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post #271 of 354 Old 03-03-2010, 03:44 AM
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Yeah, the movie is a stinker but I'm watching for A/V reasons only. You moved the subs with an Oppo BD83? How? I tried holding down the subtitle button for 3 seconds and the OSD came up, when I moved it up and down, nothing changed.
It's actually the first time I've tried to use the feature; did I do something wrong?

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If it doesn't work, update your firmware.

Are their subtitles in this film when watching the English version??

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If it doesn't work, update your firmware.

If this is the first time Maestro has tried this and it didn't work, I'm guessing he doesn't have the latest firmware.

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Are their subtitles in this film when watching the English version??

From what I understand (haven't seen the movie myself), there are a few scenes with characters speaking languages other than English.

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5 seconds...

If it doesn't work, update your firmware.

Are their subtitles in this film when watching the English version??

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If this is the first time Maestro has tried this and it didn't work, I'm guessing he doesn't have the latest firmware.



From what I understand (haven't seen the movie myself), there are a few scenes with characters speaking languages other than English.

I do have the latest firmware, otherwise it wouldn't be an option for me, right?
I figured out what happened. For some reason the "on the fly" adjustment did not work. I had to go into my setup and change it and then reload the movie. That worked. Not sure why the "on the fly" didn't work.
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I figured out what happened. For some reason the "on the fly" adjustment did not work. I had to go into my setup and change it and then reload the movie. That worked. Not sure why the "on the fly" didn't work.

Weird. Glad you got it to work.

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Ugggh, yup, subtitles are in both picture and letterbox and the Oppo couldn't fix it on this one.
Way to go Sony! Glad you took our feedback and changed your policy in regards to subtitles in the letterbox area.

Interesting...I was able to move them into the picture area when I ripped my disk to an MKV file.

Edit: Ahh I see you got it fixed...Good!

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Please add PUSH [Blu-ray Disc, Region B] to the list as CIH safe.

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Anyone know about the "fixed" theatrical subtitles for LET THE RIGHT ONE IN on BD? I see it's on the "safe" list, but I just watched the Netflix downloadable version (which I thought was taken from the same master for DVD and BD), and the subtitles were outside 2.35:1 on top and below the frame! I want to buy this BD, and I have the excellent Oppo subtitle shift... but I can't do anything about it if the subs are out above AND below.

Someone please confirm that this title is safe... with the "theatrical subs".

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Ok this is going to cause a stir *get the big wooden paddle ready *
Even though AVATAR is 1.78:1 on BD, it should be included as CIH safe (the same as THE DARK NIGHT and TRANSFORMERS 2) those wanting to watch this film in Scope can because A the framing actually works, and B the sub titles are positioned well into the frame so will not be clipped nor have to be moved.


When it comes to cropping this film from its OAR of 1.78:1, could there be a better line of text?
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Anyone know if the first 3 Indiana Jones films have any english subtitles at anytime in the films? I was going to pick up the Laser Disc versions of these films but can't remember if the the films do or don't have any enlish subs.

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Anyone know if the first 3 Indiana Jones films have any english subtitles at anytime in the films?

The only STs that come to mind are the dates which are well into the picture.

Why LD? Why not the DVDs which look and sound great BTW? A BD player will shift the STs on a DVD up anyway and why the STAR WARS films now work for CIH.

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The only STs that come to mind are the dates which are well into the picture.

Why LD? Why not the DVDs which look and sound great BTW? A BD player will shift the STs on a DVD up anyway and why the STAR WARS films now work for CIH.



I don't want to buy the dvd's because of cost as I am willing to wait for the blu-rays. I just picked up an ld-w1 laserdisc player for nostalgia reasons mostly and just want a few flicks to play on it most of the time. I had these back in the day on LD but regret selling them.

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So do you have an external scaler? LD is a 4 x 3 format, so will not scale for CIH without assistance.

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I have a Lumagen HDP.

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I have a Lumagen HDP.

Ok, however a scaler won't shift subtitles as it does not recognize the difference between the actual video and an overlay bitmap. Also with LD (being analogue), the STs are part of the image, so there is no option to move them anyway.

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Thanks for the very interesting explanation. I always learn so much from your posts in this CIH forum. I plan on watching LD on the 4x3 portion of my screen. I rented the Indiana Jones trilogy on dvd and even they looked like crap from my viewing distance using scope.

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I rented the Indiana Jones trilogy on dvd and even they looked like crap from my viewing distance using scope.

