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I've had my HDTV for almost 2 years now and I've been dying to jump on board the HMD train since day one. Haven't done it... yet. I've been close... real close. I know there are TONS more just like me. I think most HDTV owners is pretty much the same (craving HD content). Once you go HD, it's hard to go back. I can't watch sports in SD anymore. I literally find it unwatchable.

Initially I was all for Blu-Ray and couldn't stand HD DVD causing confusion and getting in the way of a superior format. Now? I just don't care. I want one to win and the other to die a quick and painful (and embarrasing) death.

These low cost HD DVD players are VERY tempting. It's almost in the "no lose" price range. If I got burned by dropping 6 bills on a Blu-Ray player, I would hate myself for the rest of eternity. I drop $99 on an upconverting DVD player that can also play HD DVD's... that I can live with.

My question is, how likely do you think it is that I would get burned by jumping onboard HD DVD? I'm so tempted to buy one at a Best Buy, give it a test drive for 29 days, then return it.
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I've had my HDTV for almost 2 years now and I've been dying to jump on board the HMD train since day one. Haven't done it... yet. I've been close... real close. I know there are TONS more just like me. I think most HDTV owners is pretty much the same (craving HD content). Once you go HD, it's hard to go back. I can't watch sports in SD anymore. I literally find it unwatchable.

Initially I was all for Blu-Ray and couldn't stand HD DVD causing confusion and getting in the way of a superior format. Now? I just don't care. I want one to win and the other to die a quick and painful (and embarrasing) death.

These low cost HD DVD players are VERY tempting. It's almost in the "no lose" price range. If I got burned by dropping 6 bills on a Blu-Ray player, I would hate myself for the rest of eternity. I drop $99 on an upconverting DVD player that can also play HD DVD's... that I can live with.

My question is, how likely do you think it is that I would get burned by jumping onboard HD DVD? I'm so tempted to buy one at a Best Buy, give it a test drive for 29 days, then return it.

Just ask yourself, why are they slashing prices. The first thing that will probably pop into your head is "desperation". I don't trust desperate companies.

But this is your money, so if you can afford it...
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There's a chance of being burned by both right now. Ask yourself, would you rather be burned by $100 + movies, or $400 + movies? No matter which one you choose, the player and its discs will still function even if the format dies...which at this point, it doesn't look all that likely that either of them is going anywhere anytime soon.

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Just ask yourself, why are they slashing prices. The first thing that will probably pop into your head is "desperation". I don't trust desperate companies.

But this is your money, so if you can afford it...

and Sony and the BDA aren't the least bit desperate? Don't kid yourself.
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Despite the fact that you essentially questioned the intelligence of all HD-DVD owners, I will be polite and suggest you try a Toshiba A2. You might be pleasantly surprised.

I won't play a fanboy and suggest that maybe Blu-Ray owners will get burned. I will tell you that both formats will coexist for awhile.

Good luck.
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and Sony and the BDA aren't the least bit desperate? Don't kid yourself.

If they are, they are hiding it better than Toshiba.
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The worst case senario is that you have bought an upconverting player for $99 that can also play a library of around 400 High Def films which will also be available dirt cheap. Or you could buy a Blu Ray player for 4 times the cost and maybe lose Warner support after the new year.
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Despite the fact that you essentially questioned the intelligence of all HD-DVD owners...

I didn't intend to do that at all. By "inferior" format, I just meant less storage space. And those were just my initial thoughts. As of right now, I couldn't care less which side wins, I just want one to die ASAP so I can drop some money on a HDM player and not have an anxiety attack when the format I chose loses. Relly, once you get past all the bull both sides are slinging at eachother, both formats do the job. I couldn't care less that there are 17 more minutes of bonus features on the Blu-Ray version of Mr. Belvedere, Season 4.

I see things as being very much up in the air right now. I think we should have our answer by February or March (once the Q4 numbers are all in and Warner makes up their damn minds).

Right now, I'm making a list of movies I want in HD. It looks like HD DVD has a few more exclusives that I want (Casino, King Kong, etc.). The again, Blu-Ray boxes look cooler It's a tough decision.
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Just ask yourself, why are they slashing prices. The first thing that will probably pop into your head is "desperation". I don't trust desperate companies.

But this is your money, so if you can afford it...

Yep and that's exactly why Sony is slashing the ps3 price (=the only Blu ray player and i mean that) like crazy.
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Don't take this the wrong way, but anyone still on the HDM fence with a stable, full-featured, field-tested player with stellar up-conversion of SD discs for $99 doesn't give a rat's poop about watching movies in Hi-Def.

Have no idea the purpose of this thread.
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If they are, they are hiding it better than Toshiba.

They are?? You mean how sony after having lost 850 million in just 3 months from the ps3 (probably much more since the ps2 and the psp are in there and they are profitable) slashed its price even further??
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0% chance. Being burned by a BD 1.0 player already done. 100%
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Don't take this the wrong way, but anyone still on the HDM fence with a stable, full-featured, field-tested player with stellar up-conversion of SD discs for $99 doesn't give a rat's poop about watching movies in Hi-Def.

Have no idea the purpose of this thread.

