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TSHA222 01-01-2009 11:05 AM

If you have a link or just want to list a title, put it in this thread. I will be moving everything to this first page on a regular basis.

This list is only for ENGLISH language subs. (Star Wars-type alien translations, foreign films with English subs or English language films with English subs for certain scenes where another language is spoken.) This list WILL NOT cover SDH subs or subs in a foreign language for an English language release, although I think another thread is a great idea to cover those titles.

****DISCLAIMER****
Some STANDARD DVD titles on this list may only be CIH safe if using certain Dvd players. Some titles listed as safe may in fact not be "safe" with certain players and settings. This was brought up by a concerned member. Someone step in and PM me if you know otherwise, but I believe that BD titles are going to be the same regardless of player as this is an authoring issue and players are not capable of relocating subs.

[EDIT]Please note: Most Blu-ray Players will shift the Bit Map subtitle on DVD up by approx 10% giving the illusion that the STs are actually in the picture. This is why Star Wars has been moved to STs out of the picture.




SUBTITLES IN PICTURE


400 Blows BD
10,000 BC BD
A Mighty Heart BD
Assembly (Hong Kong import) BD
Australia BD (REGION B)
Basic Instict BD
Black Book (Zwartboek) BD ***UK VERSION ONLY!!!
Body of Lies BD
Boondock Saints BD
Bourne Supremacy BD
Bourne Ultimatum BD
Bourne Identity BD
Clear and Present Danger BD
Contact DVD
Dark Water BD
Day the Earth Stood Still, The (2008) BD
Death Race BD
The Decent BD
Dejavu BD
Die Another Day BD
Die Hard II BD
Die Hard with a Vengeance BD
Domino BD
Drag Me Into Hell BD [A]
Eight Below BD
End of Days HD-DVD
Fearless HD-DVD & BD
First Blood BD
Flightplan BD
Four Brothers BD
Galaxy Quest BD [A]
Gammorah (UK Release) BD
G.I. Joe [Blu-ray, region A]
The Golden Compass [BD, Region A]
Goonies [region B] BD
Heyy Babyy (Eros) BD
Hitman BD
Hunt for Red October BD
The Incredibles DVD
Independence Day BD
The Incredible Hulk (2008) BD
Inglourious Basterds BD
Iron Man BD
Italian Job BD
JCVD (UK import) BD
Kill Bill Vol 1 BD ** 2 lines of dialog drop into lower bar, but it is not missed
Kill Bill Vol 2 BD
King Kong HD-DVD
The Kingdom DVD
Kung Fu Panda BD
La Vie en Rose BD (adjustable subtitles)
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen D-Theater
Let the Right One In BD
Live Free or Die Hard BD
Lives of Others BD
Love Actually BD
Max Payne BD
Miami Vice BD
Miracle at St. Anna BD
Mission Impossible BD
Mission Impossible 2 BD
Mission Impossible 3 BD
Mr. & Mrs. Smith BD
Mummy BD
Mummy Returns BD
Mummy 3: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor BD
Om Shanti Om (Eros) BD
The Orphanage BD
Passion of the Christ BD, DVD, D-Theater
Patriot Games BD
Pierrot le Fou BD
Pineapple Express (Apple TV)
Quantum of Solace BD
Rambo (2008) BD
The Rock (UK Import) BD
Ronin BD
Shooter BD
Sivaji
Slumdog Millionaire BD (REGION B)
Speedracer BD
Spiderman 3 BD
Stargate BD
Starman BD [A]
Star Trek: Original Motion Picture Collection BD
Sum of all Fears BD
Sunshine BD
Synecdoche, New York BD
Taegukgi (Korean import) BD
Team American DVD
Three Days of the Condor BD
Transformers BD
Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen [both Scope and "Big Screen Editions"]
Transiberian BD
Transporter 3 BD
Tropic Thunder BD [A]
True Lies DVD
Truth About Charlie HDNET
U-571 BD
Volver BD
Wall E BD
War BD
We Were Soldiers BD
World is not Enough BD

