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post #481 of 2370 Old 06-18-2007, 07:21 AM
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What will you think of Netflix if they follow Blockbuster? I think at some point this year it's a strong possibility.

No chance - but Blockbuster's only hope is that people start a rumour on it.

Netflix is the way to go. They are fair-minded and CARE what their customers want to rent. I think what BB has shown is that they are potentially open to "persuasion" in terms of what they decide their customer must want...
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Ok, why would you want it to be 50/50? Wouldn't you rather there just be 1 format so they don't kill each other off?

I think the answer to that question is clear.
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HD DVD sales continue to make gains, so it won't stay at 30%. In fact, it could well be 50/50 again this year.

Can you point to some of these gains? Because here's what I see:

Date Week YTD SI

05/06 60/40 68/32 57/43
05/13 62/38 68/32 57/43
05/20 58/42 67/33 57/43
05/27 69/31 67/33 58/42
06/03 61/39 67/33 59/41
06/03 66/34 67/33 59/41
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From a Floridian? (I live near Ft. Lauderdale). Your statement is just anti-Sony. It is a great move for BB. It puts them on the forefront of the new HD media that is earmaked to replace DVD (if that is possible)

Today . . . 6/18/07 . . . BD has outsold HD DVD:

1. Players
2. Disc Sales
3. Disc Rentals

Yes everyone maybe rooting for the underdog but that doesn't mean he will win. He usually doesn't.

So Ken G. from Universal has know about this since yesterday around 9:00 PM when the story broke and he was quoted as to it's importance. It is 13 hours later and not a peep from the HD DVD Forum.

The market share for disk sales seems to have stabilized lately at 35-40% of the overall HD market for HD DVD. So not wanting 40% of the market seems kind of strange...

In the end this will hurt Blockbuster since people will take their business elsewhere. DVD adoption wasn't hurt by Blockbuster sticking with VHS. Poor management, poor decisions. It isn't about BD being ahead of HD DVD, it's about shutting out customers - no business would want to lose 30% of their customers. Simple as that!
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I also would not be surprised to see Blockbuster and Sony make some sort of deal where the new Sony Blu-ray player will be offered for sale in the Blockbuster stores with an incentive of x amount of free rentals. Just a prediction

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HD DVD sales continue to make gains, so it won't stay at 30%. In fact, it could well be 50/50 again this year.

Umm....how on earth can you come to that conclusion? What possible scenario could play out for that to happen? Ok, maybe a $99 HD-DVD player would do the trick.
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The market share for disk sales seems to have stabilized lately at 35-40% of the overall HD market for HD DVD. So not wanting 40% of the market seems kind of strange...

In the end this will hurt Blockbuster since people will take their business elsewhere. DVD adoption wasn't hurt by Blockbuster sticking with VHS. Poor management, poor decisions. It isn't about BD being ahead of HD DVD, it's about shutting out customers - no business would want to lose 30% of their customers. Simple as that!

So what do you think of Universal? They have to be the biggest idiots to support the 35-40% and totally ignore the other format, right?
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I think this announcement is really going to hurt new HD DVD player sales.

I just finished buying my third and last HD-DVD player. I bought an HD-A1, then an HD-XA2, and sold both and now have the HD-A2 which I got for $237 I am happy with the price and the speed of this player since I've watched about 15 movies fully on it so far and with the latest firmware I have not seen one glitch yet. Toshiba got it right with this latest A2 and latest firmware However I have maintained that I will buy the best movie regardless of format. I have bought Coming to America on HD-DVD because it is of better quality than the Blu-Ray version. I bought The Matrix on HD-DVD since it won't appear on Blu-Ray for who knows when. And ofcourse King Kong since Universal hasn't gone neutral. And I will buy Heroes once it comes out on HD-DVD. I am hapy with my A2 purchase and it will not be a waste even if HD-DVD loses this format war.. In fact, I had a beta-max for years after it was defeated and used it many times for watching movies and recordings..

However I am a realist and can easily see this move by Blockbuster is going to cause a "Domino" effect that other large popular retailers will take notice with and for sure some will try and get the same deal with Sony...
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Wasn't it you would stated matter-of-factly that downloads are in our future:



And of course, when challenged as to why it would happen, you said:



Are you saying you are flat out wrong?

You must be kidding. These are two entirely different issues.

Optical media is on it's last legs, but which one wins the war, if anyone, remains to be seen.

HD downloads, on the other hand, are inevitable.

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Hmmm I think it's time to get a PS3

There's no way I'm buying a PS3!!!


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I hope this announcement from Blockbuster causes a cascade of similar announcements from others. Anything that will end this silly format war sooner rather than later is a good thing.

I'll be renting blu-ray disks from BB once they have them available.
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No chance - but Blockbuster's only hope is that people start a rumour on it.

Netflix is the way to go. They are fair-minded and CARE what their customers want to rent. I think what BB has shown is that they are potentially open to "persuasion" in terms of what they decide their customer must want...

So every time a company picks BD, it's "ignoring" what customers want, despite the 2:1 sales ratio, and when they hold on to a product that cannot grow its marketshare despite establishing themselves with numerous loss-leading hardware products it's being "customer friendly"?

