List of scope HD DVD/Blu-Ray fims with subtitles in black bars? - AVS Forum
Forum Jump: 
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #1 of 80 Old 09-15-2007, 03:15 PM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
Tom Monahan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Butte, Montana Hometown of the late Evel Knievel
Posts: 2,717
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 18
After wasting 2 Blu-Ray rentals this week from Netflix because the english subtitles are in the black bars, can we come up with a running master list of scope films with this problem? I know Letters From... has this problem and after today I know Warriors of Heaven Blu-Ray and Curse of the Golden Flower Blu-Ray have this problem. I'm sure a list would even be of great use for those folks with 16x9 setups who use vertical maslking on scope films.

The wife wanted to rent Volver on HD and I wanted to rent The Lives of Others on HD but now until we know if those films have this problem we're passing on all scope non english films.

Tom

My equipment: JVC RS55 for 2D, BenQ W7000 for 3D, Carada 40x117 2.925:1 AR BW Criterion screen, Navatar .8 HD conversion lens, Darbee Darblet, region free Oppo BP93, Toshiba HD-A35 HD-DVD, JVC HD-DH5U D-Theater, Mitsubishi HS-HD 20000 DVHS, Pioneer CLD-97 LD player/AC-3 mod, B&K AC3 Demodulator
Tom Monahan is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 80 Old 09-15-2007, 03:21 PM
AVS Special Member
 
JDLIVE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Marlborough, MA
Posts: 2,894
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 23
Send a message via Yahoo to JDLIVE
The Lives of Others is safe for you to rent.
JDLIVE is offline  
post #3 of 80 Old 09-21-2007, 01:57 PM
Member
 
radical68's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 69
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I can list a few that are good with the subtitles. The Italian Job - Flightplan -Four Brothers - Basic Instinct. I will do an better lstakeout of my BD-titles soon
radical68 is offline  
post #4 of 80 Old 09-21-2007, 02:20 PM
AVS Special Member
 
lordcloud's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Salt Lake City
Posts: 2,308
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 44
I watched Volver recently, the subtitles are not in the black bars. Great movie by the way.

I LOVE MOVIES!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

lordcloud is offline  
post #5 of 80 Old 09-23-2007, 01:38 AM
Member
 
radical68's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 69
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Here are some cinemascope BD titles that are GOOD with the subtitles.

1.Eight Below. (Yellow subtitles)
2.Dark Water. (Yellow subtitles)
3.The Descent.
4.Shooter.
5.First Blood.
6.Dejavu.(Yellow subtitles)
7.Flightplan.(Yellow subtitles)
8.The Italian Job.
9.Four Brothers.
10.The Rock. (UK version)
11.Basic Instinct.
12.Mission Impossible. (Boxset)
radical68 is offline  
post #6 of 80 Old 12-07-2007, 09:42 AM
AVS Special Member
 
JDLIVE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Marlborough, MA
Posts: 2,894
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 23
Send a message via Yahoo to JDLIVE
Another BD film with subtitles in the black bars:

Black Book (Zwartboek). Good movie, frustrating to have to watch it so "small".
JDLIVE is offline  
post #7 of 80 Old 12-07-2007, 07:26 PM
AVS Addicted Member
 
Josh Z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Planet Boston, source of the spice, Melange.
Posts: 19,874
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 111 Post(s)
Liked: 288
For what it's worth, the UK Blu-ray edition of Black Book has subtitles in the picture. The disc is compatible with Region A.

Josh Z
Writer/Editor, High-Def Digest (Blog updated daily!)
Curator, Laserdisc Forever

My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employers.

Josh Z is offline  
post #8 of 80 Old 12-08-2007, 06:54 AM
AVS Special Member
 
JDLIVE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Marlborough, MA
Posts: 2,894
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 23
Send a message via Yahoo to JDLIVE
Thanks, but I don't think Netflix has that version.
JDLIVE is offline  
post #9 of 80 Old 12-10-2007, 11:23 AM
AVS Club Gold
 
Nasty N8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Lake in the hills IL
Posts: 1,136
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 12
Oceans 13 has the subs in the black bars very annoying.

Nate

www.NastyPerformance.com

10,000 Watts, custom built speakers, 10' CIH screen = Holy Crap
Nasty N8 is offline  
post #10 of 80 Old 12-10-2007, 02:32 PM
AVS Special Member
 
CAVX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 8,353
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Liked: 31
Has Samsung released the ezyveiw on any of their BD players? It would solve all the problems with subtitles and CIH...

Mark

Mark Techer

I love my Constant Image Height system!
CAVX is offline  
post #11 of 80 Old 12-11-2007, 04:19 PM
AVS Addicted Member
 
Josh Z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Planet Boston, source of the spice, Melange.
Posts: 19,874
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 111 Post(s)
Liked: 288
Quote:
Originally Posted by CAVX View Post

Has Samsung released the ezyveiw on any of their BD players? It would solve all the problems with subtitles and CIH...

On both Blu-ray and HD DVD, the ability to move subtitles must be encoded on the disc. The player can't do it on its own.

Josh Z
Writer/Editor, High-Def Digest (Blog updated daily!)
Curator, Laserdisc Forever

My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employers.