You don't get it, do you?? Sony fans don't love High-def movies , they just worship sony.

99% of the blu-ray fanboys posting in this board wouldn't even bother with HD movies if the ps3 didn't have a blu ray drive.

I own a ps3 (and paid way more for it than just about everyone here) mostly for Blu-Ray and own a lot of disks but still i want BLu-ray to lose just because of the attitude of Sony's fanboys.
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0 chance. buy a A2 on friday from walmart for $99 even IF hd-dvd loose's u more than get your 99$ out of it over the next year or two...rent all the movies..or hell even if you buy them they will still play no matter who wins the war. Even tho I prefer HD-dvd if a bd player gets cheap enough I will buy one also and go neutral and whatever format loose's I still have HD movies and can pick up some clearance ones on the cheap..its still HD
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Yep and that's exactly why Sony is slashing the ps3 price (=the only Blu ray player and i mean that) like crazy.

The BDA has 44% of the standalone market.

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They are?? You mean how sony after having lost 850 million in just 3 months from the ps3 (probably much more since the ps2 and the psp are in there and they are profitable) slashed its price even further??

They didn't slash the price, they came out with a new model.
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Hi OP, I don't know if this with help but... I own both formats. I've seen movies on both formats that are stunning! For example, I watched Apocalypto on my PS3 the other night - very impressive indeed, though, to be honest, no better than many of the HD-DVDs I've watched. I really don't think there is a 'clear' difference between HD-DVD and Blu Ray - both formats put out a superb picture and great sound. To be honest though I've not really warmed as much to Blu Ray as much as I have to HD-DVD, and one of the reasons I suppose is that the interactivity of HD-DVD has been there from the start. From the very beginning I've had menus that pop out with a swish while the film is still running but with the exception of The Day After Tomorrow every BD disc I have had has clunky menus reminiscent of DVD. BD is getting there, but right now HD-DVD still feels to me like a more complete product.

There was a point where I worried about the longevity of HD-DVD and was glad I had a PS3 in hand. But with Paramount's switch, Walmart clearly promoting HD-DVD, this particular sale on A2s, Warner looking carefully at Q4 hardware sales etc., I am now a little worried for my PS3. At $99 the A2 really is a no-brainer, blu leaning or not.
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I've had my HDTV for almost 2 years now and I've been dying to jump on board the HMD train since day one. Haven't done it... yet. I've been close... real close. I know there are TONS more just like me. I think most HDTV owners is pretty much the same (craving HD content). Once you go HD, it's hard to go back. I can't watch sports in SD anymore. I literally find it unwatchable.

Initially I was all for Blu-Ray and couldn't stand HD DVD causing confusion and getting in the way of a superior format. Now? I just don't care. I want one to win and the other to die a quick and painful (and embarrasing) death.

These low cost HD DVD players are VERY tempting. It's almost in the "no lose" price range. If I got burned by dropping 6 bills on a Blu-Ray player, I would hate myself for the rest of eternity. I drop $99 on an upconverting DVD player that can also play HD DVD's... that I can live with.

My question is, how likely do you think it is that I would get burned by jumping onboard HD DVD? I'm so tempted to buy one at a Best Buy, give it a test drive for 29 days, then return it.

Hello:

I had similar concerns and thoughts at launch (18 months ago) when prices were much higher. I spent $500 on the HD player and loved it so much I went out and also paid $1,000 for a BR player. I have been enjoying high def movies for a year and a half now and dont regret purchasing the HD DVD player at all. In fact I like it so much I have been purchasing it as gifts for family ever since.

With HD DVD I get so much more content, features, functionality and even web interactivity that I dont get with my Blu-ray player. The kids have a ball with all the interactive games and features they put on the disc. The wife and I enjoy watching the movie a second time now while using the extra features such as picture in picture, GPS tracking, actor bios, ability to make your own trailers by picking your favorite scenes in the movie, damage reports etc...

For $98 tomorrow at wal-mart plus 5 free HD DVD's you cant possibly go wrong. At an average of $23 per movie the value of the free movies comes out to $115.

Think of it as purchasing only four HD DVDs and there throwing in the HD DVD upconverting player plus a fifth movie for free.
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You don't get it, do you?? Sony fans don't love High-def movies , they just worship sony.

99% of the blu-ray fanboys posting in this board wouldn't even bother with HD movies if the ps3 didn't have a blu ray drive.

I own a ps3 (and paid way more for it than just about everyone here) mostly for Blu-Ray and own a lot of disks but still i want BLu-ray to lose just because of the attitude of Sony's fanboys.

And you're saying I'm a Sony fan? You already admitted you own a PS3, so that means you are more of a Sony fanboi than I ever could be. Oops, I just realized I own a $15 Sony digital clock. I guess we're both fanboi's afterall.
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The BDA has 44% of the standalone market.



They didn't slash the price, they came out with a new model.

The ps3 is the only player driving Blu ray sales (there wouldn't even be a blu ray without the ps3).