Whatever.

I see there is a Chinese Blu-ray player coming too...the final battle for Middle Earth (in HD) has begun...

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From a Floridian? (I live near Ft. Lauderdale). Your statement is just anti-Sony.

I really don't see how you could rationally claim that. My statement was clearly anti-Blockbuster. I do suspect that it will come out that they (BB) took special incentives (either financially or contractually) to make this premature and anti-consumer decision.

Sorry you are so sensitive that it is anti-Sony... The Sony Defense League awaits...
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Can you point to some of these gains? Because here's what I see:

Date Week YTD SI

05/06 60/40 68/32 57/43
05/13 62/38 68/32 57/43
05/20 58/42 67/33 57/43
05/27 69/31 67/33 58/42
06/03 61/39 67/33 59/41
06/03 66/34 67/33 59/41

If anything you're seeing HD DVD doing better than 30% market share for every week! Including the week where BD had 3 big releases - PoTC 1, PoTC2 and Apocalypto, v. The Matrix box set for HD DVD (where the 3 BD titles combined cost the same as 1 Matrix box set and each box set counted as one sale v. 3 sales for each BD title). In $ terms both formats are remarkably close....
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And I'm in Miami too and we already have a massive amount of Blu-Ray's available at the 137th Ave and 88th St Blockbuster The blockbuster closest to my house does not carry Blu-Ray yet however I have spoken to the Manager in charge and she says that by Christmas, she will take the plunge as well and stock up on Blu-Ray in-store since she recently got into HD and bought a Blu-Ray player. Apparently these talks have been going on for quite awhile...

I live in Tamarac (BB store - no HDD) but the Coral Springs BB does carry HDD and guess what? Yep - mucho more BD than HD DVD.

Please . . I ask all of you to look at the big picture. Not the small world that you live in.

Be a macro thinker as opposed to a micro thinker. Think as if you were the CEO of a multi-billion dollar company as opposed to the owner of a corner lemmonade stand.

Put your brand loyalty aside for a moment. Have you read my posts? I am an HD DVD owner. But I have also spent almost 30 years working with Fortune 500 companies and you know what? The bottom line . . that is what matters. That is ALL that matters.

If you are going to quote a "fact" then back it up with a link if such a link has not been provided already. Your opinion is just that . . your opinion . . . nothing more. Try not to twist your opinion into a fact. It won't work here. Too much FUD floating around.
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If anything you're seeing HD DVD doing better than 30% market share for every week! Including the week where BD had 3 big releases - PoTC 1, PoTC2 and Apocalypto, v. The Matrix box set for HD DVD (where the 3 BD titles combined cost the same as 1 Matrix box set and each box set counted as one sale v. 3 sales for each BD title). In $ terms both formats are remarkably close....

Stunning.
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And I'm in Miami too and we already have a massive amount of Blu-Ray's available at the 137th Ave and 88th St Blockbuster The blockbuster closest to my house does not carry Blu-Ray yet however I have spoken to the Manager in charge and she says that by Christmas, she will take the plunge as well and stock up on Blu-Ray in-store since she recently got into HD and bought a Blu-Ray player. Apparently these talks have been going on for quite awhile...

I use that Blockbuster ALL the time, and there are the same space for each format.

Or should I say, USED TO use...
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Shelf space for Blu-Ray is already 3 to 1 the size of HD-DVD at my Best Buy in Miami. To the average onlooker, you can clearly see that Blu-Ray has more titles and this trend will continue unless Universal suddenly releases a much larger majority of their catalog titles.


I didn't mean shelf space of BR vs. HD DVD. I mean shelf space in the store for BR> Product placement vs. SD DVD.
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msft is making a bad situation worse by pushing downloads. this creates more and more enemies: blockbuster, wall mart, best buy, circuit city. all these company are better off with next gen optical successful.
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If anything you're seeing HD DVD doing better than 30% market share for every week! Including the week where BD had 3 big releases - PoTC 1, PoTC2 and Apocalypto, v. The Matrix box set for HD DVD (where the 3 BD titles combined cost the same as 1 Matrix box set and each box set counted as one sale v. 3 sales for each BD title). In $ terms both formats are remarkably close....

????

I never said that HD DVD was doing 30% or worse in terms of weekly sales - what I did was challenge RDjam's claim of 'improvement,' and your post does nothing to address that. Matrix is a singularly bad example as well, since after its first week of sales, it's basically dropped off the map.
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So every time a company picks BD, it's "ignoring" what customers want, despite the 2:1 sales ratio, and when they hold on to a product that cannot grow its marketshare despite establishing themselves with numerous loss-leading hardware products it's being "customer friendly"?

Whatever.

I see there is a Chinese Blu-ray player coming too...the final battle for Middle Earth (in HD) has begun...

