestroya /forum/post/0
I agree the thread titles assertion seems to come out of nowhere, but truthfully I don't think it's the "greater than HD DVD" aspect that calls attention here, but rather the BD50 rep count up until now, and the (inclusive) replication capacity they're looking to achieve before years end.
One doesn't have to search for long to find a number of threads - in an oft repeated manner - that 'wonder' aloud about the barriers faced by BD in BD50 replication. You can view it as BD FUD if you like, but I think the majority of us view it as an assertion that will help curtail HD FUD, unless folk here are actively prepared to doubt the stated replication numbers out of Sony DADC (which I don't put past anyone here mind you).
Are you really saying 2.5 million BD50's is a great milestone? BD replication lines went online in May 2006 (true they weren't making BD50 then). So in about 12 months, 2.5 million BD50's have been made. So that's about 208k discs per month on average? Is that really a volume to brag about? Or the first BD50 discs hit around when, November? Which means they probably started pressing them in September sometime, so that's 9 months. So that is 278k BD50's per month. Is that still the kind of number to brag about?
DVD pumps out around 50 million discs a month, with around 35 million of them being dual-layered (and HD-DVD is made on DVD lines, so all DVD capacity could be HD DVD capacity with little to no change). So BD would need to increase its BD50 capacity about 125X its current level to be able to manufacture dual layer discs and the rate DVD (HD DVD) is capable.
I don't see this news as anything but confirmation that BD50 replication is anything but a trickle. 278k discs per month averaged over 10-15 BD replication lines means that the BD50 output per line is miniscule at best. To put that in perspective, a DVD line can do 30,000+ dual layer discs per day, which is more than BD50's average monthly output per line. For output to be so low, I would say there are definately barriers still in place (either some technical barrier, cost barrier, or simple lack of demand for BD50 discs).
What I'm saying is, that you often hear folk make insinuations that are designed to convey a feeling of Blu-ray along the lines of "No BD50's here!" Rdjam's recent thread comes to mind. If you're asking me if these numbers are some sort of epic milestone, no - I don't think they are. If you are asking me if I feel these numbers are reflective of production capacity that is up to the task of meeting present-day replication demand, and ensuring that the majority of new releases come out on BD50, then yes I do.
And that's what I think is relevant in all this, not the PR aspects which drive some people up a wall.
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Originally Posted by xbdestroya /forum/post/0
What I'm saying is, that you often hear folk make insinuations that are designed to convey a feeling of Blu-ray along the lines of "No BD50's here!" Rdjam's recent thread comes to mind. If you're asking me if these numbers are some sort of epic milestone, no - I don't think they are. If you are asking me if I feel these numbers are reflective of production capacity that is up to the task of meeting present-day replication demand, and ensuring that the majority of new releases come out on BD50, then yes I do.
And that's what I think is relevant in all this, not the PR aspects which drive some people up a wall.
Well, as long as you keep in mind that for BD to completely replace DVD, they will need to build over 1300 additional replication lines to match DVD volume.
I'll agree that the current capacity may be enough to meet today's demand, but only because today's demand for BD50 is so small.
Wnorris you seem absolutely committed to adding qualifiers and such to each reply of yours pertaining to this story... to make sure I guess that no one gets too excited or anything.
Believe me, I'm well aware of the market position Blu-ray is in, and no it's not anything to write home about. That said though, when you comment that the capacity is only enough due to the small demand for the format, I hope you reflect a little as well and realize that all the same, that demand is twice as great as for the "other" high-def format.
This and other evidence continues the refutation of the arguments from HD DVD supporters.
1. BD50 was asserted to be unlikely or impossible. One key HD DVD supporter said that it violated "the laws of physics" for example, and there were many posts contending that yields would never be commercial, the disks would not be reliable, etc.
Not only is this not true but BD50's disk structure seems more reliable than the combo disk structure of HD DVD disks, if you believe the many reports about Universal titles like Children of Men and the responses from Universal and Toshiba. While I am sure they will straighten this out, it is ironic that HD DVD has had more issues of reliablity in disk structure than Blu-ray.
2. The second claim was that 50GB was just too much space. The perfect size for a nextgen disk was, of course, 30GB. [25GB was too small.
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This second claim also appears to be refuted by the observation that BD50 is being used by many content providers. Apparently the extra disk space is appreciated after all. Sony says that they are seeing a lot of new projects coming forward to use BD50.
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