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Masses? Masses of 200k HD-DVD onwers?

No... the masses that currently still purchase DVD. That's the target audience. It's up to each studio to determine which format they think will best reach that as-yet untapped resource. We know what Paramount decided. Warner might go blu. But I'd be surprised.
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Oh dear!

I have just received some troubling news in regards to Warner Bros and the format war.

All I can say is that something has happened in the last 24hrs hours which may change a lot of things.

More to come soon!

Just ban him now. The more he types, the more he convinces me that he was the one who started the crap on BluRay.com

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Ok as some already know I am very VERY pro-HDDVD but I just want to respond to this post:

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Still in denial I see. The fact is that it is Blu-ray that is still waiting for that 'elusive magic bullet' to kill HD DVD, but that bullet is nothing more than a figment of one's imagination. Keep in mind:

Blu-ray has lost major studio support since inception The Paramount decision was as major as it seems. However so far it's only been a minor blip but that will change soon
Blu-ray has lost exclusive CE support since inception with LG/SamsungLG was never exclusive to begin with and it HD-DVD implementation was a mess, however Samsung was
Blu-ray attach rates are still abysmal overall true
Blu-ray is incapable of killing HD DVD, and is in fact taking a huge beating the tide can still change
Blu-ray's software sales lead is diminishing not true!
Blu-ray still trails behind HD DVD standalone sales depends in which geographic region your talking about
Blu-ray's entry price is still roughly twice the price of HD DVD BD doesnt offer a budget 1080i alternative, whereas HD-DVD does, its not a FAIR comparison
Blu-ray profile issues are still a mess They are finalised but they are dragging their feet implementing it
Blu-ray has failed to demonstrate superior PQ and AQ over HD DVD true

HD DVD has gained exclusive studio support since inception Same for BD
HD DVD has gained exclusive CE support with Onkyo/Integra/Venturer Onkyo may not be as exclusive as you think, Integra doesn't have the mainstream recognition and Venturer is relatively unknown outside North America
HD DVD attach rates are up to 7 times better than BD true!
HD DVD has gained tremendous momentum since inception while BD has faltered They are both getting stagnant IMHO
HD DVD software sales are steadily increasing and is closing the gap with BD sadly disagree with you on that one
HD DVD's entry price is still about half that of BD not a fair comparison, BD doesnt offer a 1080i budget version. The 1080p HD players are more closer in price to the BD offerings
HD DVD has been a feature complete spec since day one most true, although I am very IFFY on TL51, so far it's the only complaint my company has
HD DVD produces top-rated PQ and AQ that at times exceeds the BD counterpart Early BD titles most definately yes, at the moment they are pretty much equal

Etc., etc., etc., ...


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Just ban him now. The more he types, the more he convinces me that he was the one who started the crap on BluRay.com

My friend I can assure you I had nothing to do with it. The only reason I initially posted on here was to quell the ********.

Cheers buddy nice to meet you!

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That's totally not a mutual feeling. If you can't prove your "insider" status, shut the hell up. I don't care what side of the fence you're on.

Look I don't come on here been hostile, I have no qualm with you sir.

Your right I don't wish to prove my credentials for certain reasons that I've outlined previously.

I am sincerely sorry if that and what I have said is a problem for you.

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If you can't prove your "insider" status, shut the hell up.

Actually, we haven't even got to the part about proving insider status yet. Insider or not, if you don't have anything of value to say, shut the hell up. More to come later? BS. If that was true, he'd have just waited until later when he actually had something to say. I know some people are upset about yesterday's prank, and yes it was dumb, and yes it shouldn't have happened. But transparent attempts at retaliation aren't helping.
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Actually, we haven't even got to the part about proving insider status yet. Insider or not, if you don't have anything of value to say, shut the hell up. More to come later? BS. If that was true, he'd have just waited until later when he actually had something to say. I know some people are upset about yesterday's prank, and yes it was dumb, and yes it shouldn't have happened. But transparent attempts at retaliation aren't helping.

Whoever did it really pulled a big number and I for one DO NOT condone any such mindless pranks.

I read much speculation on the BD forums that someone from here actually admitted responsibility.

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"AVS suffered some damage to its' reputation, based upon the actions of one of its' members. "

If this were a bannable offense Beatboy would have been banned long ago. He has single handedly damaged this site probably more than anyone else with the constant false rumors going on for years now. This very thread was pretty much created to curtail his rumors in every other HDM forum.
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Oh dear!

