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“With all the retail momentum behind HD-DVD, I've even seen prices as low as $164 for the $179 Xbox 360 player that include a free copy of 'Heroes: Season 1' on HD-DVD, plus the free movie in the box along with five free mail-in offer that comes with your purchase, regardless of where you buy," said Jordi Ribas, General Manager of HD-DVD, Microsoft. "I can't speak to specific numbers, but based on recent NPD data, there have been more Xbox 360 HD-DVD players sold than all Blu-ray standalone players combined. The Playstation 3 simply hasn't been the gamer changer Sony had hoped it would be."

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With all the retail momentum behind HD-DVD, I've even seen prices as low as $164 for the $179 Xbox 360 player that include a free copy of 'Heroes: Season 1' on HD-DVD, plus the free movie in the box along with five free mail-in offer that comes with your purchase, regardless of where you buy," said Jordi Ribas, General Manager of HD-DVD, Microsoft. "I can't speak to specific numbers, but based on recent NPD data, there have been more Xbox 360 HD-DVD players sold than all Blu-ray standalone players combined. The Playstation 3 simply hasn't been the gamer changer Sony had hoped it would be."

http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/whos-go...you-318176.php

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Which, by the way also means it sold more than all standalone HD-DVD players combined.

I wonder how Toshiba counts that when they calculate attach rates...
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Which, by the way also means it sold more than all standalone HD-DVD players combined.

I wonder how Toshiba counts that when they calculate attach rates...

well since HD DVD has sold more standalones then blue, we cant be sure.
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Which, by the way also means it sold more than all standalone HD-DVD players combined.

I wonder how Toshiba counts that when they calculate attach rates...

what are you basing that assumption on?

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It's a $179 add-on with great promotions behind it versus $499+ stand alones. I'm mildly surprised to hear about this, but I guess I shouldn't be. By the end of the holiday season, these numbers are going to be shocking unless Sony can return fire with some aggressive pricing.
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By the end of the holiday season, these numbers are going to be shocking unless Sony can return fire with some aggressive pricing.

Which they've clearly stated they are not doing. I think the jury may still be out on that.
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what are you basing that assumption on?

the fact that Blu-Ray and HD-DVD standalone sales are neck-and-neck.
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I don't really beleive this. It doesn't sound true at all.
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It's a $179 add-on with great promotions behind it versus $499+ stand alones. I'm mildly surprised to hear about this, but I guess I shouldn't be. By the end of the holiday season, these numbers are going to be shocking unless Sony can return fire with some aggressive pricing.

Sony president has said "NO BLURAY PLAYERS FOR LESS THAN $399 THIS YEAR"

So I think the numbers are going to be shocking.
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Wow!

I felt it would selll well, but that well? Good news for HDDVD.

I think Heroes did a god job with the nerd factor!, great promo!

I wonder if the Star Trek box set can pull some good numbers as well.

BTW que all the excuses incoming

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It's a $179 add-on with great promotions behind it versus $499+ stand alones. I'm mildly surprised to hear about this, but I guess I shouldn't be. By the end of the holiday season, these numbers are going to be shocking unless Sony can return fire with some aggressive pricing.

Why is it up to Sony? Sharp, Samsung, LG, Phillips, Panasonic, or Pioneer could step in just as easily.
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Why is it up to Sony? Sharp, Samsung, LG, Phillips, Panasonic, or Pioneer could step in just as easily.

Apparently not. Their players are ripoffs and less capable than HD DVD players. Find me a BD player more capable than an XA2. Bye!
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First off, that statement, in the OP's post, is amazing if true.

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the fact that Blu-Ray and HD-DVD standalone sales are neck-and-neck.

What are the LTD numbers for SA? Anyone know? I imagine they'll change a lot between yesterday and Monday, but what are the numbers we do know?

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Why is it up to Sony? Sharp, Samsung, LG, Phillips, Panasonic, or Pioneer could step in just as easily.

The best two in line to offer an affordable Bluray player are Samsung and LG.

Wait...

Didn't Fox, BDA, and Sony publicly slap them and tell the public the problems with BD+ had to do with the quality of Samsung and LG products?

Oh snap. Burnt that bridge.
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Find me a BD player more capable than an XA2.

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Which, by the way also means it sold more than all standalone HD-DVD players combined.

I wonder how Toshiba counts that when they calculate attach rates...

Well, considering that the Xbox 360 Add-On is considered the equivelant of a standalone (because you aren't buying one to play games on it since you can't), I would think it would be pretty easy.


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the fact that Blu-Ray and HD-DVD standalone sales are neck-and-neck.

The fact? Last I heard it was 60% HD DVD. So next time I hear 60:40 Blu-ray software sales I can say they are running "neck and neck"? Great!


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Why is it up to Sony? Sharp, Samsung, LG, Phillips, Panasonic, or Pioneer could step in just as easily.

