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post #1 of 18 Old 01-15-2008, 11:55 PM - Thread Starter
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After reading a ton of threads on this site and having my own experience with HDM. I'm now of the opinion that no format will win until it defeats the the current reigning champion, DVD.

Even if ever studio went blue tomorrow. It would still take 5 years at least to kill DVD.
Even if they stopped making DVDs tomorrow there would most likely still be enough for many years to come.
Not to mention the installed user base. I have 8 dvd players in my home alone.
I can't imagine Blockbuster, Family video (which still has some vhs) or netflicks getting rid of there vast collections any time soon.

5 years is a very long time in the tech industry.
HDM is nice but it since it is only a marginal improvement over DVD, I don't see it pushing dvd out of the market until HDM prices are the same as current
DVD prices. That is including all of the 3 for 20 type packs and all the other ins and outs and what have yous.
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Define marginal, because from my standpoint, the difference is more than marginal. The only dvds I purchase now are those priced $10 and under. Anything above that, forget about it.
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Oh good, another HDM is dead thread. I was worried -- it's been hours.

Couldn't this insight have been posted in one of the countless threads on the same subject?
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Blu-ray does not need to kill DVD. Why should I care if DVD survives or not? I just want to own lots of HD movies -- the same way that I owned DVD movies in the past. HDM is only a marginal improvement over over DVD if you don't have the eyes and ears and equipment to appreciate the difference. Blu-ray is a high end complement to DVD the same way that a Ferrari is a high end complement to a Honda. Do you really think that the folks at Ferrari obsess over the success of Honda?
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HDM is an enormous impovement over DVD. It is not even close.

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marginal = slight, as in not drastic.

I'm not saying HDM does not have merit. I dig it.
But the improvement is not going to be enough to drive adoption by the masses.
This is not a discussion about ones formats abilities over another as much as it about how do you drive DVD out of the market.
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Oh good, another HDM is dead thread. I was worried -- it's been hours.

Couldn't this insight have been posted in one of the countless threads on the same subject?


There is always someone who complains of this type of thing.
But this is a discussion forum, they churn constantly.
And to answer your question yes, but i didn't.
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There is always someone who complains of this type of thing.
But this is a discussion forum, they churn constantly.
And to answer your question yes, but i didn't.

Not when new posts address new topics. But complaints are warranted when a topic has been discussed at great length in many many threads, some on which have been locked.

If the answer is "yes," then the discussion should continue in one of those many threads. The proliferation of theads on the same topic makes AVS difficult to read and navigate, and leads to pointless redundant discussions.
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Blu-ray does not need to kill DVD. Why should I care if DVD survives or not? I just want to own lots of HD movies -- the same way that I owned DVD movies in the past. HDM is only a marginal improvement over over DVD if you don't have the eyes and ears and equipment to appreciate the difference. Blu-ray is a high end complement to DVD the same way that a Ferrari is a high end complement to a Honda. Do you really think that the folks at Ferrari obsess over the success of Honda?


Not a very favorable comparison really. Since I see Hondas everywhere and only see Ferrari's on lakeshore drive. Ferrari while successful, when based on numbers alone would be considered a niche market.

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Who really cares. This is a high definition content discussion forum. Take your "DVD is champion" argument to a forum that cares.
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Not when new posts address new topics. But complaints are warranted when a topic has been discussed at great length in many many threads, some on which have been locked.

If the answer is "yes," then the discussion should continue in one of those many threads. The proliferation of theads on the same topic makes AVS difficult to read and navigate, and leads to pointless redundant discussions.

Well they you are excused from having to bump my thread if it bothers you so much.

This whole area is pointless and is here merely to spawn discussion.
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Who really cares. This is a high definition content discussion forum. Take your "DVD is champion" argument to a forum that cares.

Wait, what?

Almost every thread I have read in this area is about blue vs red vs Download, blah blah blah.
That the customer is confused or can't/won't buy in until there is a clear winner in the HDM format wars.

I think that is clearly BS.

Even if there is a clear winner getting people to adopt a new format over a well established format is going to be very difficult.
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I see HDM and DVD coexisting mostly with no real "switch" as we saw with VHS -> DVD. This is mostly due to the backwards compatibility of HDM players and HDTV penetration.

By the time HDM finally starts becoming the majority, digital downloads will finally reach the point where they just make more sense than any disc based format, and that will be that.

I just want to see HDM plentiful and healthy... I don't see why it must totally and utterly destroy DVD for me to enjoy it.
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Who cares.
HDM is here to stay even if it doesnt completely take over SD media.

45% of America has an HDTV, assuming at least half those people would like to take advantage of the HD part of their TV theres no choice but for both DVD and Blu Rays to coexist.
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I don't see why it must totally and utterly destroy DVD for me to enjoy it.

It doesn't. I would never presume to tell anyone what they can or can not enjoy.

This is merely a discussion of the proliferation of hdm versus dvd.
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Who cares.
HDM is here to stay even if it doesnt completely take over SD media.

45% of America has an HDTV, assuming at least half those people would like to take advantage of the HD part of their TV theres no choice but for both DVD and Blu Rays to coexist.

Do you have a source for your percentage?
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The key for me is to have as many many of the movies on my list available on BD. That's been the thought in my mind since the day a highdef shiny disk was announced.

I'm primarily talking LotR, Star Wars set, AlienQuadrilogy, Indy, and a bunch of more obscure movies that I happen to enjoy a lot (any fans of Rocky Horror?). As long as they show up in highdef, I pretty much got all I wanted from HDM.

It's safe to say that henceforth, all big DVD releases will have day & date versions, and for the others not on Blu-Ray, I can choose to buy the other format, or I can choose to wait longer. It doesn't matter, either way, I get the movies in highdef, which is all that's important here.
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Well they you are excused from having to bump my thread if it bothers you so much.

This whole area is pointless and is here merely to spawn discussion.

Here's several existing threads on the topic that you can add your two cents too. No one is saying don't post your thoughts, just please add them to the appropriate existing thread on the same/similar topic

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&highlight=dvd

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&highlight=dvd

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5&highlight=SD

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6&highlight=SD

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8&highlight=SD

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4&highlight=SD

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6&highlight=SD

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