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post #61 of 96 Old 09-14-2009, 07:38 AM
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Rolette - how is zooming back and forth between ARs on the RS20 going? You ceiling mounted, right? If so, do you have to shift the motorized lens shift, zoom and focus each time you switch ARs? Just wondering how cumbersome it is for you and how long it takes?
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Yep, I'm ceiling mounted. I do have to adjust zoom, shift and focus when switching ARs. As it turns out, most of the movies we've watched so far have been 2.35(ish) but I had to adjust it for a couple yesterday (Death Race and Crank).

Took about 5 mins to shuffle everything around, but I'm not proficient at it yet so it should get faster.

It would be nicer if I only had to adjust the zoom and not bother with shift & focus, but it's not bad.

When I'm banging through pieces of different movies to show off the sub, I don't bother adjusting the AR so it's at least enough work to not make it worthwhile for that sort of shuffling.

Hope that helps.
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I took the plunge and bought a B stock RS2. Mounted the projector aligned with the center of the screen so I can zoom without messing with shift. Works GREAT! The RS2 only allows lens adjustments with a built in test pattern, so that is kind of a PITA. The RS10 or 20 will let you show the actual image when adjusting. Takes less than a minute to make the switch from 1.85 to 2.35.

DVD's look great on my OPPO BD player. Bluray is fantastic.

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I finally got around to ordering my seating, but looks like it won't be here in time for all the family coming in at Christmas.

Also, having the system calibrated next week. Can't wait to see the difference that makes!

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Those fabric portable/lawn chairs with footrests work pretty good

See what an anamorphoscopic lens can do,
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Close, very close! It's the papa-san chairs right now
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* AT screen - Given I'm not (or should that be "wasn't"?) a hard-core movie buff, I thought this would be more about a clean look. It surprised me how much better it is having the front speakers behind the screen. We watched a couple of movies with the screen mounted before we had the speakers installed, so I got to do an A/B comparison. Much bigger difference than I would have ever guessed.

I agree. There is nothing quite as immersive for HT as having the sound cues coming from the picture.

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Also, having the system calibrated next week. Can't wait to see the difference that makes!

I got lucky with a cancelation on his trip and was able to have umr calibrate my system last Thursday (12/3). I've been running the RS20 in THX mode. The picture was "good" but a little flat and skin tones were off a bit.

After umr finished working on the projector, I've got to say just how fabulous skin tones and colors in general are now. Casino Royale and Fifth Element before and after are pretty stunning.

Well worth the additional costs to see what the RS20 is really capable of!

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I got lucky with a cancelation on his trip and was able to have umr calibrate my system last Thursday (12/3). I've been running the RS20 in THX mode. The picture was "good" but a little flat and skin tones were off a bit.

After umr finished working on the projector, I've got to say just how fabulous skin tones and colors in general are now. Casino Royale and Fifth Element before and after are pretty stunning.

Well worth the additional costs to see what the RS20 is really capable of!

Jay

Thanks Jay. It is fun getting the most from home theater.

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I got lucky with a cancelation on his trip and was able to have umr calibrate my system last Thursday (12/3).

Thanks for your calibration report. I've added it to the front projection (Post#1) list that's linked at the bottom of my post.

Enjoy.

Calibration Resources:

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Regarding strictly PQ... zooming will give you a better picture than using a lens.[/quote]

I'm not trying to start a zooming vs lens war...but the above statement could not be further from the truth. I own a very high end lens
( isco IIIL )and I would be glade to compare zooming to it ANY DAY. Zooming does not come anywhere near to it.

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Zooming does not come anywhere near to it.

I'll second that

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Hence the name....pocoLOCO, and sanity check is apart of the thread topic.

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Hence the name....pocoLOCO, and sanity check is apart of the thread topic.

Except it is not Pocoloco's thread

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Except it is not Pocoloco's thread

I'm not saying it is...I'm just doing a little play on name and thread topic joking.

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"Regarding strictly PQ... zooming will give you a better picture than using a lens."

I'm not trying to start a zooming vs lens war...but the above statement could not be further from the truth.

Pocoloco actually owned a lens (Panamorph) and compared it to zooming to form his conclusion.

It's totally valid that you can reach an opposite conclusion from him and I'm not saying who I agree with, but seems a little strong to accuse him of lying?
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I was not accusing him of lying and I'm sorry if it looked that way. I think making a broad statement that zooming PQ is better then lens PQ is not true. I don't think he was trying to deceive anyone here...that's for sure. I've compared the PQ with and without my lens and have concluded my lens is the way to go. I always setup my projector with very little if any zoom.

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I was not accusing him of lying and I'm sorry if it looked that way. I think making a broad statement that zooming PQ is better then lens PQ is not true. I don't think he was trying to deceive anyone here...that's for sure. I've compared the PQ with and without my lens and have concluded my lens is the way to go. I always setup my projector with very little if any zoom.

No problem. I think I'm starting to take these discussions too seriously, and need to lighten up .
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No problem. I think I'm starting to take these discussions too seriously, and need to lighten up .

