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post #211 of 354 Old 11-22-2009, 05:46 PM
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If it is not in the list on page 1, then I guess it has not been watched and posted. If you do watch this, please let us know and it will be added.

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Anyone know if the english subs for the US Criterion release of Gomorrah are CIH friendly?

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I haven't watched Gomorrah specifically, but all of the Criterion Blu-rays I've watched so far have been CIH friendly. I just watched Pierrot le Fou last night, and subtitles were inside the 2.35:1 picture.

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Angels and Demons had subtitles outside the picture. Plus the gap between the lines was excessively wide. My projector has a 'caption' mode that slightly sqishes the picture vertically exposing the second line of captions. This works really well because it allows me to still use my lens with minimal distortion. Because of the line spacing the second line was only partially visible. I could still read the captions though but it took more time deciphering the lines.

1. Angles and Demons
2. Blu-ray
3. Not sure of region but I'm in the US.
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Angels and Demons had subtitles outside the picture. Plus the gap between the lines was excessively wide. My projector has a 'caption' mode that slightly sqishes the picture vertically exposing the second line of captions. This works really well because it allows me to still use my lens with minimal distortion. Because of the line spacing the second line was only partially visible. I could still read the captions though but it took more time deciphering the lines.

1. Angles and Demons
2. Blu-ray
3. Not sure of region but I'm in the US.


Just like "the divinci code"...
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Here's a thought...Perhaps add a foot note for movies with subs that can be moved into the image area with an HTPC, upcoming Oppo Firmware update, or The Phillips Player.

Here is a list of movie's I've moved sub with an HTPC:

Gran Torino BD
Angles And Demons BD
Letters from Iwo Jima BD
Pineapple Express BD
Youth Without Youth BD
Vantage Point BD


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Here's a thought...Perhaps add a foot note for movies with subs that can be moved into the image area with an HTPC, upcoming Oppo Firmware update, or The Phillips Player.

The Philips and (soon) Oppo can move any subtitles on any disc. Seems kind of redundant to point this out after every title.

Besides, the primary use for this list will be for people with Blu-ray players that can't move subtitles (still the vast majority).

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The Philips and (soon) Oppo can move any subtitles on any disc. Seems kind of redundant to point this out after every title.

Besides, the primary use for this list will be for people with Blu-ray players that can't move subtitles (still the vast majority).

Is ANY a true statement? If the subs are burn into the image, then the player would not be able to move them.

I just thought it might be some good information for people on the fence on whether to buy a new Oppo player.

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Is ANY a true statement? If the subs are burn into the image, then the player would not be able to move them.

Well, if they're burned into the image, then obviously they wouldn't be able to be moved.

However, I don't know of any Blu-rays (and hardly any DVDs) with subtitles burned in to the letterbox bar. Burned-in subs are usually taken from a film element or theatrical print, and thus would be in the movie image and CIH safe.

Subtitles in the letterbox are almost always player-generated, and should be movable with the right player.

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I just thought it might be some good information for people on the fence on whether to buy a new Oppo player.

When the new firmware is officially released, we can start a new thread specific to the Oppo player.

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So OPPO has officially announced that they will definitely be able to implement subtitle movement via firmware update? And the aforementioned firmware is coming down the pipe sooner than later? Any time line mentioned? (I don't remember reading about this in the OPPO thread) If so - this is Fantastic news!
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Well, if they're burned into the image, then obviously they wouldn't be able to be moved.

And they are not in the black bars either.

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So OPPO has officially announced that they will definitely be able to implement subtitle movement via firmware update? And the aforementioned firmware is coming down the pipe sooner than later? Any time line mentioned? (I don't remember reading about this in the OPPO thread) If so - this is Fantastic news!

It hasn't been officially announced yet. Kris kind of spilled the beans in the Philips 7300 thread.

All I can say is that there is a firmware in private beta status. It has not yet been evaluated and tested to the point that it's safe to release as a public beta yet. Until that happens, there is no official promise. It's still at a stage where they might discover a deal-breaker that prevents it from being released.

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^Groovy!

THE GOLDEN COMPASS
Blu-Ray, Region A
Subtitles IN the picture (New Line Home Ent.)
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Terminator Salvation seems to have all text (are these still classed as STs?) in the active picture.

My copy is a BD, Region ABC which is odd for a SONY title.

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Oppo has sent me the link to download beta firmware 1125, that allows to shift the subtitles.

I have tested and that feature works NICELY

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We have created a Beta Firmware for the BDP-83 which will allow the BDP-83 to playback Terminator Salvation. You can read the firmware upgrade instructions at: http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-b...-47-1125b.aspx

Please note that this is a Beta Firmware and does not carry any guarantees. This firmware may cause playback issues with other media. You will be using this firmware at your own risk.

