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post #391 of 746 Old 06-27-2008, 02:03 PM
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Excellent series on some of Universal's old catalog titles we love. With screen captures.

Universal's House of Horrors

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Nice!

Can't wait for Lost in Translation.
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Nice!

Can't wait for Lost in Translation.

I haven't watched the Lost in Translation HD DVD yet, but I have watched the D-Theater. Wasn't this a soft film to begin with? People complained about it then, also.

On the link, I don't think Universal was as bad as people, especially the author on this site says. He's usually good in doing comparisons, but these comments in the "Universal's House of Horrors" don't match the ratings on the same site, and some of the better PQ titles are below those listed here.

http://whiggles.landofwhimsy.com/writings/hdimage.html

Seed of Chucky received an 8; so did Red Dragon.

Fear and Loathing received a 7. So does The Thing (excellent PQ).

Lost in Translation, Eternal Sunshine, Brokeback, and Malkovich received 5s.

By comparison, both Black Hawk Down and Brotherhood of the Wolf only received 4s (both excellent PQ).
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Title: Brokeback Mountain (2005)
Studio: Universal
Disc: HD-DVD (USA)
Problem: DNR
Time Codes: Whole film
Comments: Smooth/filtered DNR look with little to none texture definition
URLs: Example 1, Example 2, Example 3, Example 4, Example 5, Example 6

Title: Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (1998)
Studio: Universal
Disc: HD-DVD (USA)
Problem: EE
Time Codes: Whole film
Comments: Really edgy old transfer
URLs: Example 1, Example 2, Example 3, Example 4, Example 5, Example 6

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Title: Cat People (1982)
Studio: Universal
Disc: HD-DVD (USA)
Problem: DNR, EE
Time Codes: Whole film
Comments: Outdated Universal transfer with DNR and thick EE.
URLs: Example 1, Example 2, Example 3, Example 4, Example 5, Example 6

Title: Seed of Chucky (2004)
Studio: Universal
Disc: HD-DVD (USA)
Problem: EE
Time Codes:
Comments: Inconsistent transfer with some scenes having EE, others clean
URLs: Example
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I watched 3:10 To Yuma yesterday and couldn't see the jaggies at all....It looked fine to me but i'll be the first to admit i tend to notice DNR, EE or Macroblocking or Mosquito Noise before i notice something like jaggies. Kinda glad i noticed none actually.

Decent remake but not a patch on the original film.
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I watched 3:10 To Yuma yesterday and couldn't see the jaggies at all....It looked fine to me but i'll be the first to admit i tend to notice DNR, EE or Macroblocking or Mosquito Noise before i notice something like jaggies. Kinda glad i noticed none actually..

Helps enjoying the film. :-)
If you fully resolve 1080p the color jaggies are there, as demonstrated in the stills.
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Title: Brokeback Mountain (2005)
Studio: Universal
Disc: HD-DVD (USA)
Problem: DNR
Time Codes: Whole film
Comments: Smooth/filtered DNR look with little to none texture definition
URLs: Example 1, Example 2, Example 3, Example 4, Example 5, Example 6

Is the UK BD any different?
I'm not convinced in this case. I'll have to check the UK BD again.
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Added Stargate BD which has thick EE at times.
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Added 'Before the Devil Knows You're Dead'. Another Genesis camera sourced transfer with aliasing issues. What's up with these Genesis masters?? Sometimes vertical lines show massive wobbling around. Then there is 'normal' moiré and jaggies at times. Most shots seem to be free of them but some look really bad
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Is this problem similar to Next which was shot using Genesis camera ?

Blu-ray : 340
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Added 'Before the Devil Knows You're Dead'. Another Genesis camera sourced transfer with aliasing issues. What's up with these Genesis masters?? Sometimes vertical lines show massive wobbling around. Then there is 'normal' moiré and jaggies at times. Most shots seem to be free of them but some look really bad

Was every shoot made with the Genesis?

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Is this problem similar to Next which was shot using Genesis camera ?

No. Next has this persistent general filtering problem. With Devil it pops in and out and looks different. Several types of aliasing.
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Was every shoot made with the Genesis?

All is Genesis by the looks of it. The making of mentions no use of 35mm for some shots.
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Title: Before the Devil Knows You're Dead (2007)
Studio: Image Entertainment
Disc: BD (USA)
Problem: Aliasing/Moiré/Wobbling
Time Codes: At regular intervals during the whole film
Comments: Another Genesis sourced transfer that has issues with jaggies and messed up fine detail. Most shots look clean but some have massive wobbling of vertical lines or jaggies are running up and down some edges, freeze into invisibilty and come alive again. Car grills are problematic, as usual. Bad conversion to 1080p 4:2:0? Problems in the master?
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I can confirm this for the UK (Entertainment in Video) Blu-ray as well. The same problems.
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IMHO, the quality leap from 480P-1080P is more important and noticeable, than judging the same Blu-ray movie with/without DNR applied. Until, DNR is used so heavily it makes an HD disk look SD, I'm not going to be so anal about such a subtle difference one can only spot in a side by side comparison.