They can only work with what they have. I agree some parts were not the best, however the overall PQ was better than the LD (I only have Last Crusade on LD) I have.

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Please add the classic WW2 movie A Bridge Too Far to the CIH safe list.
2.35:1 aspect ratio with subtitles inside the picture.
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The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (Blu-Ray) is CIH safe.
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A Single Man -- a Sony disc -- has one scene with Spanish dialogue. English subtitles are inside the picture!

So, apparently it took them a year since hosting that poll, but they finally got around to taking action on this.

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So, apparently it took them a year since hosting that poll, but they finally got around to taking action on this.

Does this mean we might see a heap of double dip re-releases from them?

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Does this mean we might see a heap of double dip re-releases from them?

I predict a 0% chance of that happening.

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I predict a 0% chance of that happening.

Really?

There is at least one SONY title that has ST position in the menu - where the option for higher position is labeled "projector". Sorry I can not recall the name of the film right now. I've not seen the entire film yet, however the part I did watch (it is a period piece) and uses classical (Mozart?) music during a battle sequence where cannon balls tear through a luxurious home.

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Really?

There is at least one SONY title that has ST position in the menu - where the option for higher position is labeled "projector". Sorry I can not recall the name of the film right now. I've not seen the entire film yet, however the part I did watch (it is a period piece) and uses classical (Mozart?) music during a battle sequence where cannon balls tear through a luxurious home.

I believe you're thinking of Immortal Beloved. Sony did that as a test, and then decided that it was too much of a hassle and never followed through again.

It was a long, hard battle to get them to change their subtitle position policy for titles going forward. There'd be very little financial return for the company to start reissuing old titles just to fix subtitle placement.

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I believe you're thinking of Immortal Beloved.

Thanks Josh, yes that is it. Maybe all titles should have been done this way from the beginning.

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Thanks Josh, yes that is it. Maybe all titles should have been done this way from the beginning.

There's a lot of things they should have done but didn't. We were lucky it only took them a year to follow through on their promise to fix the subtitle position on new releases. Let's hope they don't forget again and lapse back to the old policy.

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There's a lot of things they should have done but didn't. We were lucky it only took them a year to follow through on their promise to fix the subtitle position on new releases. Let's hope they don't forget again and lapse back to the old policy.

Yes lets hope. Whilst we are at it, can we hope for a true anamorphic transfer too? How many posts did we need to get the ST shifted? And would that be possible for Scaled images too?

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Yes lets hope. Whilst we are at it, can we hope for a true anamorphic transfer too? How many posts did we need to get the ST shifted? And would that be possible for Scaled images too?

I had to practically beat people over the head to get them to understand why the subtitle position needed to be bumped up a notch. That's a change that cost the studio absolutely nothing to accomplish. Even after agreeing, it took them a year to actually do anything. Had there been an expense of even 1/100th of a penny, it wouldn't have happened. Warner Bros. still refuses to even consider the issue.

There is an incredible inertia and resistance to change at these studios, unless something can be quantifiably proven to bring them a significant financial return.

Anamophic transfers just aren't going to happen on Blu-ray. The Blu-ray hardware spec doesn't support downconversion to standard letterbox, which would be required for everyone with a 16:9 display (in order words, 99.99999999999% of all Blu-ray viewers). The expense and logistics involved in mandating firmware updates for every single Blu-ray player, past and present, that has ever been sold, make this an impossibility.

Perhaps on the next video format...

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Hello.

I'm doubting they'll be anything but oppo, but I was wondering are there any "cheap" blu ray players that can do subtitle shift anytime soon (or get a firmware update). Excluding the Oppo models (I might get them later instead), but I'm asking this because I own a few Sony blu rays (Broken Embraces, The Class) that have subtitles in the black bar. Will they plan on any budget blu ray players to have this feature?
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Some Philips models can do subtitle shift. Philips did it before Oppo.
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Some Philips models can do subtitle shift. Philips did it before Oppo.

OPPO had been working on the feature for a very long time before it was ever implemented into a public release fw.
Because their players are so packed full of features and support so many formats and codecs, it's very difficult sometimes to implement a new feature, because it can easily screw up another feature in the process. So was the case with the sub shift feature.
So it's much easier for Philips to have implemented it into a more basic player. Not to take away from them doing it at all in the first place.
It's a huge deal that they did, but I don't think most people are even aware of it... not even CIH users.
Philips isn't exactly known for having the best consumer products on the market, though some of their higher end displays are quite nice.
They should have used the sub shift feature in a higher end player. It could have gotten a lot more attention that way.

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