SUBTITLES NOT IN PICTURE


30 Days Of Night BD
36 Quai des Orfèvres (Department 36) - French import
Angles And Demons BD [b] half in half out of the active picture
Assembly UK VERSION BD **HK VERSION IS CIH SAFE
Black Book (Zwartboek) BD **UK VERSION IS CIH SAFE
Blood: The Last Vampire BD
CJ7 BD
Curse of the Golden Flower BD
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
Dances with Wolves Blu-Ray (German Import, Region B, Kinowelt) Half in half out of the active picture.
Day Watch BD
Dragon Wars BD
district b13 BD & DVD
Flash Point (HK Import) BD
Four Flies on Grey Velvet SD DVD
Godzilla BD [A]
Gran Torino BD
Hancock BD - The subs are absolutely not important. It is a very short scene at the beginning.
The Hidden Fortress Criterion Collection DVD
House of Flying Daggers BD
The International BD
Jean De Florette/Manon des Sources DVD
Jodhaa Akbar
Kung Fu Hustle BD
La Femme Nikita BD
Letters from Iwo Jima BD
Mad Detective (UK Release) BD
Max Manus: Man of War (UK Import)
MR73 (French Import) BD
The Myth BD
Oceans 13 BD
Oldboy BD
OSS 117: Cairo, Nest of Spies (French import) BD
Patton BD
Pineapple Express BD
The Professionals BD
Redcliff (HK VERS) BD
Revolver BD
Rock N Roller (REGION B) BD
Saawariya BD
Seven Pounds BD
Star Wars: A New Hope SE DVD
Star Wars: Return of the Jedi SE DVD
Star Wars: The Phantom Menace DVD
Star Wars: Attack Of The Clones DVD
Star Wars: A New Hope - original version DVD
Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back - original version DVD
Star Wars: Return of the Jedi - original version DVD
Tell No One (FORMAT NOT SPECIFIED)
Vantage Point BD
Warriors of Heaven BD
Youth Without Youth BD

John Ballentine 01-01-2009 05:29 PM

All are BD's viewed on Sony 350:

SUBTITLES IN PICTURE:
New Rambo (2008)
Iron Man
The Hulk (2008)
U-571

SUBTITLES NOT IN PICTURE:
30 Days Of Night has subtitles (alien language) in the lower black bar. But sometimes subtitles are stacked - and half of the subtitle is readable in the picture area.

TSHA222 01-01-2009 09:26 PM

Thanks John. I am going to be cutting and pasting from everyone's threads. Let's get this bad boy going. I know I will take advantage of the information we can put together.

Josh Z 01-02-2009 01:53 PM

I don't keep a running list, but as I watch new discs I'll try to add to this thread.

Off the top of my head, here are some Blu-rays with subtitles not in the picture:

Curse of the Golden Flower
Flash Point (HK import)
House of Flying Daggers
Kung Fu Hustle
OSS 117: Cairo, Nest of Spies (French import)
The Professionals
Youth Without Youth

TSHA222 01-02-2009 02:41 PM

Thanks a million Josh.

Ralph Potts 01-03-2009 08:16 AM

Greetings,

Like Josh, I don't keep a running list but I try to mention it when the subtitles are not within the picture area.

Here are a few that I didn't see mentioned in the above listing:

La Femme Nikita - subtitles fall within both the picture and black bars
CJ7 - subtitles are in the black bars


As they come up I will try to remember to post back in this thread.


Cheers,

TSHA222 01-03-2009 08:31 AM

Much appreciated Ralph. Thanks for joining in.

Maestro J 01-03-2009 09:15 AM

Mummy 3: Tomb of the Dragon.... had subtitles IN the picture.

Josh Z 01-03-2009 09:45 AM

Universal generally keeps subtitles in the picture. I don't have the Blu-ray edition, but the HD DVD of Fearless was CIH friendly. Perhaps someone with the Blu-ray can confirm?

TSHA222 01-03-2009 02:03 PM

I really hope as the list grows, we will see far more films with CIH-friendly subtitles.

John Ballentine 01-04-2009 05:56 PM

Just watched DEATH RACE on BD. Has subtitles IN the picture (as do most all Universal titles).

U-571 above was BD not DVD

CAVX 01-04-2009 06:15 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Universal generally keeps subtitles in the picture. I don't have the Blu-ray edition, but the HD DVD of Fearless was CIH friendly. Perhaps someone with the Blu-ray can confirm?

I have only watched the first 10 or 15 minutes, but yes it appears CIH ready.

It looks like we can also add Transformers to that list as well...

Mark

TSHA222 01-04-2009 07:02 PM

I will be doing some serious movie watching this next week so I should be able to add some titles to the list, hopefully CIH friendly

Erik Garci 01-05-2009 06:55 AM

There is an earlier thread about this. Here's the link.

