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I'm not so sure that I agree that The Fog is an "up-convert". I was able to compare the DVD and the Blu-ray, and the Blu-ray did offer a much better picture (mainly in the way of colors), but it didn't have any of the compression issues that the DVD had, plus things were a bit sharper.

However, the Fog does have a good amount of EE from what I saw. But an "Up-convert"? I'm going to need evidence of this, because from my comparison, The Fog did resemble some decent 1080p prints.
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this thread needs serious update
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BIG thanks for the updates!
Could you all so update titles too show that they have been re-released or now are on blu?

"I wonder if any of the releases had slipcovers though."
"Are these comfirmed to have slipcovers?"
"They look nice in those slips."
"This slipcover looks too good to pass up."
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BIG thanks for the updates!
Could you all so update titles too show that they have been re-released or now are on blu?

If you have updates post them here please.
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If you have updates post them here please.

I try desperately NOT too buy any DNR/EE'd titles.
So, I'm would not have the resources too do so.
Super glad you (and others) do!

I was thinking more of updating the releases (& re-releases). So, I'll attempt that:
"Army of Darkness" has been released on BD.
"The Big Lebowski" has been released on BD.
"Caddyshack" has been released on BD.
"Casino Royale" has been re-released on BD (same transfer).
"The Deer Hunter" has been released on BD.
"Dirty Dancing" has been re-released on BD.
"Elisabeth" has been released on BD.
"Escape from New York" has been released on BD in the US (R1).
"Fantastic Four" has been released on BD in the US (R1).
"Half Baked" will be released on Blu in July '10.
"Hot Rod" has been released on BD.
"The Matrix" has been released on BD.
"Meet the Parents" has been released on BD.
"Mr. & Mrs. Smith" has been released as an import on BD.
"Stargate" has been re-released on BD.
"Traffic" has been released on BD.
"U-571" has been released on BD.
"Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory" has been released on BD.

(of coarse I may have missed some & I apologies in advance for any errors)

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Sorry to troll, but I just found out about this whole DNR thing and... I wish EVERY old movie used it! Man do I love the way the picture pops in movies like "Predator: Ultimate Hunter Edition" (which I just got done watching). Personally, I don't like grain in old movies and usually have a ho-hum experience with old transfers because of it.

Now that I know technology can correct the issues, I'm excited!

Ironically, some of the movies listed are the ones with the picture I already find most impressive ("Chronicles of Narnia", "Dark City", "The Dark Knight", etc.). I actually happened upon this thread trying to Google to figure out which movies used the technique so I can target future purchases and buy more of them!

I know my preference makes me totally unhip/retarded, but I like the effect.

Anyway, thanks for maintaining this list. I appreciate it in a way you didn't anticipate.
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Sorry to troll, but I just found out about this whole DNR thing and... I wish EVERY old movie used it! Man do I love the way the picture pops in movies like "Predator: Ultimate Hunter Edition" (which I just got done watching). Personally, I don't like grain in old movies and usually have a ho-hum experience with old transfers because of it.

Now that I know technology can correct the issues, I'm excited!

Ironically, some of the movies listed are the ones with the picture I already find most impressive ("Chronicles of Narnia", "Dark City", "The Dark Knight", etc.). I actually happened upon this thread trying to Google to figure out which movies used the technique so I can target future purchases and buy more of them!

I know my preference makes me totally unhip/retarded, but I like the effect.

Anyway, thanks for maintaining this list. I appreciate it in a way you didn't anticipate.


not a flame-retort...

question: how big is your screen and how far back from it do you sit? Specifically how many "screen widths away" from the image do you sit?

Can you describe your display (ie, 720p versus 1080p, Plasma or DLP projection etc.).

I ask these questions because DNR and EE often only become bothersome artifacts when viewers are replicating "cinema" viewing angles that approximate a 30 degree experience (as films, and blu-ray are meant to be viewed I should add).

Folks viewing images from more than 1.75 screen widths would be sitting too far to see all of the real detail in a 1080p image and would probably experience EE as "pop", which is exactly why many tools were developed around adding it given the legacy of lower resolution/smaller screens that were intended to be viewed from relatively farther away (narrower viewing angles).

BTW, one thing you should know (if your post is serious) is that you can always simply add EE/ringing on the display side by turning up the sharpness on your display. But you can't get rid of hte artifact once it's burned into the image on the blu-ray. For this reason, it makes sense to master content with transparency to the source, and then let consumers dial in their displays as they personally prefer as it leaves all options on the table for all consumers.

1080p and lossless audio. EVERY BD should have them both.
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question: how big is your screen and how far back from it do you sit? Specifically how many "screen widths away" from the image do you sit?

Can you describe your display (ie, 720p versus 1080p, Plasma or DLP projection etc.).

I have a 55" UN55B8500. Samsung's local-dimming LED backlit model from last year, which CNET claims is surpassed only by the legendary Pioneer Kuro for picture quality.

I sit about 15' away. Certainly more than 1.75 TV lengths.

I definitely am serious that I love the DNR/EE processing I've seen so far (in "Dark Knight", "Chronicles of Narnia", "Predator: Ultimate Hunter Edition", etc.). In fact, they're the movies whose image I like the most!

Conversely, I hate grain and feel it detracted from the image quality of films like "300", which apparently added grain to the otherwise pristine digital imagery.

Honestly, I know a lot of people online are saying I'm supposed to hate DNR/EE but I just don't! I love it!

I'm hearing more rumors that "Aliens" got a similar treatment and it gets me excited to see it.
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I have a 55" UN55B8500. Samsung's local-dimming LED backlit model from last year, which CNET claims is surpassed only by the legendary Pioneer Kuro for picture quality.

