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based on the Euro prices, this is highly unlikely......before we start stating such things as facts lets wait until we get some, eh?

The facts as reported by various sites and by forum members who contacted Venturer:

1) MSRP - US$199.99 <-- From various websites, and from AVS members (email respsones from Venturer)
2) "retail for" < US$150ish. <-- Posted only at AVS (email responses from Venturer)

ie. It sounds like Venturer has set the TOP bar at $200, but it's going to street for much lower than that, depending on the store and whatever sale is going on at the time.
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The facts as reported by various sites and by forum members who contacted Venturer:

1) MSRP - US$199.99
2) "retail for" < US$150ish.

ie. It sounds like Venturer has set the TOP bar at $200, but it's going to street for much lower than that, depending on the store and whatever sale is going on at the time.

Have you noticed that no one is mentioning who Ventuer's biggest buyer is? None other than the 8000 lb. Gorilla - Wal-Mart/Sams Club . . . . 4300 stores in the USA - 6500 worldwide.

BB and CC COMBINED barely have 2000!
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Have you noticed that no one is mentioning who Ventuer's biggest buyer is? None other than the 8000 lb. Gorilla - Wal-Mart/Sams Club . . . . 4300 stores in the USA - 6500 worldwide.

BB and CC COMBINED barely have 2000!

Wal-Mart is huge and very powerful, no doubt.

However, I think for consumer electronics sales, Best Buy is bigger.

That said, there's nothing stopping Venturer products being sold at Best Buy (and Future Shop) or Circuit City or Sears or whatever.
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Can't u guys wait till CEDIA ends before comming to conclusions like that? This thread started with an unconfirmed rumor about when a BD player will or will not make to market, and ended with the conclusion that Venturer will put 150 HD-DVD players on Walmart. Can't you guys stop going all over the place and focus each thread on it's freaking topic?????

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Wal-Mart is huge and very powerful, no doubt.

However, I think for consumer electronics sales, Best Buy is bigger.

That said, there's nothing stopping Venturer products being sold at Best Buy (and Future Shop) or Circuit City or Sears or whatever.

You would be incorrect. Walmart is the biggest electronics retailer. Best Buy is solidly #2. This was repeatedly frequently by corporate presentations when I worked there while in college.
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You would be incorrect. Walmart is the biggest electronics retailer. Best Buy is solidly #2. This was repeatedly frequently by corporate presentations when I worked there while in college.

Yep they are a powerful chain. There was some mind blowing stat that something like 45-48% of ALL DVD sales in North America are through Wal Mart, that is insane power.
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Well we can scratch "cheap BD players in 4Q" off the ever shrinking list of talking points.
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Can't u guys wait till CEDIA ends before comming to conclusions like that?

No need, when you're speculating.

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This thread started with an unconfirmed rumor about when a BD player will or will not make to market

It didn't say it won't make it to market. It said Funai itself it won't be on the market any time soon. The guy reporting this is a hardware reviewer from DVD Times, not just some rabid fanboy troll.

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and ended with the conclusion that Venturer will put 150 HD-DVD players on Walmart. Can't you guys stop going all over the place and focus each thread on it's freaking topic?????

The whole point of the Funai player is to compete against the a lower cost player like the Venturer. However Venturer has already confirmed the MSRP is $199.99 to several sites, and has emailed some people at AVS to say it expects it to sell at $150. To say Venturer will sell at Wal-Mart is speculation, but not much of one, because Wal-Mart already sells Alco/Venturer products, including tons of its DVD players.

It's like connect the dots, except here, it's not terribly complicated.

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You would be incorrect. Walmart is the biggest electronics retailer. Best Buy is solidly #2. This was repeatedly frequently by corporate presentations when I worked there while in college.

So, just to confirm: You worked at Best Buy, and they said this? If so, I stand corrected.
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Can't u guys wait till CEDIA ends before comming to conclusions like that? This thread started with an unconfirmed rumor about when a BD player will or will not make to market, and ended with the conclusion that Venturer will put 150 HD-DVD players on Walmart. Can't you guys stop going all over the place and focus each thread on it's freaking topic?????

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So what should we talk about? There is no Chinese BD player. Shall we let the thread die because of it?
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BB & CC underestimated Walmart's ability to sell flat panel HDTVs last holiday season and had to slash prices to try and keep up. Mr. J6P would you like a Venturer HD DVD player to go with your Walmart flat panel HDTV?
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BB & CC underestimated Walmart's ability to sell flat panel HDTVs last holiday season and had to slash prices to try and keep up. Mr. J6P would you like a Venturer HD DVD player to go with your Walmart flat panel HDTV?

Previously I was predicting we'd see a 37" HDTV with HD DVD player on sale at $998 this year near Xmas.

