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Looks like another company is jumping on the Philips bandwagon.

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And how about the $3,500 price point for the 72-inch XVTPRO720SV LCD flat panel with 3D technology. Wow!
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And good to see it happen too

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wow that's really damn cheap for a 72" LCD!! Awesome!

Sent that to my dad, told him to buy it in August when it comes out. They are still using their rear projection 57" Toshiba that is only 540p!

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I'll Take the 58".... (21:9), Vizio is jumping out of the box going "WIDE". (16:9), is old news.... Times are changing.

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Yeah, I have the 51" version of the Toshiba TV. If the PQ on this Vizio is decent, I might have to see how it looks. I was going to go the Kuro route with them being discontinued, but I might look into either this Vizio or that new 68" Sharp depending on how much they want for it.
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i would be surprised to see another set that hangs on the wall thats 68-72" for only $3500.
I wonder if vizio's LED technology is similar to others were they are like paper thin.

i dont think vizio is an awesome brand though?

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And how about the $3,500 price point for the 72-inch XVTPRO720SV LCD flat panel with 3D technology. Wow!

That's not bad at all. I was under the impression these tv are going to be expensive. Wether they sell is another thing.

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i would be surprised to see another set that hangs on the wall thats 68-72" for only $3500.
I wonder if vizio's LED technology is similar to others were they are like paper thin.

i dont think vizio is an awesome brand though?

it's one of those cheap brand tv's?

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Yeah, I have the 51" version of the Toshiba TV. If the PQ on this Vizio is decent, I might have to see how it looks. I was going to go the Kuro route with them being discontinued, but I might look into either this Vizio or that new 68" Sharp depending on how much they want for it.

The Kuro gives an awesome picture. It's worth comparing + they can be calibrated by an isf calibrator

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it's one of those cheap brand tv's?

Regardless of the cost, if it moves to a wider change, then it should be embraced.

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Regardless of the cost, if it moves to a wider change, then it should be embraced.

Well Im happy with the way things are for know. Im not going to buy a cheap t.v for the sake 21:9

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Well Im happy with the way things are for know. Im not going to buy a cheap t.v for the sake 21:9

That wasn't my point. My point was that if 21:9 is available at both ends of the market, then it has a greater chance to take off. Part of the reason 16:9 took so long was the cost of the TVs. This will only help us already into CIH by pushing the need to move to true anamorphic titles.

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Vizio started as the cheap brand but they have been working to improve their TVs and move into the higher end products with the XVT lineup. Another display with 2.35 is a great thing. Not everyone can get a screen, lens (or zooming) in their room.

While the Vizio is not a Kuro in terms of image quality, we all know how well the Kuro line is doing right now...

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That wasn't my point. My point was that if 21:9 is available at both ends of the market, then it has a greater chance to take off. Part of the reason 16:9 took so long was the cost of the TVs. This will only help us already into CIH by pushing the need to move to true anamorphic titles.

Sorry mate I misinterpreted that wrong. I agree bring out more CIH

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will this unit change aspect ratios on the fly?
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This will only help us already into CIH by pushing the need to move to true anamorphic titles.

More practically, I think it will help to encourage certain studios to place subtitles within the Scope picture, and to encourage certain TV networks to switch to Scope versions of movies.
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will this unit change aspect ratios on the fly?

Depends on what you're defining as "on the fly". If you're asking whether it will automatically detect whether a movie is letterboxed or not and change aspect ratios for you without manual intervention, probably not. But if you're just asking if you change change the aspect ratio while a movie/show is playing, I would assume that it will have that ability just as much as any 16:9 TV does.

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Let me ask a stupid question, how would a normal HD football game on Fox look on this 21:9 tv? Would there be bars on the sides? What would it look like?
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Let me ask a stupid question, how would a normal HD football game on Fox look on this 21:9 tv? Would there be bars on the sides? What would it look like?

Yes you would have side pillars. This is not that different from a 16:9 display and a 4 x 3 program.

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But what scaling is done to get the actual 800 lines of movie pixels to be 1080? On BD movies the actual visual content is only 1920x800p for 2.4 movies. I see it will need to scale/zoom the BD image up to rid the black bars above and below and what about the scaling done to the sides? for the purist who wants no scaling from the BD disc to display it might not be welcome, unless they come out with a special format BD to put out those resolutions.

I think a 21x9 1920x800p would look just as good, thats how I run my CRT blend right now. Active area Scanning.

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The Kuro gives an awesome picture. It's worth comparing + they can be calibrated by an isf calibrator

Yeah, I've been dying to get a set with amazing black levels.

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Yes you would have side pillars. This is not that different from a 16:9 display and a 4 x 3 program.

The pillars on 4:3 on a 21:9 set must be laughable.
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What would it look like?

Here's a photo of a 16:9 show on the Philips 21:9 LCD.

http://www.avforums.com/forums/attac...9-dsc02337.jpg
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Here's a photo of a 16:9 show on the Philips 21:9 LCD.

http://www.avforums.com/forums/attac...9-dsc02337.jpg

for some reason having bars on sides seems to annoy me 500x less than having them on top/bottom. anyone else feel this way? But the sad things is black bars will still exist because the bars are hard encoded into 2.35 blu-ray movies . It must have some kind of zoom feature otherwise whats the point? Also, wont there be stretching going? going from 1920 to 2560?

edit, this helps, review of Philips model

http://www.trustedreviews.com/tvs/re...56in-LCD-TV/p1
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for some reason having bars on sides seems to annoy me 500x less than having them on top/bottom. anyone else feel this way? But the sad things is black bars will still exist because the bars are hard encoded into 2.35 blu-ray movies . It must have some kind of zoom feature otherwise whats the point? Also, wont there be stretching going? going from 1920 to 2560?

edit, this helps, review of Philips model

http://www.trustedreviews.com/tvs/re...56in-LCD-TV/p1

When 16:9 TV first appeared, there was no anamorphic enhanced program. Everything was still 4 x 3, so eithe the image was stretched or it was zoomed. If enough manufactures jump on board, the HD specs of 1920 x 1080 will have to change to 2560 x 1080.

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Yeah, I've been dying to get a set with amazing black levels.



The pillars on 4:3 on a 21:9 set must be laughable.

I don't have a pioneer but we have one at work and to compare against the others the pioneer excels

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I'm going to be buying a new set to replace my old 27" crt Sony and I'm super excited at all the possibilities. It will be primarily used for hdtv, so I'll probably still go with a 16:9 set but, damn, that 21:9 looks sharp! If Costco ends up selling this set I may have to go with it. Pillar boxes, to me, are much more preferable to letter boxes.

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Here's a photo of a 16:9 show on the Philips 21:9 LCD.

http://www.avforums.com/forums/attac...9-dsc02337.jpg

Hey, thanks allot! Honestly, I could live with that. And like was said, the side bars bother me much less than the top and bottom bars.

I would much rather have a set like this over one of these new 3D sets everyone is so excited about.
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I think a 21x9 1920x800p would look just as good,

Not for when you want to watch 16:9 HD content, which would have to be scaled down to 1440x800 on that screen.

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