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I will be posting a colorful PDF with most of the HDL-2000 discs released.

In fact, I'm compiling a ton of Hi-Vision and a few HDVS literature to make available for download to anyone that wants it. This thread inspired me to finally do it.

Anyone want to host the downloads? They'll be quite large.

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Jet-X, I can't wait to see the PDF - please email me a copy once you have it done.

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TKMEDIA2 - this stuff is GREAT!!!! You actually own all this equipment, right?

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Not the HDL-5800. The HDV-10, I only have 2 tapes and can not find any more affordable blanks. The HDD-1000 I have a number of misc reels that seem to be the same as the LaserDisc masters. ones that mention "Mastered from High Definition transfer" on the LD jacket.

I'm used to working with 2" quadruplex, so HDVS reels are not that troublesome to me. I also used to edit with a Sony BVH-3000 which is almost exactly the same layout as the HDD-1000 and only requires minor adjustment.
http://216.235.250.154/hatbay/images...ny_BVH3000.jpg

Funny that the HDDP-1000 processor for feature it list "compact"!
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I remember when Sony closed down their High Definition Center in Culver City. Talk about a 'rape and pillage', the stuff I found there (and bought). I got me a HDM2830 monitor (they had stacks), the had pretty much everything above in TK's post for sale. And the MUSE Hi-Vision collection, I came across - let me just say that my SUV was overflowing with stuff.

The even had brand new G90s, but they were keeping them. They were 80% done with the 'directors' rooms (individual studios with G90s, multiple $30k 30" monitors, full sound mixing suites, etc) when Sony elected to shut it down. My buddy even went to buy the Phillips Spirit they had until I talked him out of it.

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Disclord, I have a ton of brochures and literature to put up - ton's of NEC Fish Club materials, Sony HDVS, Pioneer and Sony laserdisc brochures, and a helluva lot more.

I'm even (don't ask - but what the hell) compiling a 'virtual' catalog of ALL MUSE discs released in a PDF format complete with specs. The damn format is dead, yet I'm still excited by it. Well - I'll have another set up on loan briefly next month to capture all the non-movie discs and MPEG2 encode them for archive.

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TK, which HDL-2000 laserdiscs do you own? I'm trying to compile a complete list (and many aren't in any Sony literature). Looking for catalog ID + title.

For the rest of you (give it about an hour), I've made one zip file with a ton of Hi-Vision brochures including the NEC Fish Club brochures.

http://www.jet-x.com/brian/MUSE.zip 200MB, will be up for 48 hours only (too large to store and have tons of downloads).


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Man some of those boxes have some serious fanage! That HDDP 1000 VTR processor is rated at 1200w power consumption! WOW!
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Thanks for the PDFs Jet-X!!

I just love this stuff. Makes you dream of all this fantastic equipment which is still not affordable and probably never will be

Wish I had an X0 or X9...

I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered.

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TK, which HDL-2000 laserdiscs do you own? I'm trying to compile a complete list (and many aren't in any Sony literature). Looking for catalog ID + title.

For the rest of you (give it about an hour), I've made one zip file with a ton of Hi-Vision brochures including the NEC Fish Club brochures.

http://www.jet-x.com/brian/MUSE.zip 200MB, will be up for 48 hours only (too large to store and have tons of downloads).


Working on one giant master catalog now that has all discs.

I'm downloading right now - please don't kill it before I'm done downloading! I was out of town from last Thursday till Monday morning and then had to put one of my dearest cats to sleep yesterday... so I haven't been on AVS Forum for quite a few days.

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No worries - waiting for TK to respond (in case he wants to download) before I kill the file.

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It is not just movie support. BR is a viable alternative to HD DVD. There really was nothing comparable to LD until DVD came out. The closest was VCD, but that was soo inferior in many different levels.

I am not an Bluray fan by any means, but BR is basically the same movie with a different menu structure and physical media.

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Here's where I disagree with you. If Toshiba gets another million players out there, that's more than two million reasons for HD-DVD to survive. From a business standpoint it simply makes sense, at least for a while.

What does HD DVD have to offer at this point?

My mom works for Sony, and she brought home a copy of "Starhawk BETA"
I quickly slipped it into my trusty PS3, and started playing.


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I still think Sony has a 50/50 chance of blowing this one all on their own here.
Tosh, should deifently keep HD-DVD in their back pocket here.


I have to say,, I am an abid longest of long term LD'r and I felt about 2" tall in this highly educational thread. I give my uttmost thanks to all those that went out their way to share this old information for us still interested.
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I assume the OP's original discussion points are moot at this point given that it's all wrapped up now. However, I must say tk's toys are extremely compelling, and he currently has more esoteric video toys than anyone else I know of.

It's been a long time since we saw printouts with so many hard numbers. Especially with dB numbers within the context of SNR and distortion.
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While I was visiting my folks in Albuquerque last week I found two Panasonic LaserDisc brochures - one for the Panasonic Prism LX-1000 and the other for the non-Prism model (the number escapes me)... should I post 'em? I also found a little Sony book called "10 Questions about DAT" and a cool Mitsubishi Big-Screen book plus a Technics MASH technical (consumer) paper and a Sony DSP consumer tech brochure... oh, and a whole bunch of early Fosgate brochures, like for the 3602 and stuff. Oh, another brochure I brought back with me was for the Theta DATA Universal Transport.

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Some excellent finds there I was drooling over some of that, now vintage gear.

Pioneer’s television demonstration. With extracts using Pioneer’s early Synthesized Surround Processor with films like, Apocalypse Now, Poltergeist, Octopussy, Fame, King Kong (1976) Raiders of the Lost Ark and Dolly in London, now that’s quite a bust.

