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post #121 of 354 Old 04-19-2009, 07:05 AM
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Just watched TRANSSIBERIAN. Lotsa subtitles ....IN the picture

Not to turn this into a review thread - but very enjoyable mystery/thriller w/ Ben Kingsley and Woody Harrelson. Knockout performance by Emily Mortimer. I recommend it highly
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Just previewed We Were Soldiers on BD and the STs are in the picture.

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Dragon Wars BD. Highly entertaining, so a real pitty that the STs are half in the black bars

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Just watched TRANSSIBERIAN. Lotsa subtitles ....IN the picture

Now, see, here's a problem I have with this thread, currently I am going through all my BDs (some 450) and organising all the subtitle positioning on an excel sheet, not only for myself but also to post somewhere on here, but,

unfortunately MY version of TRANSSIBERIAN distributed by Filmax has the subs half into the black bars, making it a no go for 2.35:1 setups.

I'm afraid it will be awfully complicated to unravel all the possible versions of a film taking international distribution into account.

It's clear that this thread in particular is mainly concerned with subs on US and possibly UK BD discs.

My point is only to reiterate that this subtitle issue is a royal pain in the ass!
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My point is only to reiterate that this subtitle issue is a royal pain in the ass!

+ 1. Well said

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I'm thinking of going for a 2.35 setup and I'm carefully checking all my BD's. It seems that most of my BD's have the subtitle in the picture, about 80% of the movies I watched up until now had the english, SDH and international subtitles in the picture.

So I'm not worried, if it happens that a subtitle is in the black bars then I just turn it off. Or zoom out to 16:9

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Given the differences between regions, maybe those outside of region A should include what region the disc they have is in brackets: see example.

Pearl Harbor (B) on BD has STs in the picture.

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I'm afraid that maybe it should be even more specific than region, that we should be listing both region and distributors.

For instance my copy of the Edward Norton Incredible Hulk is distributed by Sony, and per Sony practice the subtitles when Ed is in Brasil falando em Portuguese are NOT scope friendly. My copy comes from Spain, but I believe that in the UK Hulk is distributed by Universal (as it is in most of the world), so the subs should be Scope friendly...

Both discs are region B Europe, but only the UK disc is OK for Scope.

Again, what a royal pain in the posterior.
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It could get alot more specific, but it all depends on everyone who submits titles to provide that info.
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Hey Chris,

Can you just confirm the SW films on DVD?

Star Wars: A New Hope DVD
Star Wars: Return of the Jedi DVD
Star Wars: The Phantom Menace DVD

I'm not sure about the region 1, but the R4 versions have the STs half in the picture and half in the black bars. BD players like Samsung 1500 and Panasonic BD35 shift the bitmap for these.

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I watched "the da vinci code" two days ago. Subs are sometimes in the black bars.


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I watched "the da vinci code" two days ago. Subs are sometimes in the black bars.

Can you please state if that is DVD or BD. It is known the DVD has this problem.

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Can you please state if that is DVD or BD. It is known the DVD has this problem.

Sorry CAVX, I forgot to specify.

It is the US Blu Ray edition. I am using a Sony BDP 550 on a 16x9 screen. Let me also add, I am in the process of adding an anamorphic lens (should be installed this year). I just noticed that half of the subs were in the black and half were in the picture. I don't think it should make a difference though on a 2.35 setup.


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This doesn't need to be added to the list, but I was watching '2010' on Blu-ray and there are a few scenes with Russian dialogue that isn't translated at all. I just wanted to spare people from shrinking down the image to 16:9 to check for subtitles that aren't even there, like I did.

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Hey Chris,

Can you just confirm the SW films on DVD?


Hi Mark,

I think you were asking the other Chris, but, I just checked and my R2 PAL version of Star Wars has the subs positioned scope friendly 100% inside the picture area.

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Mark, I have R1 special editions and original theatrical versions. The original theatrical versions are burned in subs that are NOT scope friendly. The special editions (and the prequel trilogy) on my system ARE scope friendly. I say on my system because I have read others who say this is not so with them. I have my special editions loaded into Sony ES 400 disc changers controlled by an Escient DVD management system. So that's a nice over-long answer for you. I think it may be hardware dependent but then again, I may be totally wrong.
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I think it may be hardware dependent but then again, I may be totally wrong.

On my system, this is the case. My earlier DVD player showed the STs half i half out and I used to use a Samsung HD950 with EZ-View to move (actually it stretched the picture behind) the STs for CIH. The PQ was not up to spec, and I was very pleasantly suprised to learn that my BD player shifts bitmaps STs. There is an image in my Sig that shows the effects of using the HD950 and I might add in the image I captured from the BD player.