NP dude....we all take it seriously....like I said on a post....my isco 3L is worth more then my car. but don't look as good

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I was not accusing him of lying and I'm sorry if it looked that way. I think making a broad statement that zooming PQ is better then lens PQ is not true. I don't think he was trying to deceive anyone here...that's for sure. I've compared the PQ with and without my lens and have concluded my lens is the way to go. I always setup my projector with very little if any zoom.

Hey there. If you read just a few posts further you would see me clarifying my comments that I was not making broad generalizations. I was providing the OP with my opinions based off my in-depth personal experience with the panamorph and JVC projectors.

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I am not making an absolute statement as it varies case by case. Specifically regarding the RS10/20, I stand by my statements.

If you do a search on my posts, you'll find that I'm in the "it just depends" camp. I would never say zooming is always better and vice versa. Depending on the equipment and setup, you can get superior results with either method. I have official retired from participating in zoom/lens debates so I'll leave it at that.


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Took me a long while to get real seating in, then took me even longer to get around to hauling the tripod upstairs to take pictures of the room. drjay71 asked me for some screenshots since he's looking at something about the same size as me. Apparently that was the prompt I needed.

10' wide Seymour AV CenterStage XD screen

Yes, I know I need to replace all the outlets on the front wall with brown ones

Haven't done much with decorations yet and need to get my equipment rack installed instead of just stacking gear in the niche.


RS20 in action




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Very Cool,
How's the Seymour Screen holding up. I'm pretty sure I'll get one eventually.

Ugh...Probably another year before I can get going on my dedicated room.
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Thanks so much for posting. The screen shots are amazing!
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Very Cool,
How's the Seymour Screen holding up. I'm pretty sure I'll get one eventually.

Ugh...Probably another year before I can get going on my dedicated room.

Nothing but good things to say about the screen. I've had it for ~11 months now. Still impressed with the build quality, cost effectiveness vs. IQ and still can't ever imagine not having an AT screen.

The only hiccup at all is that Chris now has some very nice masking panels, but with where I have my speakers, I can't take advantage of them. Have to find another solution for masking.

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Nothing but good things to say about the screen. I've had it for ~11 months now. Still impressed with the build quality, cost effectiveness vs. IQ and still can't ever imagine not having an AT screen.

The only hiccup at all is that Chris now has some very nice masking panels, but with where I have my speakers, I can't take advantage of them. Have to find another solution for masking.

Jay

I think they offer acoustically transparent masking panels as well so they could cover your speakers and not affect anything.

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Rolette, nice looking room! (And yes, lose the white/almond/ivory receptacles and plates. Wouldn't hurt to spray the surround speaker and HVAC grills too.)
I'm planning on a Seymour SS/XD screen too and am interested in the seating distance to your first row (not the beanbags) of seats. Any problems seeing the fabric weave? When I tested the XD with a 2ft sample at 12' I had no problems. But I may have to move the 'money seat' closer to the screen (maybe @ 10') due to the size of my room.
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I think they offer acoustically transparent masking panels as well so they could cover your speakers and not affect anything.

They do. Unfortunately, the edge piece isn't AT and it lines up to run smack dab through the middle of my speakers.

My first HT. Rookie mistake on my part to not think about that.

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Rolette, nice looking room! (And yes, lose the white/almond/ivory receptacles and plates. Wouldn't hurt to spray the surround speaker and HVAC grills too.)

I'm planning on a Seymour SS/XD screen too and am interested in the seating distance to your first row (not the beanbags) of seats. Any problems seeing the fabric weave? When I tested the XD with a 2ft sample at 12' I had no problems. But I may have to move the 'money seat' closer to the screen (maybe @ 10') due to the size of my room.

Thanks, Steve.

Eyes-to-screen distance for the real seats is 13'. Definitely no issues with weave visibility at that distance.

I've watched a couple of movies from the overflow seats (bean bags). Eyes-to-screen distance from those are ~8.5'. At that distance, I notice the weave/texture primarily in large bright areas, but it doesn't otherwise distract from movie viewing for me. I have not actively tested at that distance to see how much I can see the weave when specifically looking for it.

Based on feedback I've read from other folks, if you are thinking about 10', you'll definitely want to test using samples. Way too much variance in folks vision and expectations / sensitivities...

I've had other folks from AVS forum over so they could see my projector and/or screen themselves instead of just reading reviews, but Austin is a bit of a drive from AL so that probably isn't a useful offer for you

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Rolette, Thanks for the info. I am going to test XD and possibly a bigger piece of SE Enlightor4K once the projector is in place. After the PJ purchase, the screen may have to wait awhile anyway. In the meantime, a bed sheet I suppose. So sad...
BTW, in you're last 2 screen shots, what are the two small blue lights in the upper left, in the mask area?
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BTW, in you're last 2 screen shots, what are the two small blue lights in the upper left, in the mask area?

Pause indicator. One of the hazards of CIH setups is that on screen indicators and menus can end up "off screen".
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