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post #91 of 1560 Old 08-29-2007, 10:27 AM
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I found this comment on the Insiders Thread from the other day interesting. Amir suggests the notion of going all combo after HD DVD reaches about 20% the market size of DVD.

Getting to 20% easy!? Isn't the combined penetration of HDM hovering between a ghastly 3%-5% combined?
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My understanding is the HD DVD can support seamless branching but bandwidth considerations must be made at the point of the seamless branch to be able to accomodate such a switch. i.e. the video bitrate needs to be on the low end where the seemless branch is occuring to accomodate all possible branches while keeping the data buffered ahead of time to give you the seamless experience. This is one area where Blu-Ray does benefit from higher bandwidth capacity. If the TL51 dics do become a reality, it is rumored that Toshiba will increase the bandwidth as when/if they are introduced.

Makes sense - thank you for the response.

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My understanding is the HD DVD can support seamless branching but bandwidth considerations must be made at the point of the seamless branch to be able to accomodate such a switch. i.e. the video bitrate needs to be on the low end where the seemless branch is occuring to accomodate all possible branches while keeping the data buffered ahead of time to give you the seamless experience. This is one area where Blu-Ray does benefit from higher bandwidth capacity. If the TL51 dics do become a reality, it is rumored that Toshiba will increase the bandwidth as when/if they are introduced.

You're absolutely right about this, my point about this is that it can't possibly seamless when you as the movie watcher have to instruct the movie how to proceed. There is no possible way that it can be truly "seamless"
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Please take the following as a rumour, this is a I was told situation so we'll see.

My brother works for a distributor for hardware and software and they had a meeting to take on a cheap brand dvd player company under distribution. In the meeting the company discussed one of their products this Xmas as being a Blu-ray Player. No price has been set yet. No specs yet either.

I wonder if this player could be a match for HD-DVD's cheap players?
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You're absolutely right about this, my point about this is that it can't possibly seamless when you as the movie watcher have to instruct the movie how to proceed. There is no possible way that it can be truly "seamless"

Seamless branching isn't a new technology, because some DVDs (Terminator 2, Independence Day, The Lion King, ...) are already using it. On those discs you select the version of the movie you want to see at the beginning and then the selected version will play. At the branching points the player switches to the correct versions of the follwing scene, according to the selected movie version.
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Just spoke with my contact at WB and she confirms that "Return to House on Haunted Hill" will show a more complete version for Blu-ray (seamless branching). Look for this release to favor the Blu-ray version vs. the HD-DVD version.

All of this on the heels of Nickerson's departure from WB. I wonder what's cooking

Also she says to expect to see "Batman Begins" in November and possibly a new release (new encode/special features) on "300" on Blu-ray.

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FWIW, I was able to confirm most of this with WB, though we didn't discuss the seamless branching nor specific release dates (which would be in pencil anyway) for Batman or 300.

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FWIW, I was able to confirm most of this with WB, though we didn't discuss the seamless branching nor specific release dates (which would be in pencil anyway) for Batman or 300.

I bet if you called Paramount a week ago they would of told you, "Yup, Blades of Glory coming next Tuesday to Blu-Ray!"
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I know there is the rumor of HD-DVD/SD combos being the only option soon. If that's so, what is to stop Blu-Ray from following the same format? Could the DVD Forum take away the right for SD to be placed on Blu-Ray?

I mean, if you really wanted to end a war, making consumers have to buy your product and not have another alternative seems the way to go.
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Seamless branching isn't a new technology, because some DVDs (Terminator 2, Independence Day, The Lion King, ...) are already using it. On those discs you select the version of the movie you want to see at the beginning and then the selected version will play. At the branching points the player switches to the correct versions of the follwing scene, according to the selected movie version.

I absolutely understand this, and that would work fine if at the beginning of the movie you select everyone dies, or everyone lives, etc. But the idea of this movie is that you make selections as the movie progresses, therefore it would be next to impossible to be seamless.
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I know there is the rumor of HD-DVD/SD combos being the only option soon. If that's so, what is to stop Blu-Ray from following the same format? Could the DVD Forum take away the right for SD to be placed on Blu-Ray?

I mean, if you really wanted to end a war, making consumers have to buy your product and not have another alternative seems the way to go.

If they can, can they stop Blu Ray from packing the DVD in the same case? In other words, a 2 disc solution.
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If they can, can they stop Blu Ray from packing the DVD in the same case? In other words, a 2 disc solution.

2 disc solution would never happen. You buy the disc. Remove the SD version. Sell the BR version. Studios hate that.
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2 disc solution would never happen. You buy the disc. Remove the SD version. Sell the BR version. Studios hate that.

Would the same happen with a pan and scan vs. a widescreen? I have several boxes with both in there on separate discs.
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I bet if you called Paramount a week ago they would of told you, "Yup, Blades of Glory coming next Tuesday to Blu-Ray!"

Precisely why I am surprised at the uproar when release announcements are not met. Been this way since the beginning of the entertainment industry. I'm the only one who doesn't take this stuff as gospel.

PS.. a lot of off-topic and inflammatory posts have been removed. Rumors and the discussion of those rumors is the topic of this thread. Stick to that, please.