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Release date: December 9, 2009.
Category: Public Beta Version

Main Version: BDP83-47-1125B
Loader Version: BE2600 or BT0340
Sub Version: MCU83-25-0811

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Comparing to the previous official release version BDP83-40-0925, the major changes included in this version are:

- Blu-ray Disc compatibility improvement, especially for certain titles such as the European version of "Terminator Salvation".

- Experimental subtitle shift feature. During playback, press and hold the "SUBTITLE" button to activate the function and then use up/down arrow buttons to move the subtitle. The shift position is saved in the Playback Setup section of the setup menu. This feature is useful for customers with 2.35:1 projection screens.

- OSD position feature. The OSD (On-Screen Display) can be moved to work together with the subtitle shift feature. There is a new setup menu option in the Playback Setup section for this.

- Auto mode for HDMI Audio format. The new "Auto" mode enables the player to use bitstream audio output for audio formats that are supported by the A/V receiver, and LPCM for formats that cannot be decoded by the A/V receiver.
All features and improvements of the previous firmware are also included in this version.

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-b...-47-1125b.aspx

If you go directly on site you cannot find that firmware, you need to use that link posted above.
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Looks like this thread is about to become obsolete!
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And what a bonus that the OSD can be shifted as well!
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Looks like this thread is about to become obsolete!

I think this thread will still be useful for knowing whether or not you will need to move the subtitles.
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Oppo has made me a customer for life. What a great company.
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I think this thread will still be useful for knowing whether or not you will need to move the subtitles.

Also helpful for people who don't have an OPPO.

What frustrates me are movies primarily in English with a couple of subtitled scenes. I might not know they're coming until the scene comes on and I have no idea what anyone is saying.

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Also helpful for people who don't have an OPPO.

What frustrates me are movies primarily in English with a couple of subtitled scenes. I might not know they're coming until the scene comes on and I have no idea what anyone is saying.

That happened to me last night when watching "Eagles over London". A couple of lines were in German and I don't know if they had subtitles or not. I still don't know what they said.

BTW, why does Severin even release Blu Ray's? Their releases are a disgrace to the format. I seriously doubt that the DVD looks any worse than what was on my screen last night.
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If you go directly on site you cannot find that firmware, you need to use that link posted above.

I would not recommend this firmware. There are some known bugs (some minor, some major) which will make this firmware not ideal for many users.

You should only use this firmware if you absolutely need to take advantage of European and Asian release of Terminator Salvation.

This firmware was NOT designed for testing CIH.
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I would not recommend this firmware. There are some known bugs (some minor, some major) which will make this firmware not ideal for many users.

Can you expound on what the major and minor bugs are?
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As far I could test I do not see any bugs.

The firmware 925 that is final (not beta) don´t play MKV files, but the beta firmware 1125 can play

And the shift of subtitles works as described.
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I would not recommend this firmware. There are some known bugs (some minor, some major) which will make this firmware not ideal for many users.

You should only use this firmware if you absolutely need to take advantage of European and Asian release of Terminator Salvation.

This firmware was NOT designed for testing CIH.

Geeeze. I was planning on loading it this weekend
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Ok can someone please explain the difference bwteen the US, the AU, the EU versions on Terminator Salvation?

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I haven't watched Gomorrah specifically, but all of the Criterion Blu-rays I've watched so far have been CIH friendly. I just watched Pierrot le Fou last night, and subtitles were inside the 2.35:1 picture.

Are Subtitles, written translations, and closed captions all being handled the same way on the Oppo? I use closed caption a lot when I have a hard time understanding the dialogue. I also would like written translations of foreign language dialogue to be completely visible. Are these both considered subtitles?
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Ok can someone please explain the difference bwteen the US, the AU, the EU versions on Terminator Salvation?

The movie was released in the US by Warner Bros. However, it's a Sony title overseas. Different studios means different disc authoring.

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Are Subtitles, written translations, and closed captions all being handled the same way on the Oppo? I use closed caption a lot when I have a hard time understanding the dialogue. I also would like written translations of foreign language dialogue to be completely visible. Are these both considered subtitles?

"SDH" captions are just another sutitle track on the disc, and should be handled the same. However, if you literally mean the Closed Caption option, with white text in a black box, that's something that your TV reads off the blanking interval in the video signal. It's not something that your disc player has control over.

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The movie was released in the US by Warner Bros. However, it's a Sony title overseas. Different studios means different disc authoring.

Thanks cranky member.

It's my understanding that Samsung BR players keep subtitles on the screen in the anamorphic 2:35 mode. Does the Oppo do the same?
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The movie was released in the US by Warner Bros. However, it's a Sony title overseas. Different studios means different disc authoring.

Cool. So it looks like this SONY title is CIH safe.

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