Though, If I had a choice, I would ask to see what it would look like without DNR applied, and if the grain is more annoying than film like, then I would opt for some slight DNR utilization.
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IMHO, the quality leap from 480P-1080P is more important and noticeable, than judging the same Blu-ray movie with/without DNR applied. Until, DNR is used so heavily it makes an HD disk look SD, I'm not going to be so anal about such a subtle difference one can only spot in a side by side comparison.

There is DNR and there is DNR. The kind Patton and Longest Day show needs nothing for comparison. It speaks volumes for itself. The kind Warner allegedly often applies (I'm not saying they do, except some obvious cases like Twister) is something else.
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mhafner,

Can you check on this and revert back ?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post14196068

I don't have Shooter BD, only HD-DVD.
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Watched Jumper. It has some shots with DNR smearing, and some look too edgy. But overall it's not enough to put on the list, I'd say. Opinions?
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Many noticed some kind of smearing on Jumper but weren't able boldly say if it was due to DNR 'coz the entire movie had persistent film grain.
Please correct me if my understanding is wrong.

I think some shots on the DI had DNR and sharpening. No disc (mastering) problem.
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Like The Departed?
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Got any timestamps so we can take a look, m?
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Got any timestamps so we can take a look, m?

The opening scene(s) with the jumper as boy. Watch his skin in motion.
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I have to add "There Will Be Blood" to the list. Persistent EE in daylight shots that give the picture a harsh and video look. Another brand new transfer with EE. Sad. Grain is fine, on the other hand.
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Like The Departed?

have not yet watched Departed beyond the scene in question.
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Is the EE on TWBB persistent or appears only in overexposed daylight shots ?

Persistent in most daylight shots. Less visible in dark/interior shots. Some shots look clean, but maybe only due to lack of high contrast detail.
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Title: Pan's Labyrinth (2006)
Studio: New Line
Disc: BD (USA)
Problem: DNR and possibly EE
Time Codes: Whole Movie
Comments: US BD has strong DNR, French HD-DVD and German BD does not. The examples show the difference clearly. DNR destroys the film look and turns people into wax puppets.
URLs:
Example1_UK_BD_No_DNR
Example1_US_BD_HD-DVD_WITH_DNR
Example2_UK_BD_No_DNR
Example2_US_BD_HD-DVD_WITH_DNR
Example3_UK_BD_No_DNR
Example3_US_BD_HD-DVD_WITH_DNR
Example4_UK_BD_No_DNR
Example4_US_BD_HD-DVD_WITH_DNR
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Can you update this to note that the UK BD is DNR-free and the French HD DVD has some other processing? I'm not sure what to call it.

My first addition:

Title: Total Recall (1990)
Studio: Lionsgate & Studio Canal / Universal
Disc: BD (USA) & HD DVD (France / Australia)
Problem: Digital scratch removal artifacts
Time Codes: Whole Movie
Comments: Scratch removal that removes picture details deemed to be "scratches" such as bullet shells. The intact scratches and details can be seen on the DVD releases. The HD DVD seems to have more objects removed than the BD.
URLs: DVD vs BD #1, DVD vs BD #2, DVD vs HD DVD
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Done.
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I have to add "There Will Be Blood" to the list. Persistent EE in daylight shots that give the picture a harsh and video look. Another brand new transfer with EE. Sad. Grain is fine, on the other hand.

I just tested this dics in various scenes and paused everytime I saw high contrast edges. But even realy close to the screen (1080p) I can see no such thing as EE. No halos or anything comparable. To me it looks perfectly accurate. Have you checked that your sharpness setting in the display/player isn't creating these things? Maybe you have a link to screenshots? Unfortunately I couldn't find any and I don't have a PC drive. Or can you provide time codes?
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The Wild Bunch is listed for EE but it seems to have some other problem as well. DVDBeaver put up a few captures and while there is no obviously smooth DNR-look, it looks like it's been filtered somehow. Instead of a clearly visible grain structure there is a noisy pattern of edgy "microblocks" visible in most shots. Particularly to the right in the very first cap, and on the extreme close-up in the seventh cap. I don't think simply poor compression could do this. Can anyone confirm what I'm seeing?
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I think it's a combination of old transfer and dnr. Pretty smudgy
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I hate these things. I feel like a dope in that I can never really see much of difference. They look about the same in my. Seems like the one has slightly more pronounce pits in his face... but I stress slightly.

I take that back. I can definitely see the difference on the second example. Still not alot though.

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