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Just to play devils advocate, why would you get a worse 2D projector if the better 2D projector had a 3D limitation, when you don't care for 3D?

I appreciate the devil's advocate, actually! The decision is a cost savings measure; the RS40 vs HD250 is ~$1k difference in cost. Spending less now on the PJ means getting a new Denon AVR now instead of in the future (mine currently has no HDMI). But I think I have the WAF for the RS40 so I shouldn't second guess myself, but that's my nature.
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Since the new JVC 3D projectors do not allow their Vertical Stretch function to be applied to 3D images, I put the pertinent question to Oppo Digital regarding their Blu-Ray 3D players' (e.g. BDP-93 and BDP-95) Vertical Stretch function, namely:

"Do these Blu-Ray Disc Players allow their VERTICAL STRETCH function to be applied to a 3D IMAGE? Thereby enabling the viewing of 3D Movies in 2.35:1 Constant Image Height (CIH) via use of an anamorphic lens?"

And here's Oppo Digital's reply:

"At this time all zooming is done for non-BD-JAVA enhanced Blu-ray titles. If the disc uses BD-JAVA then we will not be able to zoom it at this time. We will be allowing BD-JAVA zooming through a future firmware release.

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Therefore, it appears that currently the only way to be sure of achieving a 3D image with 2.35:1 CIH is to employ the 'zoom method'.

However, once Oppo release their promised firmware update that will allow Vertical Stretching with BD-JAVA enhanced Blu-ray titles, perhaps the preferred route would then be to apply the Vertical Stretch via the Blu-Ray player prior to being outputted to your choice of 3D compatible projector such as the JVC DLA-X7 or JVC DLA-X9?

Thoughts?
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Therefore, it appears that currently the only way to be sure of achieving a 3D image with 2.35:1 CIH is to employ the 'zoom method'.

However, once Oppo release their promised firmware update that will allow Vertical Stretching with BD-JAVA enhanced Blu-ray titles, perhaps the preferred route would then be to apply the Vertical Stretch via the Blu-Ray player prior to being outputted to your choice of 3D compatible projector such as the JVC DLA-X7 or JVC DLA-X9?

Thoughts?

So long as the disc is not JAVA enhanced, it works. And they have said that this issue is FW correctable, so it is just a matter of time.

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So I've got an Oppo 93 on it's way soon, the Radiance Mini3D processor, an Isco II lens and all the electronics/cables in between that support 3D...but no 3D projector. Oh well, 3D gives me a headache anyway judging by the X7 demo I had.

Zooming: Been there, done that, bought the lens...
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Thoughts?

Personally, I don't care for it (3D). But to answer your question: www.lumagen.com
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I do not understand the discussion I have an X-9 with panamorph anamorphic lens and a 130" Stewart Cine Curve screen. With Disciple Me and Alice in Wonderland I watch both in 3D with the anamorphic lens with an awesome 2.35 picture. I never have used the zoom method. The X9 does vertical stretch in any mode including 3D
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I do not understand the discussion I have an X-9 with panamorph anamorphic lens and a 130" Stewart Cine Curve screen. With Disciple Me and Alice in Wonderland I watch both in 3D with the anamorphic lens with an awesome 2.35 picture. I never have used the zoom method. The X9 does vertical stretch in any mode including 3D
Really? According to JVC, the anamorphic mode does not work for 3D. I've seen this for the X3 (not the X9 yet) where the feature "anamorphic" is grey and not selectable in 3D operation. Could you post a screen cap of the menu?

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OK I will try. But when I push the anamorphic button the Panamorph moves into place. It moves into place whether I have it in THX or 3D mode but I will verify that.
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OK I will try. But when I push the anamorphic button the Panamorph moves into place. It moves into place whether I have it in THX or 3D mode but I will verify that.

This may be just because the 12 volt trigger is powered when pressing this button. Does the image retain the correct proportion or is everything a bit too fat? If the projector doesn't do the vertical stretch, but you put the lens in front anyway, the image will fill your screen...but be the wrong shape. I can do this using my Radiance VP: leave it in 16:9 but put my lens in place and have fat people and a full screen. The difference with the Radiance is that I could press the vertical stretch button, move the lens in place and have people the right shape in 3D (but I don't have a 3D projector at the moment ).

Zooming: Been there, done that, bought the lens...
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OK i checked put it in 3D mode and pressed anamorphic button. The people are the correct shape. I watch normal TV with with the anamorphic lens in place. But in order to that I need to use the Panamorph remote to move the lens. If I do not do that I get a really messed up picture. Because there is vertical stretch in addition and the picture goes way off the screen on top and bottom. So I just use the panamorph remote which does not v-stretch the image. Yes the people are slightly out of shape but it does not bother me. So I can V-stretch 3D and use my lens for a 2.35 image. This worked on Alice and Disciple Me. When I used it to watch 3D image on Fios than the screen was not full size even when I used the anamorphic button on my JVC. I had to watch it in 16.9
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Because there is vertical stretch in addition and the picture goes way off the screen on top and bottom.

Are you using a VC lens?

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I do not know what a VC lens is? I am using a panamorph lens with motorized sled. The lens just stretches the sides that is all.
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I do not know what a VC lens is? I am using a panamorph lens with motorized sled. The lens just stretches the sides that is all.