Are you implying that HD DVD has more loss leading hardware than the BDA? Are you completely brainwashed

Also how does 25GB and 50GB BD disks cost the same? At least for HD DVD combo disks cost $5 more? Magic!
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If anything you're seeing HD DVD doing better than 30% market share for every week! Including the week where BD had 3 big releases - PoTC 1, PoTC2 and Apocalypto, v. The Matrix box set for HD DVD (where the 3 BD titles combined cost the same as 1 Matrix box set and each box set counted as one sale v. 3 sales for each BD title). In $ terms both formats are remarkably close....

I see it differerntly than you do I guess. Since May 3rd BD has gained 6%.
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Are you implying that HD DVD has more loss leading hardware than the BDA? Are you completely brainwashed

Also how does 25GB and 50GB BD disks cost the same? At least for HD DVD combo disks cost $5 more? Magic!

I asked you a simple question. Do you support Universal being exclusive when the majority of the market is going Blu-ray?
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Nope dude, DVD is going to go bye bye in 2 years. We will see less than $200 HD-DVD and Bluray Players by this time next year. By Christmas 2008, they will be less than $150....thats a mainstream price. HD-DVD will be dead by 2009....so most of these will be bluray players....also by that time HDTV will be in alot more homes. Its all going to come into its own in about 2 to 3 years.

Man things are moving so fast now!

RIP HD-DVD...you had a cool name....

Maybe you aren't aware that DVD wasn't declared the replacement over VHS for six years from introduction, and DVD was a dramatic improvement over VHS.

HD formats are an "incremental" improvement to most consumers. There's no way people are going to go from buying their $9 discount bin DVDs to buying $25 HD movies in just two years.
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Blockbuster Favors Blu-Ray DVDs to HD DVD

Blockbuster says Blu-ray has proven to be more popular with its customers than HD DVD.

Monday, June 18, 2007 6:00 AM PDT

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Blockbuster Inc. on Monday put its weight behind Sony Corp.'s Blu-ray DVD format, as the No. 1 video rental chain said it would boost its inventory of the high-definition discs to 1,700 stores by mid-July.

Blockbuster said Blu-ray has proven to be more popular with its customers than HD DVD, the competing high-definition format. The company will continue to offer both Blu-ray and rival HD-DVD titles through its online rental service.

Of some 8,000 stores worldwide, about 250 of them carry both formats, and Blu-ray rentals are "significantly outpacing HD DVD rentals," the company said in a statement.

Blockbuster rivals such as Movie Gallery Inc. and online rental company Netflix Inc. also offer both Blu-ray and HD DVD formats.

Blu-ray's high-definition digital technology, backed by Sony Corp., offers crisper pictures and more room for special features than current DVDs. The format competes with HD-DVD, which is backed by Toshiba Corp. and offers somewhat lower storage capacity, but claims cheaper production of players, burners and discs.

Measured in the number of players, Blu-ray is already well ahead of HD DVD because Sony's PlayStation 3 video game console comes with a built-in Blu-ray player.

Hollywood and electronics manufacturers hope new high-definition DVDs, with better picture quality and more capacity, will rejuvenate the slowing $24 billion home DVD market.

But the war between HD DVD and Blu-ray -- also supported by companies such as Samsung, Philips, Matsushita, Apple and Dell -- has curbed adoption of the new formats, amid fears that some consumers will end up with an obsolete player.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,13...y/article.html
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????

I never said that HD DVD was doing 30% or worse in terms of weekly sales - what I did was challenge RDjam's claim of 'improvement,' and your post does nothing to address that. Matrix is a singularly bad example as well, since after its first week of sales, it's basically dropped off the map.

I mentioned the Matrix since that is the only week where the ratio went beyond 2:1. Other than that the ratios were closer to 1.5:1. So that is a clear improvement of what we saw in Q1 of this year. We are NOT seeing BD eat away at HD DVD market share as many predicted....it appears to have stabilized.

And yes, the Matrix is too expensive for a catalog box set where bundling hurt the unit sales, but helped revenue...
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You must be kidding. These are two entirely different issues.

Optical media is on it's last legs, but which one wins the war, if anyone, remains to be seen.

HD downloads, on the other hand, are inevitable.

HD downloads are inevitable, however I don't see the optical format ever completly going away as long as there are people like me who want to have the movie sitting on a shelf with nice box-art and knowing all I have to do is put it in a player and hit play. The rental companies as well will not allow it to go away either as long as consumers keep going to them. Downloadable content is already here in the form of Video on Demand and it is blocky, compressed, and not something any Audio and Video enthusiast would put up with for long if something better on an optical media did not exist...
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I also would not be surprised to see Blockbuster and Sony make some sort of deal where the new Sony Blu-ray player will be offered for sale in the Blockbuster stores with an incentive of x amount of free rentals. Just a prediction

~Josh

That's pretty much what I have implied.

I feel that BB has taken an incentive here, as Sony needed this more than BB.

BB has potentially thrown some of their customers under the bus in return for a market advantage of some sort.

If so, one might expect to see some exclusive releases in Blockbuster from various Sony Pictures-related studios, or some favourable pricing or contract terms.

Yep - and maybe a player or two in stores...
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Actual Blockbuster Press release link below;

http://www.b2i.us/profiles/investor/...&Category=1027
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