I have just received some troubling news in regards to Warner Bros and the format war.

All I can say is that something has happened in the last 24hrs hours which may change a lot of things.

More to come soon!

Okay, I'm not sure to believe you or not since you're not giving any proof for your Insider status, but anyways.

This troubling news, which format is it troubling for HD DVD or Blu Ray?
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Okay, I'm not sure to believe you or not since you're not giving any proof for your Insider status, but anyways.

This troubling news, which format is it troubling for HD DVD or Blu Ray?

I am not an insider as such, I work in film, tv and media distribution here in Australia and on do have a part in Deakins media studies program occassionaly lecturing and writing and marking the exams, therefore I am in the know on a lot of things as well as knowing certain people. So please don't refer to me as an insider because it's incorrect!

Troubling for who? well depending on who wins the AFL grand final tomorrow, Geelong or Port Adelaide go the DOCKERS!!!

So far I've been told to repeat as little as possible until told otherwise I'll leave it just at that, presently it's a developing matter and as such isn't final and nothing has been signed just yet.

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Just sad.

This thread was a GREAT idea and was running smooth up untill the last few days.

Now it's a bunch of two year olds making **** up and a bunch of three year olds crying to mommy!
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reopened for a bit

this thread is getting out of hand: please be sure to check the top post for rules for posting here
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RUMOR: HD DVD Using The Twin & Combo Format INSTEAD of seperate SD and HD versions

Ending the HDTV DVD War -- By Joseph Whip

It has been an amazing week in the world of High Definition media (HDM) on the Internet forums starting with the Paramount/Dreamworks HD-DVD exclusivity announcement. Fanboys or both red and blu persuasions have been working overdrive spinning the announcement this way and that, proclaiming that their side would be victorious. While some of the postings on sites have been amusing, some have been downright deceitful or libelous, uncalled for and beneath us as HT enthusiasts. To calls of payoffs, the Microsoft behind it all and wanting to rule the world, to Michael Bay being a savior to then being a villain to Steven Spielberg releasing only on BD and not HD, not ever and Sony being the root of all evil. People posting claiming big news which will end the war, only to disappear when nothing happens as they said it would. Ok, nevermind! All very sad really.

An example of how things can get out of hand is the announcement that Steve Nickerson a SVP at Warner Brothers was resigning. Given claims that WB was about to make some big announcement, the fanboys were all a twitter, claiming that this meant that WB was going BD exclusive as Mr. Nickerson was pro HD to no he was pro BD and this meant HD exclusivity. In reality, no one posting had a clue who Mr. Nickerson is and whether it meant anything. Maybe he just wanted to spend more time with his family? Guys, get a life! We will find out soon enough whether it means anything at all. Most likely, it does not.

The other main issue posted on the boards is how to end the war. Swanni has even chimed in on three ways that BD can win the war. Maybe so, but at this point, it seems to me that there is only one side that can end the war quickly, and that is HD not BD. The best that BD can hope is to win a war of attrition that will last a couple more years and hope to gain such an edge on software sales to force the hands of the HD exclusive or neutral studios to give up the ghost. On the other hand, HD has the combo and dual disc hand to play, one which BD has not. The combo disc is a flipper, having HD on one side and SD on the other. The dual disc does the same but does not require flipping the disc over. Some HD owners hate the idea of combos, mostly due to the added cost, making, in the case of WB, the BD discs being $5 cheaper than the combo, which in and of itself may explain some of the sales figures of 300 in favor of BD. I like them.

However, with Paramount now HD exclusive, it is possible that Universal, Paramount and Warners can get together and abandon DVD only releases for their films and release HD/DVD combos only. They would, of course, have to price them more like DVDs and give up their
insane HDM price points. I would suggest a $19.99 msrp. The almost immediate result will be sales of millions upon millions of HD DVD discs almost overnight. What will the Nielsen rankings look like then?
Consumers could buy the discs in confidence knowing that they will always have the DVD side. With numerous discs in the house, they would be more inclined to buy an HD player to take advantage of the much better picture and sound on the other side of the disc. With HD player approaching $199 and lower soon, HD players will reach the point of impulse buys, further fueling sales of the HD discs. The combos would also be travel friendly, as they will play on portable DVD player, laptops and car players as well. Combos are impossible for BD as the DVD Forum will not permit them. I just can't imagine families buying a BD for the house and a separate DVD of the same film for travel purposes. All of this, of course, hinges on the price of the discs. It would be impossible for Fox and Disney to resist entering such a market were it to come to pass. With Fox and Disney becoming neutral, the war would be as good as over.