Because the CE's are in this to make money off their players. You think for a moment Panasonic or Pioneer is going to street a $199 Blu-ray player with 1.1, 1.2, or whatever profile is the cool of the day? LG makes a dual player, and Samsung seems to have no interest.

Sony is all that's left. And I am sure no one on the BD CE side is pleased that Sony's trying to market a $399 PS3.
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It's just as realistic as a headline stating "Recent NPD:10x as many PS-3 Blu-Ray players sold than HD DVD standalone player"

Yawn ... nice fanboi spin.
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Which, by the way also means it sold more than all standalone HD-DVD players combined.

I wonder how Toshiba counts that when they calculate attach rates...

Toshiba includes them in hardware sales and attachment rates since all the add on can do is play HD DVDs (and CD/DVD). It's not just an attachment for 360, with the right program it'll work for PC as well (via USB).

I'm one to count ALL playback devices, wether an add on or a game console, as part of hardware and software sales. But damn, I did not expect it to be like that!

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I wonder if his quote included sales from that Best Buy add-on/Heroes promotion? I know there were people buying as many as 4 add-ons to take advantage of a Best Buy computer glitch. I guess both groups are leaving out the details in their PR statements.

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The best two in line to offer an affordable Bluray player are Samsung and LG.

Wait...

Didn't Fox, BDA, and Sony publicly slap them and tell the public the problems with BD+ had to do with the quality of Samsung and LG products?

Oh snap. Burnt that bridge.

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Oh wait, didn't Toshiba JUST burn their bridge with MS, by undercutting the add-on? Or you still expect people to pay $179 for an addion versus $99 for a FULL player. Lets see have many addons Microsoft is going to selling starting NOW.
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Apparently not. Their players are ripoffs and less capable than HD DVD players. Find me a BD player more capable than an XA2. Bye!

I'm trying to find the relevance in this post.
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With all the retail momentum behind HD-DVD, I've even seen prices as low as $164 for the $179 Xbox 360 player that include a free copy of 'Heroes: Season 1' on HD-DVD, plus the free movie in the box along with five free mail-in offer that comes with your purchase, regardless of where you buy," said Jordi Ribas, General Manager of HD-DVD, Microsoft. "I can't speak to specific numbers, but based on recent NPD data, there have been more Xbox 360 HD-DVD players sold than all Blu-ray standalone players combined. The Playstation 3 simply hasn't been the gamer changer Sony had hoped it would be."

http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/whos-go...you-318176.php

From this quote, there's really no way to tell if he's stating that it outsold on a weekly basis, monthly, year-to-date, or since-inception. It will be interesting to see if a more exactly worded press release comes out of this. My guess is that he's cherry-picking a weekly sample much like Sony did when they touted the BDP-300 topped the sales of standalones. If you pick a week when you just did a big promotion or a price drop like the add-on just did, its pretty easy to win a week. Just like you could easily release a big blockbuster movie and claim to have won that week's software... wait... disregard that one

Also its sort of weird that he states add-on vs. standalone figures, and then somewhat claims that is evidence that PS3 isn't living up to its goals? How does that follow. Did the HD-DVD add-on outsell the PS3 for that week? If so, then say so. If not, then stick to what the facts show.
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Can we define the add on as a standalone? I'd say so since each one sold only has the purpose of playing movies.

Can we define the PS3 as a standalone. No!

Point is valid.

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I think the PS3 is a hunk of crap and I would never buy one, even for $99. If it's more capable why can't I control it with my Harmony? Where are its analog outputs? Why doesn't it's DVD playback look as good as the XA2's? No HQV chip? why not?
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Oh wait, didn't Toshiba JUST burn their bridge with MS, by undercutting the add-on? Or you still expect people to pay $179 for an addion versus $99 for a FULL player. Lets see have many addons Microsoft is going to selling starting NOW.

Considering the $99 player is a one day sale, I don't think Microsoft is the least bit upset.
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And I am sure no one on the BD CE side is pleased that Sony's trying to market a $399 PS3.

probably more pleased than they would be having to compete with toshiba practically giving away players at a HUGE loss...

either toshiba have to raise prices on their players again or the format will die

it might beat out blu-ray but no other ce company will want to make players until they can make a profit at prices that matches those of toshiba's ($99-199)

and no format can really take off with just 1 ce company behind it
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Oh wait, didn't Toshiba JUST burn their bridge with MS, by undercutting the add-on? Or you still expect people to pay $179 for an addion versus $99 for a FULL player. Lets see have many addons Microsoft is going to selling starting NOW.

No.

Microsoft is 100% on board with the entire plan.

HDi, VC-1 ?
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probably more pleased than they would be having to compete with toshiba practically giving away players at a HUGE loss...

You are misinformed if you think Toshiba is taking a huge loss on the A2.

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