List of scope HD DVD/Blu-Ray fims with subtitles in black bars?

The earlier thread mentions some titles that are not mentioned in this new thread.

steel_breeze 01-05-2009 07:56 AM

SUBTITLES NOT IN PICTURE:

Star Wars (original 1977 edition DVD) It's non-anamorphic, so I zoom it in to fill horizontally. Certainly not "up to spec" quality-wise, but it does the trick--and it's the only edition I'll watch. Greedo subtitles WAY out of frame due to original letterbox 4:3 aspect ratio!

TSHA222 01-05-2009 07:59 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Erik Garci View Post

There is an earlier thread about this. Here's the link.

List of scope HD DVD/Blu-Ray fims with subtitles in black bars?

The earlier thread mentions some titles that are not mentioned in this new thread.

Thanks for the link. I'll add the titles from that thread.

TSHA222 01-05-2009 08:11 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by steel_breeze View Post

SUBTITLES NOT IN PICTURE:

Star Wars (original 1977 edition DVD) It's non-anamorphic, so I zoom it in to fill horizontally. Certainly not "up to spec" quality-wise, but it does the trick--and it's the only edition I'll watch. Greedo subtitles WAY out of frame due to original letterbox 4:3 aspect ratio!

Yeah, I don't guess we will ever see these unmolested versions with aspect ratios in the correct locations for CIH. I've thought about using a video editing program just to add subs in the picture area but I haven't gone beyond the thinking stage.

John Ballentine 01-05-2009 10:13 AM

I read somewhere that the KILL BILL BD's sometimes had subtitles IN the black bar as well as IN the picture and sometimes half and half. Are we sure all the subtitles are IN the picture area w/ this title?

TSHA222 01-05-2009 10:23 AM

I'm going to play dumb here. I know that the DVDs were not CIH friendly. BUT on Saturday night I watched both volumes back to back on BD and if there are subs in the black bar, I did not miss anything. I know that Josh Z. said that the BD had subs in the picture. That's why I bought the BD to replace my DVD versions.

Lee Weber 01-05-2009 11:24 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by John Ballentine View Post

I read somewhere that the KILL BILL BD's sometimes had subtitles IN the black bar as well as IN the picture and sometimes half and half. Are we sure all the subtitles are IN the picture area w/ this title?

Same with warriors of heaven and earth. If its more than a line the 2nd line goes into the bars ;(

oman321 01-05-2009 11:33 AM

I saw Pan's Labyrinth the other day on BD on my PS3 and the subtitles are in the picture.

John Ballentine 01-05-2009 11:46 AM

Pan's Labyrinth is 1:85.

TSHA222 01-05-2009 12:01 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by W3bbY View Post

Same with warriors of heaven and earth. If its more than a line the 2nd line goes into the bars ;(

I really think KB is safe. I remember a couple of scenes that had two lines of subs and at no point did I feel like I was missing any subs. Maybe Josh Z can confirm this.

oman321 01-05-2009 12:25 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by John Ballentine View Post

Pan's Labyrinth is 1:85.

oops my fault, I saw it over a week ago and all I could remember was the words on the screen. Since I don't have masking I leave my lens in place and it fills my screen. Sorry about that, carry on..

Erik Garci 01-05-2009 01:30 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by John Ballentine View Post

Pan's Labyrinth is 1:85.

The pillarbox bars must be huge.

dvdjan 01-05-2009 02:18 PM

SUBTITLES IN PICTURE:

Kung Fu Panda

oman321 01-05-2009 02:18 PM

I can better explain by saying that with my KeyDigital scaler I added the bars and then took them away to make myself feel better about using the lens. I dont depend on the directors anymore, I make my own Cinemascope

syncguy 01-05-2009 03:35 PM

Subs in picture:

Heyy Babyy (Studio: Eros)
Sivaji (Studio: Ayngaran)
Spider Man 3 (Sony Pictures)

Subs not in picture

Saawariya (Sony Pictures)
Jodhaa Akbar (Studio: Bodega Films/UTV)

TSHA222 01-05-2009 06:18 PM

Are these DVD or BD?

John Ballentine 01-05-2009 06:49 PM

Just watched TRANSFORMERS BD. Subs IN picture area

I think we are gonna be fine w/ Paramount


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