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Old 12-26-2008, 08:49 AM
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Elf looks like a joke. HD without the detail.
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Elf looks like a joke. HD without the detail.

Oh, that's a movie? I thought Xylon was trying to sell us a couple of paintings.
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Old 12-30-2008, 07:06 AM - Thread Starter
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I'll remove it if you don't want it listed there.

It's ok. But like 5 years old. Still relevant though.
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It's ok. But like 5 years old. Still relevant though.

Thanks and here's one which i think should be on your list.

Title: The X Files - Fight The Future
Studio: Twentieth Century Fox
Disc: BD (U.S.A)
Problem: Macroblocking, Color Banding and especially EE
Time Codes: Macroblocking during the opening caveman scenes....Color Banding during the opening title sequence...The edge enhancement runs from the beginning of the film right to the end thus is throughout the film.
Comments: The edge enhancement is thin but very noticeable on large projection screens and it spoiled my enjoyment.
The color banding is only on the title sequence and i only noticed bad macroblocking during the very opening scenes.
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Old 01-04-2009, 04:41 AM - Thread Starter
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Added X-Files, Truman Show and Elf. Removed "Transformers".
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...yet I immediately thought of Paramount after seeing the qualities of the image.

Looks like they used the exact same settings they used on Zulu
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Old 01-09-2009, 07:22 AM - Thread Starter
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Added 'Immortel (ad vitam) (2004)' US BD. SD Upcon. Bad quality.
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Hidden/Caché: EE and DNR. Old style HD camera video look. Pretty ugly.
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Any idea if the The Thing - U.K BD is DNR-ed ?

Blu-ray : 340
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Zodiac looks like it has gone through some DNR. I know this film was shot digitally on the viper cam, but darker scenes have some pretty clear signs, like frozen grain fields. The opening scene is the most apparent. Since digital cameras do have something similar to grain called digital noise, it's possible that Warner did their patented DNR work on yet another new release. I'm wondering if someone can confirm or deny this.
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Zodiac looks like it has gone through some DNR. I know this film was shot digitally on the viper cam, but darker scenes have some pretty clear signs, like frozen grain fields. The opening scene is the most apparent. Since digital cameras do have something similar to grain called digital noise, it's possible that Warner did their patented DNR work on yet another new release. I'm wondering if someone can confirm or deny this.

Is this the UK Warner release or the new Paramount release shipping now on some sites ?

I ask because i'd like to buy this one but obviously want the best version.
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I did some reading up on the release. Apparently the international version (which I have) was released by Warner while the US version was released by Paramount. I have not seen the US version yet, so I can not say if it is better.
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Zodiac looks like it has gone through some DNR. I know this film was shot digitally on the viper cam, but darker scenes have some pretty clear signs, like frozen grain fields. The opening scene is the most apparent. Since digital cameras do have something similar to grain called digital noise, it's possible that Warner did their patented DNR work on yet another new release. I'm wondering if someone can confirm or deny this.

Zodiac was denoised by Lowry Digital for Fincher. No Warner issue. Director desired and approved. It is what it is.
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That's sort of weird. Anyway, if it's what Fincher wanted I guess I can't really complain. I just wish Lowry did a better job; the frozen grain fields are a bit distracting.
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Zodiac was denoised by Lowry Digital for Fincher. No Warner issue. Director desired and approved. It is what it is.

This being the case couldn't an argument be made that Crank and Casino Royale are what they are since in the case of Crank the image was sharpened with the directors approval and in the case of Casino Royale it underwent grain reduction with the approval and supervision of the director.

If Zodiac has frozen grain backgrounds it should surely be on the list no matter if it's director approved or not since other films like the above i mentioned were also director approved.
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This being the case couldn't an argument be made that Crank and Casino Royale are what they are since in the case of Crank the image was sharpened with the directors approval and in the case of Casino Royale it underwent grain reduction with the approval and supervision of the director.
If Zodiac has frozen grain backgrounds it should surely be on the list no matter if it's director approved or not since other films like the above i mentioned were also director approved.

Aproved or not is not relevant for the list (although we mention it if we know). Relevant is the extent of the problem(s). As always if there are stills and/or time codes we can consider an entry.
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Planet of the apes series. All of them seem to have ringing (at least according to my eyes), and an insider says that it has undergone processing to de-grain.

Also -- for someone who has The Fall, can you check for ringing. I felt I saw it every time there was a sky background (in the "story" world) with someone wearing a hat, and thought it was distracting. (Edit: I saw some screen caps and it didnt appear to have any).

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Anyone know why so many many Paramount titles have vertical lines running down across the image? I really don't see this from any other studio. Here are some examples:

Zodiac US Blu-ray (HD DVD has the same lines)


Old School Blu-ray (HD DVD has the same lines)


Patriot Games Blu-ray (HD DVD has the same lines)


Forrest Gump HBO


Apocalypse Now Redux Cinemax


The Dead Zone HDNet


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Well I just watched Zodiac and I didn't notice anything like that anywhere. Where are those captures from?
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eric,

I have seen a thin vertical line that flashed for a moment in my BD copy of There Will Be Blood.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post14577342

Blu-ray : 340
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I can see the lines, but once I opened the photos and made them full res the lines are not there. I can't remember ever watching a Bluray and seeing lines like that. (Same 50" display I watch movies on)
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Doesn't Hot Rod have the same issue?

That transfer of Forrest Gump is so old. If Paramount puts that on Blu-ray there'll be Gangs of New York style riots.
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Well I just watched Zodiac and I didn't notice anything like that anywhere. Where are those captures from?

I certainly did notice them, and I made specific reference to them in my review here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=9810
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IMO, Shawshank Redemption exhibits pretty obvious signs of excessive DNR.
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IMO, Shawshank Redemption exhibits pretty obvious signs of excessive DNR.

If you look at the blu-ray / dvd comparison for that, it looks like no additional DNR/processing was done for the blu-ray and that they simply used the same master as they did for the DVD. From what I've seen, a good amount of Warner titles are like this... the filtering done in the master. Though I have no "solid" evidence to back this theory up.

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They must have used DNR on the DVD. Can you link me to those photos?
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I certainly did notice them, and I made specific reference to them in my review here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=9810

Is it better to buy the Warner edition then or do both exhibit this issue....I want to buy this movie at some point but want the best edition ?
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Should Patton still be included in the list? I thought it had been well established by now that the lack of grain was due to it being from a 65mm film source, and the "pasty" look of the actors was due to the makeup used, not DNR smearing. According to an article from dvdfile last April, Senior Vice President of Corporate & Marketing Communications Steve Feldstein for Fox confirmed that there was no grain removal applied to Patton.

And....it seems I can't post the link because I'm new here. Well, if you go to dvdfile and do a quick search for "Home Media Expo" the article pops right up. Just scroll down to the section on DNR and you can see what was said regarding the Patton BD release.
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