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Doesn't the DVD Forum have to formally, with votes and such, declare HD DVD discontinued as a format before it can be declared dead? Why is it dead just because Toshiba says so?

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Doesn't the DVD Forum have to formally, with votes and such, declare HD DVD discontinued as a format before it can be declared dead? Why is it dead just because Toshiba says so?

I was wondering the same.
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Doesn't the DVD Forum have to formally, with votes and such, declare HD DVD discontinued as a format before it can be declared dead? Why is it dead just because Toshiba says so?

Well maybe the DVD forum can find somebody to produce players, studios to support it, and retailers to promote it? They haven't helped out with this yet so I doubt they'll start now. So to answer your question, when 100% of the hardware support is abandoned, its dead.
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Let it go dude, let it go.

With Toshiba being the only significant hardware maker and the remaining studios announcing Blu support it's a moot point.
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I don't think the formats been "voted" dead but just sweeped under the rug and forgoten about. Kinda like some one droping out of a election. Folks remember him but don't recall what they did then. All the focus is on the other guy now.
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No vendors making Hardware + no studios producing Software = Dead

With that said, I will continue to enjoy my A2 and handful of discs.
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No vendors making Hardware + no studios producing Software = Dead

With that said, I will continue to enjoy my A2 and handful of discs.

Why its dead, didn't you hear?
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IT'S DEAD!!

So, are you saying that I shouldn't pull the trigger on that HD-A2 that Amazon has for sale for $399??

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If you bought into HD DVD fine, but don't expect another manufacturer to come to your rescue so you can keep playing your discs when Toshiba's support goes away. The market is far to small for any CE to be interested.
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Doesn't the DVD Forum have to formally, with votes and such, declare HD DVD discontinued as a format before it can be declared dead? Why is it dead just because Toshiba says so?

It's dead, Jim.

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The DVD Forum hasn't declared HD-DVD dead, but it is.

The DVD Forum doesn't back blu-ray, but blu-ray lives.

So what purpose does the DVD Forum serve??

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Doesn't the DVD Forum have to formally, with votes and such, declare HD DVD discontinued as a format before it can be declared dead? Why is it dead just because Toshiba says so?

DVD Forum's job is to create a specification. It has no commercialization activity. It is therefore up to individual companies to choose to build products based on it. And Toshiba is choosing to not do that anymore.

Put another way, some company could pick up the specs and have a go at it.

The only complication will be that there may not be a patent pool for it, so getting IP licensing may become difficult.

Good/fun question by the way, even though its practical implications are low .

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So what purpose does the DVD Forum serve??

You would be amazed at how much minutia it still deals with when it comes to DVD. 90% of the meetings I used to attend had nothing to do with HD DVD. This is also (ostensibly) why folks from the other comp still hang out there.

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Just to add an example of something useful to my previous post, there is a lot of work around EST, or electronic sell through. This is you downloading content, and burning your own DVD....

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Just to add an example of something useful to my previous post, there is a lot of work around EST, or electronic sell through. This is you downloading content, and burning your own DVD....

I would like to see this, in HD.

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Doesn't the DVD Forum have to formally, with votes and such, declare HD DVD discontinued as a format before it can be declared dead?

No, there is certainly no legal requirement for that and there really isn't any need for a DVD Forum vote to declare HD DVD dead.


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Why is it dead just because Toshiba says so?

Well the main reasons are because Toshiba was the only major CE company making stand alone HD DVD players which they are no longer going to make, the lack of retail support it was going to have by this summer, and because both Paramount and Universal are going to support Blu-ray.
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If you bought into HD DVD fine, but don't expect another manufacturer to come to your rescue so you can keep playing your discs when Toshiba's support goes away. The market is far to small for any CE to be interested.

Absolutely false. LG still makes HD-DVD/BD combo players as HP still makes HD-DVD PC/HTPC drives. So there are still hardware CEs

And to answer the OPs question: Toshiba was the presidential CE of the HD-DVD forum. They were the heart and soul of HD-DVD so they do not need any voting for it to be acclaimed dead.

They spoke with all the HD-DVD partner companies and movie studios however.

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Hell, HD-DVD was weeks before Toshiba admitted it.

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Put another way, some company could pick up the specs and have a go at it.

The only complication will be that there may not be a patent pool for it, so getting IP licensing may become difficult.

That is interesting. What has changed with regard to the IPR pool? Let's say, a company (like e.g. LG) would like to continue offering PC drives with HD-DVD read support (which purportedly isn't much more expensive to manufacture than a pure BD-ROM), what kind of licensing conditions could they expect in the future?
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It's not dead,

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I think the DVD Forum is going to concentrate on the continued domination of DVD sales in comparison to Bluray. The convenience factor of playing one in your car, portable player, bedroom, and conversion on your PC for ipod/PSP use will still trump Bluray's attractive features for the next several years.
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The two meeting that will be held this week plus the creation of a new Working Group:

http://www.dvdforum.org/format-vtf.htm

http://www.dvdforum.org/about-genmeet08.htm

http://www.dvdforum.org/popup8.htm
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It's dead, Jim.

lol that says it all
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