I am amending that to say we'll see a 42" HDTV with HD DVD player on sale at $998 this year near Xmas.
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Mike and Bug,

Interesting ya'll should say that. There was a recent article in the paper here, that said that BB and CC is going to largely give up the low end flat panel display and focus on more expensive brands, and focus on quality displays because they can't make any money competing against Wal-Mart, Costco and the likes in the low end market.
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No need, when you're speculating.


It didn't say it won't make it to market. It said Funai itself it won't be on the market any time soon. The guy reporting this is a hardware reviewer from DVD Times, not just some rabid fanboy troll.


The whole point of the Funai player is to compete against the a lower cost player like the Venturer. However Venturer has already confirmed the MSRP is $199.99 to several sites, and has emailed some people at AVS to say it expects it to sell at $150. To say Venturer will sell at Wal-Mart is speculation, but not much of one, because Wal-Mart already sells Alco/Venturer products, including tons of its DVD players.

It's like connect the dots, except here, it's not terribly complicated.


So, just to confirm: You worked at Best Buy, and they said this? If so, I stand corrected.

I worked at Best Buy and they said this frequently. This was the reason they actually went to profiled stores, incorporated Magnolia and the Geek Squad, etc. They were trying to differentiate themselves from Wally. The biggest move they made was establishing home-grown brand Dynex for ink, cables, etc. as a means of introducing low-cost accessories to compete directly with Wal-mart.
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Can't u guys wait till CEDIA ends before comming to conclusions like that? This thread started with an unconfirmed rumor about when a BD player will or will not make to market, and ended with the conclusion that Venturer will put 150 HD-DVD players on Walmart. Can't you guys stop going all over the place and focus each thread on it's freaking topic?????

Allan

Yes, please stop. The Paramount deal left some people a little unhinged. Talk of $150 HD DVD players at every Walmart might just send them over the edge.
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Mike and Bug,

Interesting ya'll should say that. There was a recent article in the paper here, that said that BB and CC is going to largely give up the low end flat panel display and focus on more expensive brands, and focus on quality displays because they can't make any money competing against Wal-Mart, Costco and the likes in the low end market.

That seems to be the strategy of Wal-Mart. They don't really care about the format war. They just want the cheapest products, to sell at the lowest possible prices in insane volumes, to a point where traditional competitors get left in the dust pricewise.

They succeeded last year with the sub-$1000 flat panels. This year they might just make that flat panel bigger and throw in an HD DVD player as well.
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I think we're gonna see 42" HDTV + HD DVD Player packages for $999 or less at Walmart this year.

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I think we're gonna see 42" HDTV + HD DVD Player packages for $999 or less at Walmart this year.

what would make you think that....there is seriously no basis for half of the assumptions i see on this site.
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Everyone believed the Funai Annual Report that stated that before the end of the year they would release a BD player. Well Funai's year end is 3/08.

60 days to the deadline - 10/31 - after that HAS to be at least a 1.1 player.

And only one CEM announces a full profile player - with no date and no price.

Sony S500 - October
Phillips 7100 - Immediately
Samsung Gen3 - by October (some have said 5000 will start shipping in Sept.)
Loewe - ?
Mits - Q1 2008
Denon - Q2 2008
Panasonic - NOT A PEEP at IFA
LG - ? They did lower the price to $799 - a firm street price.
Daewoo - no date given.
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Yes, please stop. The Paramount deal left some people a little unhinged. Talk of $150 HD DVD players at every Walmart might just send them over the edge.

what sense would it make to actually read that walmart said they wont carry the venturer also.
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what would make you think that....there is seriously no basis for half of the assumptions i see on this site.

It's just a guess, but they already sell the 42" Vizio for about $949. Coupled with an entry level HD DVD player it is possible that they could have a high-def package of some sort put together by Christmas with a 37" - 42" HDTV and an HD DVD player.

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The picture looks like there Magnavox labled DVD player (it requires a Funai remote) http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=4529480
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It's just a guess, but they already sell the 42" Vizio for about $949. Coupled with an entry level HD DVD player it is possible that they could have a high-def package of some sort put together by Christmas with a 37" - 42" HDTV and an HD DVD player.

And is that going to give J6P a substantially better picture than a $50 upsampling DVD player with the same el cheapo HDTV ?

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It's just a guess, but they already sell the 42" Vizio for about $949. Coupled with an entry level HD DVD player it is possible that they could have a high-def package of some sort put together by Christmas with a 37" - 42" HDTV and an HD DVD player.

or a BD player, no? We have nothing to indicate that Wal MArt favors HD DVD at all....that is except denials everytime a rumor comes up and refusal to carry a low end cheap HD DVD player, that is.
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And is that going to give J6P a substantially better picture than a $50 upsampling DVD player with the same el cheapo HDTV ?

Of course it would. You can't generate detail that isn't there. Up-sampled DVD material that is 480i will never come close to viewing native 1080p material, even if output as 1080i and converted to 720P assuming that the viewer is at a distance to appreciate it.
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