I acknowledge that what I am proposing would be a bold move by the studios. However, if they want to end the war and do so quickly, it is the most logical alternative.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/2007/08...v-dvd-war.html


Thought I might revive this rumor because of the announcement that WB will no longer be using the Combo after Jan. 2008.

The TL Twin has been approved for Final Production. It was ahead of the TL51 in the approval process.

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Just sad.

This thread was a GREAT idea and was running smooth up untill the last few days.

Now it's a bunch of two year olds making **** up and a bunch of three year olds crying to mommy!

+1

This kind of discourse is what happens when the currency in this "war" isn't facts but "insider information". People like beat boy feed the fire, but he is not alone and he is not completely at fault, format players like Bill Hunt use innuendo and nameless sources to back up their opinion and allude to future developments. For crying out loud on the Blu network they took some comment from a insider there (apparently entirely innocent) and through some perverse combination of fuzzy logic and google searches come up the most convoluted piece of tortured reasoning I've seen since the grassy knoll or Roswell.

Who's fault is it? Sony and Toshiba's. although Sony does tend to make batter use of their rumor network to excite people. If these two would simply put a stop to the use of rumors to fuel the fud war the fans would level out. Fan are going to speculate anyway, but these two (Sony and Tosh) have led us all down the path of tabloids for legitimate sources of information, giving fanboys special access and allowing them to leak information is the reason this all happened. What credit would anyone have given this rumor if it hadn't already followed the template used to distribute information? None a first poster making fantastic claim would have been immediately dismissed and the moderator should have deleted it. Either they (the mods) liked the news too much to check it out or the couldn't be sure it was from a legitimated source, both prove the point of this being taken too far.

Supposed insider and their pawns used to spread/ used to leak information has gone too far and need to be reigned in, if Sony and Toshiba haven seen this though the events of last week then they will never see it.
Plenty on both side like to drop hints and encourage their side, which can be healthy to a point. But until the Adults in charge (Sony & Tosh?) set some rules for distributing information then these kind unsubstantiated 2nd or 3rd hand information will continue.

I'm not defending the prankster and I'm not saying the Blu's haven't unfairly had their chain yanked, but then again so did the HD-ers with a gut wrenching supposed revelation.
All I am saying it just that this situation exist because somebody that should have know better thought this would kind of marketing work for them. Condemn the actual perpetrators and be proud of the level headed skeptics on both sides who saw this for what it was and counseled their comrades wisely.

Just my 2 cents

To get thing more on track or the thread
Top recent rumors
TL51 compatibility?
Disney 4qt HD release?
Wal-mart's juggernaut special interest?
When will Ventura players arriving in the US and Europe?
Other cheap China dolls? (hopefully devoid of led or poison )
FF2-ROSS on time shipping?

WB's fear of commitment? (I think Warner is exactly where they want to be, they can make or break a format, they made DVD and now they are in the position to do so again. And that will give them currency for the next generation (after these) format development )
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Thought I might revive this rumor because of the announcement that WB will no longer be using the Combo after Jan. 2008.

The TL Twin has been approved for Final Production. It was ahead of the TL51 in the approval process.

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This was my guess as to the new and improved WB rumor.

As it's not even an official rumor, that's all I got to say about it is that my guess is that they want the twin for single SD/HD DVD releases.
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sometimes I think the 'Adults in Charge' [as in The Doctor's thread above] enjoy seeing the format battle being fought out in these forums:

where do these rumors come from? [rhetorical question]


This is not our battle: it is the Adults in Charge and they have the deep pockets to fight it, if they choose to continue to do so...

AVS is seriously considering eliminating this rumor thread and restricting any new rumor posts/ threads
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I think it's irresponsible of either camp to officially put out rumors that chill HD sales whenever their format hits a snag. HDM sales don't need intentional chilling they're pretty cold at room temp.
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sometimes I think the 'Adults in Charge' [as in The Doctor's thread above] enjoy seeing the format battle being fought out in these forums:

where do these rumors come from? [rhetorical question]


This is not our battle: it is the Adults in Charge and they have the deep pockets to fight it, if they choose to continue to do so...