I sit about 15' away. Certainly more than 1.75 TV lengths.

I definitely am serious that I love the DNR/EE processing I've seen so far (in "Dark Knight", "Chronicles of Narnia", "Predator: Ultimate Hunter Edition", etc.). In fact, they're the movies whose image I like the most!

Conversely, I hate grain and feel it detracted from the image quality of films like "300", which apparently added grain to the otherwise pristine digital imagery.

Honestly, I know a lot of people online are saying I'm supposed to hate DNR/EE but I just don't! I love it!

I'm hearing more rumors that "Aliens" got a similar treatment and it gets me excited to see it.


Looks like we have the answer as to why you don't mind (or why you feel positive about) EE: you're sitting much farther away from your screen than the resolving power of 1080p, and the viewing angle of film would prescribe. That's not a bad thing... folks can sit whereever they want to watch any screen size they choose, but it does mean that for you EE would look sharper, whereas for anyone viewing with a viewing angle to replicate cinema-wide images with fullly visible 1080p resolution, such ringing would appear as an artifact. The quality of your set is not in question: it's the fact that you're sitting too far away to see all of the detail in the image that's the issue as to why EE doesn't look disagreeable to you.

1080p and lossless audio. EVERY BD should have them both.
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Your TV includes a Digital Noise Reduction feature so you should be able to make any Blu-ray look like Predator: UHE. It's under the Picture Settings menu, try it out.
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Thanks guys.

For what it's worth, I measured it out and my viewing distance is more like 11', but still outside the 1.75x range. I definitely like the effect from where I sit, though! I may have to try scooting closer one of these days to see if my opinion changes.

Also, I checked out the "Digital NR" feature and it looks like it's set to "Auto" right now. Thanks for the heads up about the option! I'll have to pop in a few of my grainier movies to see what they're like when I crank the setting up to "high".
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Sorry to troll, but I just found out about this whole DNR thing and... I wish EVERY old movie used it! Man do I love the way the picture pops in movies like "Predator: Ultimate Hunter Edition" (which I just got done watching). Personally, I don't like grain in old movies and usually have a ho-hum experience with old transfers because of it.

Now that I know technology can correct the issues, I'm excited!

Did you know that most Blu-ray players and TVs have a DNR option? You should look into that - then you can watch all the movies in the damaged way you like!
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As an update (not that anyone cares), I did try out the "Digital NR" feature of my set and it didn't make a noticeable difference in a grainy film like "Karate Kid". It's certainly not a good solution to replicate the picture pop I like.

I notice more and more, however, that there are Blu Rays (and movies in general) that have borders around foreground objects (usually people) against a fast moving background. The borders look like they contain content from a frame or two earlier.

Is that an artifact of edge enhancement in some films or some other factor coming into play? I really hate it. It brings me out of the experience of the movie as quickly as grain does.
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I would add Saturday Night Fever (1977)
although so light, unfortunately was applied EE and DNR


otherwise was a perfect transfer.

Sorry for my bad English
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boulder_bum, did you also try cranking up the noise reduction on your player(if it has it and it wasn't already defaulted to on?). Also, you may want to try turning up the sharpness on both the tv and bd player.

And on topic, I am sadened that so many good films with hd potential have been handled so carelessly. On one hand you have grainy films turned to plastic, and the opposite hand, an animation like Surf's Up where heavy grain was purposefully added( I think it looks great and can't believe it was bundled with the Water Horse movie for 12 bucks at BB).
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boulder_bum, did you also try cranking up the noise reduction on your player(if it has it and it wasn't already defaulted to on?). Also, you may want to try turning up the sharpness on both the tv and bd player.
Thanks, notanarborist.

I didn't try tweaking the settings of my Blu Ray player(s). I kind of gave up on that avenue because I don't think real-time hardware processing gives the same effect/pop as production-time DNR.

I did, however, try increasing sharpness to the max at one point, but I found that it produced an unpleasant moire effect on the picture in several Blu Rays, so I ended up turning it all the way off.

On a side note, I figured out the "borders" mentioned in my last post were an artifact of 240Hz processing.

240Hz processing has me a bit torn. I like films to look good, not historic, so I actually prefer elimination of grain and filling in frames of scenes that would otherwise be choppy. I notice choppiness in panning scenes with 240Hz processing off, which I don't like, but I notice ringing when 240Hz processing is too high, and I also don't like that! I've yet to find the perfect balance in this regard (which will be a custom setting somewhere between "Standard" and "Clear" on my TV), but at least I was able to figure out what was causing the issue.
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One for the list. The UK's Special Edition 1080i50 release of Planet Earth that fixes the banding problems adds a new one: harsh blooming on some episodes.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/united-king...ml#post4173930

There are more shots a few posts before that comparing new vs old where the snows is clipped to oblivion.
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This thread should be more popular than "Star Wreak"!

Butt no...

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One for the list. The UK's Special Edition 1080i50 release of Planet Earth that fixes the banding problems adds a new one: harsh blooming on some episodes.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/united-king...ml#post4173930

There are more shots a few posts before that comparing new vs old where the snows is clipped to oblivion.

That has been corrected. You can get replacement discs apparently.
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Apparently there is a release of 3:10 to Yuma in Japan without the jaggies or color problems!
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Hmm, interesting. I have the US disc but never watched it on my main setup. It looks like the JP disc is OOP but is still available for rental, I'll check it out sometime.
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Haven't rented it yet but there's a cheaper re-release coming out in Japan soon: http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B00GCPEYCC
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