They slashed the price, no way to dance around it.Let's see what company will continue to lose more in this format war Sony or Toshiba.Sony had to sell an arm and a leg (from factories to insurance division) to keep the ps3 (which is bombing because of blu ray) going while Toshiba seems much healthier to me.
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Hello:

I had similar concerns and thoughts at launch (18 months ago) when prices were much higher. I spent $500 on the HD player and loved it so much I went out and also paid $1,000 for a BR player. I have been enjoying high def movies for a year and a half now and dont regret purchasing the HD DVD player at all. In fact I like it so much I have been purchasing it as gifts for family ever since.

With HD DVD I get so much more content, features, functionality and even web interactivity that I dont get with my Blu-ray player. The kids have a ball with all the interactive games and features they put on the disc. The wife and I enjoy watching the movie a second time now while using the extra features such as picture in picture, GPS tracking, actor bios, ability to make your own trailers by picking your favorite scenes in the movie, damage reports etc...

For $98 tomorrow at wal-mart plus 5 free HD DVD's you cant possibly go wrong. At an average of $23 per movie the value of the free movies comes out to $115.

Think of it as purchasing only four HD DVDs and there throwing in the HD DVD upconverting player plus a fifth movie for free.

If I could get it for $99, I would jump all over that. Worst case scenerio, HD DVD loses and I stick with SD DVD instead of converting to Blu-Ray.

I live in Toronto though, so I don't know if Canadian Walmarts are having this sale (probably not).
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Don't take this the wrong way, but anyone still on the HDM fence with a stable, full-featured, field-tested player with stellar up-conversion of SD discs for $99 doesn't give a rat's poop about watching movies in Hi-Def.

Have no idea the purpose of this thread.

What's so strange about me not wanting to throw away money? Especially considering I'm a student.

For $99, it *would* be a no-brainer. But It's a 4 hour sale in the US and I'm in Toronto. If I want to jump in on the HDM party, a ticket is gonna cost me at least $199.99 + media.
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Just ask yourself, why are they slashing prices. The first thing that will probably pop into your head is "desperation". I don't trust desperate companies.

But this is your money, so if you can afford it...


Yes , I stay away from sony products too

Anyway the chances of getting burned by either format are the same. Just look at it this way , if u buy a hd dvd player like the $100 one at walmart this friday you will be out $100 and whatever you spent on software. If you buy a non ps3 bluray player not only will you be out at least $400 plus media you might have to buy a second player before bluray dies out because the current stand alones lack 1.1 and 2.0 functions and alot of extra and cool new stuff wont be playable on current non ps3 players .

But either format should exist well into the future. HD dvd will be around at least another 18 months and by then dual format players should hit the sub $500 mark allowing you to go netrual and enjoy both collections of movies well into the future
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$99 is a small amount to risk in this war.

The movies on the other hand... (razors always need some blades).

I didn't think 198 would work, but 99 is definitely going to sell units. So let's see what happens to disk sales this selling season.
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Lets not turn this into a my format your format bashing, Mr. Robohump is asking a legitimate question. I say go for it. Even if you spend $200, you are still getting one heck of a DVD player that also plays HD DVD's, CD's, CD RR+-. I spent $500 at the beginning and don't regret it at all. Think of it this way, how much money do we all waste on things we really don't need? I just spent $13 on a remote control mouse for my cats that doesn't work well sigh, oh well. Things like these add up. If you are itching to get into hi def, go for the cheap HD DVD player, you WILL NOT be disappointed.

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If you are being serious (and not just posting this to bash on HD DVD which is how I'm reading it), wait until February '08. By then, the results of the holidays will be a little clearer, and maybe we'll have the long rumored WB announcement.

Of course, IMO if you are that worried about spending $99, maybe you shouldn't consider being an early adopter...
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Another thread of "what to get.... blu ray or HD-DVD ? "...go with the format that has the movies you watch the most....I chose blu becuase I'm into sci-fi (fox) and the kids are into animation (Disney).

Think before you speak....
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My question is, how likely do you think it is that I would get burned by jumping onboard HD DVD? I'm so tempted to buy one at a Best Buy, give it a test drive for 29 days, then return it.

I really think by January or spring at the latest you'll be able to tell if we're in for a stalemate or a Blu-ray "win". If the last remaining big neutral studio (Warner) picks a side (which is likely to happen early in 2008) then the answer will be more clear. If we end up with a stalemate you should have no reason to get "burned" other than the fact that both Blu-ray and HD-DVD may fade away together.
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Being "burned" by an inanimate object. Gotta love it. Yikes, I love the emotion that engulfs these HDM discussions. Priceless.

The consequences of early adoption.

I have an HD-DVD player. I buy a few movies and rent even more. If, someday, I can no longer buy or rent HD-DVD's (God forbid!), then, I will buy BD player and buy a few BD discs and rent even more.

If BD goes away, I will duplicate the process with the next guy. By that time, I doubt price will be an issue.

And guess what? I will keep all the hardware so I can still watch the movies I bought. Can you imagine the clutter on my rack! The utter embarrassment! What would my friends say???

Again, the consequences of early adoption.

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If they are, they are hiding it better than Toshiba.


What? You haven't ready some of the press releases by them and the BD exclusive studios lately. They are really funny, sound extremely desperate.
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