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post #1 of 128 Old 01-10-2008, 06:06 AM - Thread Starter
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I am sure many of you have read this...
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The HD digital distribution club just got a little bigger, as lossless audio distributor MusicGiants is launching its VideoGiants service with 250 movies from Paramount, and additional content from HDNet. Available in 1080p or 1080i WMV format, users can purchase the movies in 10-packs for $159 delivered via Seagate hard drives or, in a few months, one at a time via direct download to a home media server. After that, it can be viewed via the media PC or Media Extender (including Xbox 360). MusicGiants has been selling HD audio tracks to high end home theater owners via its network of dealers and installers for about two years, with plans to make this type of service available to the mass market soon. Still think the future of HD content is on shiny discs?

http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/0...deogiants.html

And because I currently have all my SD DVDs on a media server that streams to my old Xbox and PS3, I started to wonder...

Would you rather have your HD movies on Discs or on a home Media Server?
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I am sure many of you have read this...

http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/0...deogiants.html

And because I currently have all my SD DVDs on a media server that streams to my old Xbox and PS3, I started to wonder...

Would you rather have your HD movies on Discs or on a home Media Server?

Longterm? Both.

That would be the best, however, having been heavily into the HTPC side of HT for the last 8 years, I've gone back to purely disc based.

Too much time and effort to maintain a large library on the servers.
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There is no greater satasfaction (other than sex and eating) than opening a new product and holding it in your hands and having it on your shelf.
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Disc... drives/servers can fail and when they do it can be painful!
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I voted no - definitely prefer discs. However I probably wont have a choice going forward....
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Disc... drives/servers can fail and when they do it can be painful!

RAID - Redundant Arrays of Inexpensive Drives

You should try it.
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Ideally, I'd like them all loaded onto an Escient HD server (or equivalent) with the backup discs prominently displayed on my media shelf.

A crashing hard drive would make me cry if I didn't have the "reboot" software!

HD DVD, I hardly knew you....

The disc toll:
Blu: 85
Red: 107
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I love discs and will continue to buy them for the time being, but see the home server as the future.

The convenience and storage space (in both senses of the word) and overall financial savings potential of having a library of movies on a hard drive that can stream to anywhere I want in the house beats shelves of disc cases.

As a matter of fact I only listen to music in my home now through my 2 media extenders or networked PCs.
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I want my movies to be high quality and available to me at any time if I am going to "buy" them.

I want to pay the least amount of money to accomplish the above.

How that is done - I could care less.
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I spend too much money on DVDs and Blu-Rays but one of the nice things about disc media is the ability to easily loan it to friends. I am sure its possible to loan out digital copies of movies from a home server but with discs it easier (currently).
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Why not a "both" option?

I want both - a physical disk that will play no matter what happens to the format in the future. Something that isn't dependent on a "service" being there forever.

But I want to be able to copy them to a media server...
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I am also want 'both'.

One thing I really like about BD is the high bitrate and lossless audio, so far all of the HD download services I have seen limit both, even though the resolution is still high. Plus I haven't seen any that come in a format that is easily used on multiple devices (unless that content is liberated, and possibly illegal).

edit: fwiw, I use networked DVD streaming and love it, if I can get great high-bandwidth content and hq audio streamed over the network I am all about it. As long as I own the content and don't have to pay per view.
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well, servers and VoD are a convenient way to watch a movie. at this point though, the bandwidth allotted by isp's are not fast enough to download an 8 GB movie file in minutes or even one hour. i prefer to have the quality of disc's and all of the extra's that are on said disc over the silghtly lowered quality of downloadable movies (and the 4 to 6 hour download time. that's how long it takes to download a movie on the xbox live video marketplace with a 10mbps connection.)
put me down for both. *disc for now, both in future*
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The true answer is that we want it on discs so we can put them on a media server.
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The true answer is that we want it on discs so we can put them on a media server.

Yep, likewise. I rip my DVDs and I put it to my linux box. It's very convinient to watch from a media server. If it's ok, put a new option #4 there.

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Longterm? Both.

That would be the best, however, having been heavily into the HTPC side of HT for the last 8 years, I've gone back to purely disc based.

Too much time and effort to maintain a large library on the servers.

I agree. Both should be an option.

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Rent - Both (keeping in mind that sacrifices have to be made in quality for downloadable movies - either that, or they'll take forEVER to download)

Buy - Disc
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Why not a "both" option?