Some of these videos run for 30 minutes.

1984 Pioneer Laserdisc demo with Devo
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...arch&plindex=0

Hosted by Patrick O’Neal demonstration is brief history from the early days of sound recording though to the present day. Also a more practical demonstration

Laserdisc: What It Is and How It Works
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...arch&plindex=3

Kate Bush - Cloudbusting (Laserdisc version) With Donald Sutherland
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Pioneer's television demonstration. With extracts using Pioneer's early Synthesized Surround Processor with films like, Apocalypse Now, Poltergeist, Octopussy, Fame, King Kong (1976) Raiders of the Lost Ark and Dolly in London, now that's quite a bust.

Are you talking about Pioneer SP-101 surround processor with Bass Synthesizer? I used to own that processor together with the Dynamic Expander from Pioneer (can't remember the name but it's the one with three LED(?) bars with low-mid-hi controls.

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Are you talking about Pioneer SP-101 surround processor with Bass Synthesizer? I used to own that processor together with the Dynamic Expander from Pioneer (can't remember the name but it's the one with three LED(?) bars with low-mid-hi controls.

That Pioneer demo disc, with Devo, uses the Dolly In London clip in such a slimy way - Dolly In London was recorded in multitrack and then remixed into SQ Quadraphonic with a CBS SQ Position Encoder by Gary Reber and Wes Ruggles - the VHS and Beta Hi-Fi tapes even had little blurbs about the Tate/SQ Encoding. Pioneer, for the demo on the disc, completely changed the 'explosions' on the Dolly clip so that they came out of the surround channels - the actual disc isn't mixed like that AT ALL - so someone buying their Surround Synthesizer and playing the Dolly disc wouldn't get the effect the demo gave. Kinda shoddy of Pioneer. BTW, David Bowie Serious Moonlight is also SQ Quadraphonic Encoded and sounds great played through a Fosgate Tate II SQ Decoder or a Space and Image Composer... The older Full-Wave Matching Logic decoders like the Sony SQD-2020 will also work OK, but won't give the 'discrete' sounding performance that the Tate DES based decoders will.

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That Pioneer demo disc, with Devo, uses the Dolly In London clip in such a slimy way - Dolly In London was recorded in multitrack and then remixed into SQ Quadraphonic with a CBS SQ Position Encoder by Gary Reber and Wes Ruggles - the VHS and Beta Hi-Fi tapes even had little blurbs about the Tate/SQ Encoding. Pioneer, for the demo on the disc, completely changed the 'explosions' on the Dolly clip so that they came out of the surround channels - the actual disc isn't mixed like that AT ALL - so someone buying their Surround Synthesizer and playing the Dolly disc wouldn't get the effect the demo gave. Kinda shoddy of Pioneer. BTW, David Bowie Serious Moonlight is also SQ Quadraphonic Encoded and sounds great played through a Fosgate Tate II SQ Decoder or a Space and Image Composer... The older Full-Wave Matching Logic decoders like the Sony SQD-2020 will also work OK, but won't give the 'discrete' sounding performance that the Tate DES based decoders will.

Oh, cheers mate that would be useful information to the Dolly fans and SQ fans as well. I wonder if there is talk about this over at the Quad surround forums.

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Are you talking about Pioneer SP-101 surround processor with Bass Synthesizer? I used to own that processor together with the Dynamic Expander from Pioneer (can't remember the name but it's the one with three LED(?) bars with low-mid-hi controls.

I wouldn’t know mate? I only saw it in the video link and thou this was within the same timeline as early Dolby surround or later Dolby pro-logic processors where on the market. There where still a handful of major manufactures still producing there own surround decoder.
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Oh, cheers mate that would be useful information to the Dolly fans and SQ fans as well. I wonder if there is talk about this over at the Quad surround forums.



I wouldn't know mate? I only saw it in the video link and thou this was within the same timeline as early Dolby surround or later Dolby pro-logic processors where on the market. There where still a handful of major manufactures still producing there own surround decoder.

I don't know why Pioneer didn't include the Tate/SQ Encoding blurb on the LD releases of Dolly In London and Bowie Serious Moonlight - but SQ encoded they are! One LD that DID have the Tate/SQ Surround Stereo logo was the Marilyn Chambers porno film "Insatiable-II" - The jacket features it quite prominently! Guess Reber felt Porn-o-phonic Sound was the 'next thing'... I "think" Kenny Loggins Alive! (Coked up?) is also SQ Encoded, but I'm not sure.

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I don't know why Pioneer didn't include the Tate/SQ Encoding blurb on the LD releases of Dolly In London and Bowie Serious Moonlight - but SQ encoded they are! One LD that DID have the Tate/SQ Surround Stereo logo was the Marilyn Chambers porno film "Insatiable-II" - The jacket features it quite prominently!

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Guess Reber felt Porn-o-phonic Sound was the 'next thing'... I "think" Kenny Loggins Alive! (Coked up?) is also SQ Encoded, but I'm not sure.

LOL Bugger me! Porn-o-phonic Sound! I don't fancy Kenny Loggins buggering me! LOL Over the sofa with Porn-o-phonic Sound! LOL

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LOL Bugger me! Porn-o-phonic Sound! I don't fancy Kenny Loggins buggering me! LOL Over the sofa with Porn-o-phonic Sound! LOL


HA! HA! HA! You TOTALLY brightened my day... I was feeling like it all was just a mugs game and your post made me laugh out loud!

Thanks a bunch.

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