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Since it appears that Blu-ray will be the HDM disc standard/format, will the DVD forum now recognize Blu-ray as their HDM format and retire HD DVD ?

If this happens in the near future, does this mean we may see Combo discs for Blu-ray releases ?

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I hope we DO NOT see combo DVD/Blu-ray discs. Combos on the HD-DVD side showed it was a totally disasterous decision.

Remember, the DVD Forum is still made up of a majority of Blu-ray disc supporters. They had to stay because of previous DVD royality contracts.

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The recent sales numbers combined with Warner's decision has made my path clear ... it's Blu-ray. I've always leaned in that direction, but never purchased a player.
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Since it appears that Blu-ray will be the HDM disc standard/format, will the DVD forum now recognize Blu-ray as their HDM format and retire HD DVD ?

They've never approved DVD+R, arguably a better format than their own DVD-R.

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Maybe Toshiba will join BDA while DVD Forum continues to manage DVD.

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The DVD forum will start working on the next format to replace Blu-ray maybe hologram discs, or even solid state disks. Solid state disk are already in the 146gb, 300gb, and 500gb range and are just a little bigger then laptop drives, but smaller then desktop drives around 3".

I already started to back up my a few HDDVDs to hardrives and then stream them to the PS3.
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Will the DVD forum now accept Blu-ray as their HDM format?

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I'm more curious about if they'll do something along the lines of a BD-50 and a DVD-5 pressed on the same side of a disc, rather than a combo disc. If they could do that and get studios to release movies in that format, it would help push DVD out of the picture a lot faster.

As to the DVD Forum, I have my doubts that they'll embrace it.

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I for one welcome our new Blu-Ray overlords.

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I'm more curious about if they'll do something along the lines of a BD-50 and a DVD-5 pressed on the same side of a disc, rather than a combo disc. If they could do that and get studios to release movies in that format, it would help push DVD out of the picture a lot faster.

As to the DVD Forum, I have my doubts that they'll embrace it.

The BD Hybrid failed twice - it doesn't exist.
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Maybe Toshiba will join BDA while DVD Forum continues to manage DVD.

This is most likely. Why does the Blu-ray need to be adopted by the DVD Forum? Blu-ray is already managed by the BDA. The DVD forum has run it's course - it will continue to manage DVD but the future is Blu-ray and the BDA runs that show.
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I hope Blu-Ray never has anything to do with the DVD forum. There's no reason why they can't be separate entities.

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BD was developed outside of the DVD Forum and was never submitted as a possible successor to DVD, so it's unlikely that BD will ever be an official DVD Forum format.
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On a side note I would love to be at the next DVD Forum meeting. I am guessing it is not going to be a happy room that day.
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On a side note I would love to be at the next DVD Forum meeting. I am guessing it is not going to be a happy room that day.

Not much different than the 9/12 meeting
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This is most likely. Why does the Blu-ray need to be adopted by the DVD Forum? Blu-ray is already managed by the BDA. The DVD forum has run it's course - it will continue to manage DVD but the future is Blu-ray and the BDA runs that show.

Exactly.

The BDA doesnt need the DVD forum. The DVD forum would like to have BR, but they don't need the BDA either.
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People get too caught up in this stuff, some of you must have an odd mental picture of the DVD forum. As others have pointed out the DVD forum is just a group of companies those companies (aside from Toshiba/MS/Universal/Paramount) are members of the BDA so in effect the DVD forum have supported Blu-ray for a long time already. When it comes to HD DVD, the DVD forum really has little say. HD DVD is Toshiba's baby and nothing to do with most of the companies on the forum
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People get too caught up in this stuff, some of you must have an odd mental picture of the DVD forum. As others have pointed out the DVD forum is just a group of companies those companies (aside from Toshiba/MS/Universal/Paramount) are members of the BDA so in effect the DVD forum have supported Blu-ray for a long time already. When it comes to HD DVD, the DVD forum really has little say. HD DVD is Toshiba's baby and nothing to do with most of the companies on the forum

Nope - you have it backwards. Some of the BDA companies are also DVD Forum Companies. The BDA came after the DVD Forum

There are hundreds of companies that belong to the DVD Forum. Much more than belong to the BDA.

And The DVD Forum controls DVD and HD DVD. Toshiba is a principal member - there are 19 others. They are called the Steering Committee

http://www.dvdforum.org/forum.shtml

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The DVD forum will start working on the next format to replace Blu-ray maybe hologram discs, or even solid state disks. Solid state disk are already in the 146gb, 300gb, and 500gb range and are just a little bigger then laptop drives, but smaller then desktop drives around 3".

