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Ding Ding Ding, We Have A Winner. Yes, this will be the big Hitachi news. It is quite an awesome camcorder too. Details in the morning

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That is awesome I've been waiting for just the right time to get an HD camcorder too. Hope the price is competitive..
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You have a link Mike? I want to actually read the article.

Thanks!

Urza, I think the response was issued at IFA:

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Toshiba promised Paramount and DreamWorks Animation “some money” to cover costs “to jointly promote” their titles, in a deal for the studios to support HD DVD and not Blu-ray, Toshiba’s top HD DVD executive told [the C, E, D] at IFA Friday. But reports that Toshiba paid the studios $150 million for their support are “totally wrong,” Yoshihide Fujii, CEO of Toshiba’s Digital Network Co., said without elaborating.

A studio would be “stupid” to accept money to back “the wrong product,” Fujii said. “Sooner or later,” Paramount and DreamWorks Animation would realize HD DVD “is the wrong product,” if that was so, and if the endorsements were based only on payments, he said. “Only because they feel this is the right product” did Paramount and DreamWorks Animation agree to back HD DVD exclusively, Fujii said. “This is a fact,” he declared.

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You have a link Mike? I want to actually read the article.

Thanks!

All I have right now is this from mikemorel:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=3433

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Toshiba promised Paramount and DreamWorks Animation “some money” to cover costs “to jointly promote” their titles, in a deal for the studios to support HD DVD and not Blu-ray, Toshiba’s top HD DVD executive told [the C, E, D] at IFA Friday. But reports that Toshiba paid the studios $150 million for their support are “totally wrong,” Yoshihide Fujii, CEO of Toshiba’s Digital Network Co., said without elaborating.

A studio would be “stupid” to accept money to back “the wrong product,” Fujii said. “Sooner or later,” Paramount and DreamWorks Animation would realize HD DVD “is the wrong product,” if that was so, and if the endorsements were based only on payments, he said. “Only because they feel this is the right product” did Paramount and DreamWorks Animation agree to back HD DVD exclusively, Fujii said. “This is a fact,” he declared.

What it sounds like to me is that Paramount came to the HD DVD PRG and said "We have decided to side with you guys and just put our movies out on your format". Toshiba then said "That's great. And to say thanks out, we'll help you promote your HD DVD movies."

So I guess the BDA Army and it's minions are going to have to find someone else to try and pin this phantom $150 million payoff on.

I swear it's going to get so bad in here one of the BD Fanboys will actually try and post that Paramount gave the money to themselves to pay themselves off for the exclusivity.
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Keep the discussion to the rumors and not the members who post them.

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Whatever happened to that article that was supposed to reveal all about the Paramount deal?
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Whatever happened to that article that was supposed to reveal all about the Paramount deal?

Dunno. But that's a discussion for one of the Paramount threads, not this one.

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Dunno. But that's a discussion for one of the Paramount threads, not this one.

It was a rumor. Mark said it should be posted here.
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Whatever happened to that article that was supposed to reveal all about the Paramount deal?

TOSHIBA PAID PARAMOUNT to support HD DVD only, but not $150 million, says Toshiba executive.

You have to scroll down to see that the article has been published, and you cannot read it unless you are already a member, but it is in existence at this point.

Sadly, most people who signed up for 30 day free trials will not be approved until the next business day, i.e., tomorrow.
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A question for everyone involved in the format war. What would it mean in this war if Paramount were to reverse their decision in the next few days or so and go back to being format neutral?

~Josh

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Are there really people who don't think money has been changing hands all over the place during this "war"? Why is this potential instance so huge?
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A question for everyone involved in the format war. What would it mean in this war if Paramount were to reverse their decision in the next few days or so and go back to being format neutral?

~Josh

It would mean that pigs can actually fly!
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A question for everyone involved in the format war. What would it mean in this war if Paramount were to reverse their decision in the next few days or so and go back to being format neutral?

~Josh

Frankly where are you coming from on this? What does it mean to you that they started out HD DVD only and went neutral? Is that evidence of a BDA payout in and of itself?
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A question for everyone involved in the format war. What would it mean in this war if Paramount were to reverse their decision in the next few days or so and go back to being format neutral?

Of course it would be a huge PR recover for BD. But why are you asking this? It seems highly (as in never going to happen) unlikely. Now if you'd said after 18 mos, 2 yrs, or whatever maybe that's a discussion worth having.

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Frankly where are you coming from on this? What does it mean to you that they started out HD DVD only and went neutral? Is that evidence of a BDA payout in and of itself?

I am just curious as to how a decision like that would effect the format war.

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A question for everyone involved in the format war. What would it mean in this war if Paramount were to reverse their decision in the next few days or so and go back to being format neutral?

~Josh

Well... if Paramount was given money/incentives (which they were) then it would be most likely that whomever these incentives came from also had a contract. I think if Paramount just changed their mind in the coming days that they would be sued. They would also be lambasted by every company as a studio you can't make a deal with. Would it end the war? No. Would it end Paramount? No. Would it set Paramount back a good deal of money? Yes
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I am just curious as to how a decision like that would effect the format war.

~Josh

It would be a boost for Blu-ray and a hit to HD DVD.

However, I don't think things would go back to the way they were. The confusion and damage it's done to the format war would linger, hurting both sides.
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I am just curious as to how a decision like that would effect the format war.

~Josh

If you'll forgive, it sounds like you are trying for the umpteenth time to suggest its in the air, by putting it in the air.

It's like the BDA saying the war will wrap-up in 18th months in an effort to make people think the PARAMOUNT deal will run out, so don't buy HD DVD.

Nice try, no cigar.
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If you'll forgive, it sounds like you are trying for the umpteenth time to suggest its in the air, by putting it in the air.