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That's how any industry is... My company got bought out by a competitor last year. I heard a rumor about it on a thrusday afternoon, inquired about it and was told there was no possible way. The annoucement was made Monday morning. No one saw it coming and we are a global company. Which is why I say never believe ANYTHING you hear.

The suits and share holders won't say anything because a) They'll get their asses in some serious hot water for potential insider trading and b) they want all the pee-on employee's to continue doing their jobs as normal.

That said, I'm not getting my hopes up that WB will go exclusive, but I certainly would welcome it. The IFA press conference and them "saying" they're staying put doesn't really mean diddly squat to me at all.

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2 disc solution would never happen. You buy the disc. Remove the SD version. Sell the BR version. Studios hate that.

So if Warner can make a TotalHD, then surely the same concept could be applied to a Blu Ray + DVD.
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So if Warner can make a TotalHD, then surely the same concept could be applied to a Blu Ray + DVD.

I would think so, except no one is shipping TotalHD. The next issue comes down to whether it will ever be able to support BD-50 or if it will be relegated to just BD-25.
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I would think so, except no one is shipping TotalHD. The next issue comes down to whether it will ever be able to support BD-50 or if it will be relegated to just BD-25.

I'll betcha Warner isn't as keen on Total HD as they were when Paramount/Dreamworks were neutral, my guess is it gets scrapped if it comes down to them being it's sole support.
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I'll betcha Warner isn't as keen on Total HD as they were when Paramount/Dreamworks were neutral, my guess is it gets scrapped if it comes down to them being it's sole support.

Good point. Is Warner really planning to build their own replication gear, or were they going to work with someone like Singulus to produce it?

Either way, it seems like a big capital investment to make a product that only has one significant customer (Warner). I suspect that you're right and it won't see the light of day, unless a bunch of studios decide to go neutral.
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RUMOR: (I guess?? lol)

Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, on HD DVD only, as posted on USA Today.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/...oad-side_N.htm

Could be a misprint, or slipped information before the actual announcement, one thing to keep in mind, if true, it wouldnt be the first Warner title to skip BD release.

Unless WB goes HD DVD exclusive at cedia I think this is a misprint. I think gone are the days where HD DVD gets big tittles that BD doesnt from WB. There are some things which point to me being wrong however...
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Good point. Is Warner really planning to build their own replication gear, or were they going to work with someone like Singulus to produce it?

Either way, it seems like a big capital investment to make a product that only has one significant customer (Warner). I suspect that you're right and it won't see the light of day, unless a bunch of studios decide to go neutral.

Well, also consider that both formats have lower yields than DVD, now glue'em both together a hope for the best. It sounds like a recall nightmare to me.

I would seem DF players are a lot more simple answer.
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Unless WB goes HD DVD exclusive at cedia I think this is a misprint. I think gone are the days where HD DVD gets big tittles that BD doesnt from WB. There are some things which point to me being wrong however...

Looks to be a misprint. Someone claiming to be the writer of the story registered and apologized for the mistake in the HD software thread.
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So if Warner can make a TotalHD, then surely the same concept could be applied to a Blu Ray + DVD.

Actually, I don't think that the BD25/DVD9 disc has ever made it out of the concept/spec stage. Probably just a matter of resources, focus on improving BD50 yields, not a "transition" product (at best). Even Sony has to pick and choose where to spend $.
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Studio Canal has revealed an upcoming Blu-ray boxset for the three 'Les Bronzes' films, making it the first Blu-ray release to come from the formally HD DVD exclusive studio. The Studio Canal library is very extensive, as they distribute titles for many of the major studios. No release date specs have been released at this time.



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Josh:

The thread was locked because Studio Canal never was an HD DVD exclusive.

Nice try though

Dr. Don's post that locked the thread:

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Sisko wins the thread. And ends it. SC was never exclusive to start with. This gray-area stuff is gonna creep up all over.

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"Studio Canal Now Supporting Blu-ray!!"

Why is this a Rumor?

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Studio Canal Now Supporting Blu-ray!!
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Warner Brothers now supporting HD DVD!!
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Rumor Squashed? - No BD All Profile Compliant Player(s)

Daewoo Announces All Profile Compliant BD Player - DBP-1000

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The player supports the full BD specification, including the ability to access BD Live online content, to present picture-in-picture material and deliver BD's interactivity features - missing on many early BD players because the specification had yet to be completed.

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Daewoo didn't say when the DBP-1000 will go on sale, or what it's likely to cost

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/08...daewoo_bluray/
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Lee, what part is squashed? The release date or the profile? Not doubting you, just looking for clarification. Thanks.

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Lee, what part is squashed? The release date or the profile? Not doubting you, just looking for clarification. Thanks.

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Many were saying that there was not going to be any all profile BD players this year. Daewoo just announced their first entry will be compliant. We have to assume it will come out this year because there are already BD movies that have street dates with 1.1 and 2.0 features in them.

What good is a movie with features and no player to play it on?
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Rumor Squashed? - No BD All Profile Compliant Player(s)

Daewoo Announces All Profile Compliant BD Player - DBP-1000

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/08...daewoo_bluray/

Don't you kind of need a date for this to mean anything? It would surprise me if daewoo got there first, but who knows.
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