I also found that the Lord Of The Rings trilogy can also be used on CIH now thanks to this player, but again, the Elvish transaltions are normally in the black bars.

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On my system, this is the case. My earlier DVD player showed the STs half i half out and I used to use a Samsung HD950 with EZ-View to move (actually it stretched the picture behind) the STs for CIH. The PQ was not up to spec, and I was very pleasantly suprised to learn that my BD player shifts bitmaps STs. There is an image in my Sig that shows the effects of using the HD950 and I might add in the image I captured from the BD player.

I also found that the Lord Of The Rings trilogy can also be used on CIH now thanks to this player, but again, the Elvish transaltions are normally in the black bars.

Does this mean that there is a solution to reposition blu-ray subs for CIH, when they are placed on the lower black-bar. Is anamorphic stretch available in BD-P1500, so that it stretches the picture without changing the subtitle position.

I checked the manual but couldn't find an option for stretch. It has 4 aspect options:
4:3 letter box
4:3 Pan-scan
16:9 wide
16:9 normal

Which mode is used to get a stretched image for CIH with moved subtitles.

If the picture is stretched (for CIH) without moving the subs, what happens if the subs are already in the picture? In this case subs could be too much into the picture? I am confused...

This is great news. My understanding was that blu-ray picture cannot be stretched without stretching the subs (in same proportions) due to the blu-ray protected video path.

Please explain. Thanks.
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Does this mean that there is a solution to reposition blu-ray subs for CIH, when they are placed on the lower black-bar. Is anamorphic stretch available in BD-P1500, so that it stretches the picture without changing the subtitle position.

No not the 1500. It would have been sweet if they (samsung) had included the ezview feature on this player.

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Which mode is used to get a stretched image for CIH with moved subtitles.

The first two ST photos in my blog are done with the HD950 and ezview, but the last one is just the BD1500 doing what it does.

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If the picture is stretched (for CIH) without moving the subs, what happens if the subs are already in the picture? In this case subs could be too much into the picture? I am confused...

There is not too many titles like say Universal's The Jackle where the ST are part of the picture. In this case, they simply remain in proportion to the image.

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This is great news. My understanding was that blu-ray picture cannot be stretched without stretching the subs (in same proportions) due to the blu-ray protected video path.

Please explain. Thanks.

That is my understanding about BD as well.

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That is my understanding about BD as well.

Okay. This means that BD1500 works for DVD subtitle positioning but not for the blu-rays (due to the protected video path).
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Okay. This means that BD1500 works for DVD subtitle positioning but not for the blu-rays (due to the protected video path).

Correct and you can add Panasonic's BD35 to the list of players that will don this as well. I am actually looking forward to watching my SE LOTR trilogy again now that I know all STs are moved into the picture by my player. I only hope that the BDs of these films have the STs in the picture.

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What's a good chapter to check for the sub location in any of the LOTR films?
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What's a good chapter to check for the sub location in any of the LOTR films?

I tested it with the scene that Liv Tyler's charcter speaking in elvish to Strider. Not sure the exact chapter number though.

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Miami Vice (2006) BD [b] has STs in the picture.

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Three Days of the Condor (Blu-ray). The movie has about 2 lines of French dialogue. Subtitles are in the picture.

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Star Trek: Original Motion Picture Collection (Blu-ray). Most of the movies have subtitled alien dialogue. Subtitles are in the picture and CIH safe.

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Just installed my 2.35 CIH system and new to this thread, so hopefully providing correct and useful information. Unfortunately, MR73 (French import...and excellent film IMHO) the english subtitles are not in the picture
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Tell No One (great PQ IMHO) English subs in picture
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Villu and Billa (2nd and 3rd) South Indian (Tamil) movie blu-rays have subtitles within the picture frame. Great work Ayngaran (studio). These have excellent PQ if you wish to experience Indian cinema.

Also wish to note that all Indian blu-ray movies released so far by Indian studios have subtitles within the frame Well done Eros (for Om Shanti Om and Heyy Babyy); and Ayngaran (for Shivaji, Villu and Billa).

However two Indian movie blu-rays released by western studios (Sony Saawariya and Bodega Films Jodhaa Akbar) have subtitles in the black bars making they unsuitable for scope displays - unbelievable.
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Just noticed that Slumdog Millionaire (the 8 academy award winner) is not on the list. The region B BD has subs within the picture. Not sure about the US release.
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