AVS is seriously considering eliminating this rumor thread and restricting any new rumor posts/ threads

But wasn't the original intention of this thread to have some kind of proof of the rumor in question?

How many posts with rumors in them have NOT followed the Guidelines setup at the begining of this thread? IE; they provide no proof whatsoever. No links at all.

It was to my understanding . . and PLEASE correct me if I am wrong . . that a rumor with no links would be deleted by a MOD because it did not meet the specs of this thread.
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Rumors II soon:

we are reviewing the rules ...
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Thought I might revive this rumor because of the announcement that WB will no longer be using the Combo after Jan. 2008.

The TL Twin has been approved for Final Production. It was ahead of the TL51 in the approval process.

Thought? Comments?

It will be interesting to see if WB uses the TL Twin. I haven't had any problems with my combos, but I know others have. I suspect it's cheaper and more reliable to make a TL Twin vs. a Combo.

Assuming that TL Twins are closer to the price of a DL-30 (than a combo) and reliable, it will give the studios the option of a distribution/transition model that is not available with BD. Only time will tell.

Has anyone announced plans to release a TL Twin title yet?
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Chill everyone. No need to get excited here. Things will happen that are going to happen, so we can all relax. Whether they happen now or tomorrow is immaterial.

We know that one format has delivered as promised and the other is having issues, so I think we can be fairly comfortable about which direction things will eventually go, and which direction is "unfeasible" in terms of rumoured happenings.

I don't think it's a good idea to "beat up" on people here in general. You never know who or what may be behind that "user name", as top industry folks mingle freely with us ordinary users here on a pretty regular basis.

So respect is always the best idea.

God bless...
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It will be interesting to see if WB uses the TL Twin. I haven't had any problems with my combos, but I know others have. I suspect it's cheaper and more reliable to make a TL Twin vs. a Combo.

Assuming that TL Twins are closer to the price of a DL-30 (than a combo) and reliable, it will give the studios the option of a distribution/transition model that is not available with BD. Only time will tell.

Has anyone announced plans to release a TL Twin title yet?

Not yet. It only received Final Production Approval on 9/12/07 from the DVD Forum
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Rumors II soon:

we are reviewing the rules ...

That will be a shame if you close this thread. I have quite enjoyed reading some of the posts in it. As long as it isn't taken to seriously, its all a bit of fun really.
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I think you shouldn't have "insiders" who post anonymously.

Is it just me or are there more anonymous "insiders" on one side here?
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Oh dear!

I have just received some troubling news in regards to Warner Bros and the format war.

All I can say is that something has happened in the last 24hrs hours which may change a lot of things.

More to come soon!

I think this is an excellent example of the kind of post that is inappropriate on ANY forum, including a rumor thread. It is clearly designed to create disquiet -- basically a baiting post. It occurs to me as being both irresponsible and inconsiderate to the rest of the member population!
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Rumors II soon:

we are reviewing the rules ...

Maybe the thread could have the same rules as the HD News thread -- post the rumor only and take all other discussion to a secondary thread. Just a thought.

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sometimes I think the 'Adults in Charge' [as in The Doctor's thread above] enjoy seeing the format battle being fought out in these forums:

where do these rumors come from? [rhetorical question]


This is not our battle: it is the Adults in Charge and they have the deep pockets to fight it, if they choose to continue to do so...

AVS is seriously considering eliminating this rumor thread and restricting any new rumor posts/ threads

Also please take a look at the Nielsen sales thread. It has turned into nothing but another "war" thread.

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Thought I might revive this rumor because of the announcement that WB will no longer be using the Combo after Jan. 2008.

That has been found out to be false and they will continue to produce them

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Okay... Warner's PR agency just got back to us this afternoon. It's not exactly the formal statement from the studio that we'd been told to expect, but here's what they had to say:

"We understand you were looking for clarification following recent reports that WHV would be discontinuing the HD DVD combo discs. We would like to clarify that this is not the case and that WHV will continue to release combo HD DVD/DVD discs for the foreseeable future."

So there you go. Yeah... I know. That wasn't particularly informative, and it doesn't help those of you who are having trouble with Warner's Combo format discs, but there it is.

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That will be a shame if you close this thread. I have quite enjoyed reading some of the posts in it. As long as it isn't taken to seriously, its all a bit of fun really.

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But it has gotten out of control

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we are reviewing the rules ...

Best rumor in here
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