It's like the BDA saying the war will wrap-up in 18th months in an effort to make people think the PARAMOUNT deal will run out, so don't buy HD DVD.

Nice try, no cigar.

Agreed, isn't this a rumor thread anyhow? How is this related to rumors? pretty off topic.

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If you'll forgive, it sounds like you are trying for the umpteenth time to suggest its in the air, by putting it in the air.

It's like the BDA saying the war will wrap-up in 18th months in an effort to make people think the PARAMOUNT deal will run out, so don't buy HD DVD.

Nice try, no cigar.

I am not saying anything or suggesting anything. Just looking for opinions.

~Josh

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Are there really people who don't think money has been changing hands all over the place during this "war"? Why is this potential instance so huge?

Thank You, what does it mean when Sony is subsidizing Paramount on their BD-50's. Guess what folks it is the same as paying them off. It is a financial incentive and probably has happened more than anyone can imagine since the format war started. Paramount now having to cover BD-50 costs on their own with incredibly low yield rates further driving up the costs and they said no thank you. 150 million is chump change, that's right chicken feed compared to the money Paramount can make off high def discs. They can make 150 million off the profits of 1 movie. There is obviously something much bigger at play here.

Disney's responce to financial incentive's at IFA "no comment." Or in another words, HELLO of course we have been paid off by the BDA. It's business and that's how businesses work. HDDVD PRG and BDA aren't exactly "not for profit organizations". Wake up people!!!
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A question for everyone involved in the format war. What would it mean in this war if Paramount were to reverse their decision in the next few days or so and go back to being format neutral?

~Josh

Any statements on this matter in the coming days will simply entrench P/DW even further as HD DVD only (sans Spielberg / Amblin Entertainment).

However, if by some bizarre set or circumstamces, P/DW did cancel the contract and give Microsoft (you didn't really think it was Toshiba did you?) the money back, then I'm going to really enjoy the excuses as to why Blu-ray is now deserving of an equal chance after all.

Probability of P/DW reversing decision & giving the money back: 25%
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A question for everyone involved in the format war. What would it mean in this war if Paramount were to reverse their decision in the next few days or so and go back to being format neutral?

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I would like to know how this qualifies as a rumor.
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Oh why oh why do the troops continue to allow themselves to be baited by Beat.

You would figure after the upteenth amount of posts he has done like this, we would learn.

I'd love to get my hands on a Blu Monster's Ball.-LilStinky

Refering to a possible release of said movie on BD LOL
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TOSHIBA PAID PARAMOUNT to support HD DVD only, but not $150 million, says Toshiba executive.

You have to scroll down to see that the article has been published, and you cannot read it unless you are already a member, but it is in existence at this point.

Sadly, most people who signed up for 30 day free trials will not be approved until the next business day, i.e., tomorrow.


Winn, we've already covered this up at the top of this page. Toshiba said they gave Paramount some money to help promote their movies on HD DVD. But there was no grand $150 million "payoff" for them to go exclusive.

So now that this has been rebuked by Microsoft and Toshiba, perhaps we can dispense with this "rumor" once and for all.
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As posted by beat on BluRay.com

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....607#post199607

OK Guys, the Gluckman article will be released to the masses tomorrow and also CEDIA begins. I am anticipating that the Gluckman article will generate negative press for Paramount as it will confirm that Paramount went to HD-DVD only because of a pay-off, not because of the "technical benefits of HD-DVD."

Tonight would be the best time for us to each independently send an email to Kelley Avery at Paramount voicing our desire for Paramount to begin releasing its films on Blu-ray again.

Here is Mrs. Avery's Paramount Email Address:

kelley_avery@paramount.com

Thanks Guys!

~Josh

I'd love to get my hands on a Blu Monster's Ball.-LilStinky

Refering to a possible release of said movie on BD LOL
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BTW folks, this is why Beat is asking this. If it sounds like a loaded question, it is.

As posted by beat on BluRay.com

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....607#post199607

OK Guys, the Gluckman article will be released to the masses tomorrow and also CEDIA begins. I am anticipating that the Gluckman article will generate negative press for Paramount as it will confirm that Paramount went to HD-DVD only because of a pay-off, not because of the "technical benefits of HD-DVD."

Tonight would be the best time for us to each independently send an email to Kelley Avery at Paramount voicing our desire for Paramount to begin releasing its films on Blu-ray again.

Here is Mrs. Avery's Paramount Email Address:

kelley_avery@paramount.com

Thanks Guys!

~Josh


I just got back up from my chair. I fell laughing so hard. Oh yeah, a small band of froth-at-the-mouth BD fanboys are going to sway Paramount from their decision to support HD DVD.

There are some things that are just too funny
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A question for everyone involved in the format war. What would it mean in this war if Paramount were to reverse their decision in the next few days or so and go back to being format neutral?

~Josh

What - BDA has come up with $250M?
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What - BDA has come up with $250M?

Or whatever it would cost to pay off the P/DW-HD DVD contract's escape clause.
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Okay beatboy, again 150 million is chump change, chicken feed, etc. compared to the money they can make off high def discs. They are not going back to Bluray any time soon. Incomplete BD specs, confusion among bd 1.1 enabled discs and 1.0 players, low BD-50 disc yields and expensive cost, costs of authoring a movie twice for 2 different formats, bluray bitching if they use a hddvd portover authoring, low cost hddvd players to hit mass market pricing this xmas, better sales of standalone players, take your pick!
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Oh why oh why do the troops continue to allow themselves to be baited by Beat.

You would figure after the upteenth amount of posts he has done like this, we would learn.

Urza, I miss the quote you used to put on the bottom of all your posts!
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