Then it is a HE lens.

I have loaned a Mitsubishi HC9000 and SONY BD 3D player. It actually works for CIH allowing both "Anamorphic Mode 1" (Vertical Stretch) and Anamorphic Mode 2 (Horizontal Squeeze) to work in 3D. The catch is, you can only select the mode with the disc stopped.


The temp set up using a makeshift stand to sit the Mitsubishi on. I am also using (for test purposes only) one of my MK3+C lenses. The projector has to go back tomorrow. If I was able to hold it for a week, then I would have set up my MK4. The MK3+C surprised me allowing good focus edge to edge. Of course it is not as good a true cylindrical lens which can be dialed in the exact throw distance.

A quick screen cap to prove correct geometry.

The discs I was also loaned. I think the studios really need to re-think their strategy if they really want 3D to succeed. IMO, the 3 titles above represent some of the best 3D to date, yet I can't purchase any of these through normal retail channels. And it is SO wrong.

Me kicking back on a Sunday morning watching AVATAR in 3D.

I've only had this for about 24 hours and I am going to miss it when I have to return it tomorrow.
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Then it is a HE lens.

I have loaned a Mitsubishi HC9000 and SONY BD 3D player. It actually works for CIH allowing both "Anamorphic Mode 1" (Vertical Stretch) and Anamorphic Mode 2 (Horizontal Squeeze) to work in 3D. The catch is, you can only select the mode with the disc stopped.

The temp set up using a makeshift stand to sit the Mitsubishi on. I am also using (for test purposes only) one of my MK3+C lenses. The projector has to go back tomorrow. If I was able to hold it for a week, then I would have set up my MK4. The MK3+C surprised me allowing good focus edge to edge. Of course it is not as good a true cylindrical lens which can be dialed in the exact throw distance.

A quick screen cap to prove correct geometry.

The discs I was also loaned. I think the studios really need to re-think their strategy if they really want 3D to succeed. IMO, the 3 titles above represent some of the best 3D to date, yet I can't purchase any of these through normal retail channels. And it is SO wrong.

Me kicking back on a Sunday morning watching AVATAR in 3D.

I've only had this for about 24 hours and I am going to miss it when I have to return it tomorrow.

Avatar at 2.35:1? Are you cropping it?
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Avatar at 2.35:1? Are you cropping it?

Without going back into the "should it be X or Y?" debate too much, Cameron's own desire for the film is to have it shown as the largest possible image on any given system which is why is was seen as Scope in some 3D cinemas.

The largest image on my own system is Scope, so yes I am scaling it. It works and looks fantastic.

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I have the RS40 and Oppo 93 and been able to do vertical stretch with one or the other on every 3d or regular blu ray.

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I have the RS40 and Oppo 93 and been able to do vertical stretch with one or the other on every 3d or regular blu ray.

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Not found a 3D disc that is JAVA enhanced then?

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Not found a 3D disc that is JAVA enhanced then?


Not yet but, here are the ones I have:

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Grand Canyon
Despicable Me
Resident Evil Afterlife
Bolt
A Christmas Carol
Legend of the Guardians.

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Not yet but, here are the ones I have:

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Grand Canyon
Despicable Me
Resident Evil Afterlife
Bolt
A Christmas Carol
Legend of the Guardians.

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I am sure we could not get Resident Evil Afterlife to VS with the OPPO.

So you obviously like 3D then. I'm hooked. I had to take the projector back yesterday and have withdraws already.

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I do not understand the discussion I have an X-9 with panamorph anamorphic lens and a 130" Stewart Cine Curve screen. With Disciple Me and Alice in Wonderland I watch both in 3D with the anamorphic lens with an awesome 2.35 picture. I never have used the zoom method. The X9 does vertical stretch in any mode including 3D

AIW 3D is 1.78, so it is displaying incorrectly.
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About a month ago I've tried all my current 3d discs. Cloudy with Meatballs and Legends of Guardians were scalable. Alice in Wonderland, Despicable Me, Cats and Dogs, Shrek 4-pack, Space Station, Under the Sea were not. Of all the ones that are not scalable, only Shrek 4 is 2.35. The others can be displayed correctly by moving the lens.
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Just to add I am using a Oppo 93. While the anamorphic button does seems to function as the display shows off, anamorphic A, and anamorphic B as you cycle through them, nothing is happening to the picture while in 3D mode.
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My picture does vertical stretch in 3D mode when I push the anamorphic button
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My picture does vertical stretch in 3D mode when I push the anamorphic button

For which title(s)?

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alice in Wonderland

Has OPPO released a new FW then? Alice is also 1.85:1, so unless your HS'ing, does not need scaling.

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So the Panasonic scales?

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I have the RS40 and Oppo 93 and been able to do vertical stretch with one or the other on every 3d or regular blu ray.

Ian B

Hey Ian B,

I couldn't get my RS40/93 combo to stretch Avatar tonight through the player. Maybe I need to check some settings.

Do you have it on Auto, 1080p or source direct for resolution?
What do you have 3D on? Auto, on or forced?
What about your tv setup? 16x9 or 16x9 4x3 auto?

I can get it to stretch other 3D movies, just not Avatar.....
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The Panasonic does not do stretch I do it through my X-9. Tron also is scaleable.
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