I already started to back up my a few HDDVDs to hardrives and then stream them to the PS3.

That's what we need. A real next gen format. 4k, 12 bit color, 500gb discs, RealD.
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That's what we need. A real next gen format. 4k, 12 bit color, 500gb discs, RealD.

Even though 95% of TV sets arent 1080p, WE NEED 4K!!


Oops your argument, not mine.
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Even though 95% of TV sets arent 1080p, WE NEED 4K!!


Oops your argument, not mine.

I never discussed 1080p displays. I think I see the problem and you being on my ignore list will solve it.
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That's what we need. A real next gen format. 4k, 12 bit color, 500gb discs, RealD.

Already there. Called D-Cinema. Just buy a ticket when it comes out.

PS - you really think small. Try IMAX Digital . . . 10,900x8200 (called 11K)
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I never discussed 1080p displays. I think I see the problem and you being on my ignore list will solve it.

Nice!!! I am full of crap, so I am ignoring people who point it out.


To each his own I suppose.
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Maybe at the next meeting people will concentrate on what the DVD forum is all about... DVD not HDM.
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Isn't the DVD Forum pretty irrelevant now?
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The DVD Forum is still relevant for the DVD format, but it's becoming quite clear that the DVD format is now in late middle age and it will probably begin the final sunset before 2010.

Toshiba bet everything on HD DVD, and they lost. The future is Blu-Ray Disc Association, they are the "new" DVD Forum for HDM.
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Nope - you have it backwards. Some of the BDA companies are also DVD Forum Companies. The BDA came after the DVD Forum

There are hundreds of companies that belong to the DVD Forum. Much more than belong to the BDA.

And The DVD Forum controls DVD and HD DVD. Toshiba is a principal member - there are 19 others. They are called the Steering Committee

http://www.dvdforum.org/forum.shtml

We need facts . . . not misinformation.

Well, then you would be remiss if you failed to mention that Toshiba is the permanent chair of the Steering Committee, and that they had to pack the committee with their allies to force the HD DVD standard through the DVD Forum even though the major studios didn't want blue-violet lasers and the major CE manufacturers preferred the Blu-Ray disc proposed standard.

The BDA's nine Founding Members all have equal say in the direction of the BDA, unlike the DVD Forum. Which is pretty much why they broke off to found the BDA in the first place, because Toshiba was raking in the lion's share of royalties from the DVD standard and the other CE manufacturers got much, much less, a legacy of the agreement which averted a potential format war when DVD was going to be introduced. This time the other CE manufacturers took a stand that they would not be cut out of the royalties the way they were with DVD, and that is why there was a Red vs. Blu format war, because Toshiba was greedy and wanted to protect the DVD royalty cash cow.

But in the end poetic justice was served, and Blu-Ray's victory over HD DVD will guarantee all the CE manufacturers EXCEPT Toshiba will get their fair share of royalties from Blu-Ray disc.
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That's what we need. A real next gen format. 4k, 12 bit color, 500gb discs, RealD.

I think this is actually quite true. The real problem with hddvd or bd is that it is not a huge upgrade from upscaled dvd images from a visual standpoint and of course not much is changing from a format point of view either (still "dvds" so to speak).
I was never convinced that hd would replace dvd unless the studios forced it by not making dvds anymore and player prices were downright cheap...could be another 2-3 years for both to happen.

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Well, then you would be remiss if you failed to mention that Toshiba is the permanent chair of the Steering Committee, and that they had to pack the committee with their allies to force the HD DVD standard through the DVD Forum even though the major studios didn't want blue-violet lasers and the major CE manufacturers preferred the Blu-Ray disc proposed standard.

The BDA's nine Founding Members all have equal say in the direction of the BDA, unlike the DVD Forum. Which is pretty much why they broke off to found the BDA in the first place, because Toshiba was raking in the lion's share of royalties from the DVD standard and the other CE manufacturers got much, much less, a legacy of the agreement which averted a potential format war when DVD was going to be introduced. This time the other CE manufacturers took a stand that they would not be cut out of the royalties the way they were with DVD, and that is why there was a Red vs. Blu format war, because Toshiba was greedy and wanted to protect the DVD royalty cash cow.

But in the end poetic justice was served, and Blu-Ray's victory over HD DVD will guarantee all the CE manufacturers EXCEPT Toshiba will get their fair share of royalties from Blu-Ray disc.

Im not so sure your view of how the bd forum works is correct...but probably not many really do know the real story either
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