I want both - a physical disk that will play no matter what happens to the format in the future. Something that isn't dependent on a "service" being there forever.

But I want to be able to copy them to a media server...

exactly, which is why i won't be investing a lot in hdm now. they are making that as difficult as possible. they could have made a system to allow this legally, but instead they lock the content on the disc with as much drm as possible.

if the hdd craps out you have the disc already so you can reinstall. imo that would have been better then download only situation.

having failed to convert my friends and family to hdm (due to warner decision) i am now going to focus my hobby time on helping them setup media servers.

i think they will be much happier with that anyway since i am the only one interested in the pq/aq on bd/hd dvd.
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I agree. Both should be an option.

I tried to add another option, but for some reason it won't let me. Sorry.
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RAID - Redundant Arrays of Inexpensive Drives

You should try it.


I use RAID 5 in my PC, three 400GB SATA-II drives for a total formatted capacity of about 750GB (w/RAID 5, you lose the capacity of one drive for parity, even though parity is not put on a dedicated drive). If the video plus audio for an HD digitially distributed movie averages about 20GB, that would allow me to store about 37 movies on my RAID array if it's used for that media storage only. I have 100 HD movies right now, so it would take over 2 terabytes to store them.

Another problem for me with digital delivery is that Comcast monitors bandwidth usage for its broadband customers. They don't advertise what the limits are, but I've seen a number of Comcast customers complaining online about having their broadband suspended for using too much bandwidth. One user said he was notified that his usage was 200GB for a month, and was warned that he could be suspended if that level continued. I know Comcast is a large broadband ISP, but I don't know how many other broadband providers also have hidden limits.

Let's say that some HD digital delivery service has a sale on HD content similar to the B1G1 that Amazon did on HDM in December. I bought 16 HD DVDs and BDs. At an average of 20GB per movie, I would have used 320GB of bandwidth, not counting any other Internet activity that month, and could have been putting myself at risk for suspension. I also use VoIP phone service, so that would have really hurt me. My only other option for broadband is Windstream DSL from Alltel, for since I don't have a landline phone, that's not a good option. I don't know if they have any sort of bandwidth usage limits. And I'm not even taking into account how long it takes to download 20GB of data, even over a 6Mbit/second connection.

So, digital delivery can bring its own set of problems. I don't ever want to see it supplant physical discs, unless storage, compression technology and broadband bandwith get to the point where it's not so inconvenient and time-consuming to do them. Plus, there is something nice about having the physical case, insert, media, etc.
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RAID - Redundant Arrays of Inexpensive Drives

You should try it.

Correction:

Redundant Array of Independent Discs

They changed that a long while back.
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Correction:

Redundant Array of Independent Discs

They changed that a long while back.

Yes, but I like the original definition, because drives are so cheap.
Its funny because when the term was adopted, drives were very expensive compared to today, and now that they are inexpensive, people want to change th acronym!
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I am hoping for a netflix like service that allows me to pay 15 bucks a month to watch an entire catalog over and over. I do believe netflix is working with cable providers to bring such a service. That IMO would rock.
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I chose the comedy option :P
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I am hoping for a netflix like service that allows me to pay 15 bucks a month to watch an entire catalog over and over. I do believe netflix is working with cable providers to bring such a service. That IMO would rock.

Same
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How about both?

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Well for one, thats a lot of hardware. If you are talking a media server that holds hundreds of movies at 25GB+ each?

To hold 200 movies at 25GB each would be 5TB. A raid on that? Not that inexpensive. Plus you need media extenders on each TV, and a network path.

People dont want to run Ethernet cables everywhere, and Wifi isnt perfect yet(interfrence/distance issues). Then you need wifi on each machine, thats not near an ethernet port, and you have to run Wifi set up... which isnt "That easy" with security these days.

As savy as you are, I am sure this stuff seems easy. But to the average person, that might be too difficult. (so is firmware updating, that needs to be worked on too)

Does the average person know what RAID is?

I dont think we are "there" yet. Really what we need is... Hmmm, anyone know how I can patent an idea?
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Both. Media Server for playback, but disc for backup (and restore if something happens to media server).

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...Really what we need is... ...

$5 discs then people can just toss them out if they want to after watching.
no investment there to care about.
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No need for RAID. 1 TB external drives using USB 2.0 are now at good prices ~$300. Very simple for a PC user to hook up, disconnect, and swap with another external hard drive (if the user wants to archive).
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