Josh Z is offline  
post #12 of 80 Old 12-18-2007, 11:43 AM
Member
 
radical68's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 69
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

On both Blu-ray and HD DVD, the ability to move subtitles must be encoded on the disc. The player can't do it on its own.

I most certainly hope that the movieindustry will release the next generation of HD DVD players with this option for moving the subs.

Or even better up, just simply put the subs in all the letterboxed movies where the subtitles belong.
radical68 is offline  
post #13 of 80 Old 12-21-2007, 08:11 PM
AVS Special Member
 
TSHA222's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: barely within my means
Posts: 1,164
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 54
Letters from Iwo Jima has the subs in the black bar. I tried to watch this last night. I'm going to have to set up a custom aspect ratio for it.
TSHA222 is offline  
post #14 of 80 Old 12-30-2007, 10:41 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Chad T's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Vincennes, Indiana
Posts: 1,575
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I've been just casually researching CIH and thought of this issue, then come to this forum to find this topic in the first page of posts. Interesting. Why would they put subtitles in the black bars? That doesn't even match what you see in the theater. Actually, in a minimal way, it alters the director's artistic vision. I think for this and many other reasons, it would be better for me to go with a 1.78 screen for now.

Have an Onkyo 805 receiver and having trouble setting up Audyssey? HERE is a mini how-to.Click HERE to check out my comparison review of 5 different projection screen fabrics.
Chad T is offline  
post #15 of 80 Old 12-30-2007, 10:49 PM
AVS Addicted Member
 
Gary Murrell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 10,927
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

On both Blu-ray and HD DVD, the ability to move subtitles must be encoded on the disc. The player can't do it on its own.

I don't think that is the case at all

use the zoom function on "Letters", button A, go to say 2x and then use the pan function with the directional keypad, what do you see? subtitles moving around with the image to any position you go

Toshiba could implement a position control bare minimum, sizing etc. maybe not, but they move already with the above test so who knows

-Gary
Gary Murrell is offline  
post #16 of 80 Old 12-31-2007, 10:53 AM
AVS Addicted Member
 
Josh Z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Planet Boston, source of the spice, Melange.
Posts: 19,874
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 111 Post(s)
Liked: 288
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary Murrell View Post

use the zoom function on "Letters", button A, go to say 2x and then use the pan function with the directional keypad, what do you see? subtitles moving around with the image to any position you go

Toshiba could implement a position control bare minimum, sizing etc. maybe not, but they move already with the above test so who knows

A very interesting discovery, Gary. I'll see if I can get my Toshiba contact to look into this, but he hasn't been very responsive lately.

Josh Z
Writer/Editor, High-Def Digest (Blog updated daily!)
Curator, Laserdisc Forever

My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employers.

Josh Z is offline  
post #17 of 80 Old 12-31-2007, 11:51 AM
Senior Member
 
ComputerCowboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 367
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 10
district b13 bluray has them in the bars

My InFocus projector has a scaler mode called letterbox text that almost fills the screen but accomidates some letter box in the bottom so the subs can be seen
ComputerCowboy is offline  
post #18 of 80 Old 12-31-2007, 11:59 AM
Senior Member
 
ls1115's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 223
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary Murrell View Post

use the zoom function on "Letters", button A, go to say 2x and then use the pan function with the directional keypad, what do you see? subtitles moving around with the image to any position you go
-Gary

Actually, one of the advertised features on La Môme (La Vie en Rose) is adjustable English subtitles (on both BD and HD) which work very much like that. Use key A to reposition the text on the screen and key B to change the text size.
ls1115 is offline  
post #19 of 80 Old 12-31-2007, 12:41 PM
AVS Addicted Member
 
Josh Z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Planet Boston, source of the spice, Melange.
Posts: 19,874
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 111 Post(s)
Liked: 288
Quote:
Originally Posted by ls1115 View Post

Actually, one of the advertised features on La Môme (La Vie en Rose) is adjustable English subtitles (on both BD and HD) which work very much like that. Use key A to reposition the text on the screen and key B to change the text size.

Most of Studio Canal's recent releases on HD DVD have included that feature. It's something that the studio had to specifically encode on the disc.

Josh Z
Writer/Editor, High-Def Digest (Blog updated daily!)
Curator, Laserdisc Forever

My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employers.

Josh Z is offline  
post #20 of 80 Old 01-01-2008, 04:11 PM
AVS Addicted Member
 
Gary Murrell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 10,927
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
thanks Josh, I just discovered this myself trying to fight the Letters disc anyway I could to get the most image, in the end I had to settle for adjustments on the VP50pro like we discussed before, what a shame

-Gary
Gary Murrell is offline  
post #21 of 80 Old 01-18-2008, 05:56 PM
Senior Member
 
ls1115's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 223
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

For what it's worth, the UK Blu-ray edition of Black Book has subtitles in the picture. The disc is compatible with Region A.

Thanks!! I was going to buy it this week!

So I'm off to good ol' Amazon.uk!
ls1115 is offline  
post #22 of 80 Old 01-23-2008, 05:37 PM
Member
 
homestand's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: lat 50.971380 long -114.057924
Posts: 59
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
A little off topic, but CBCHD often shows foreign films with subtitles.
Sometimes the subtitles are in the black bars of the scope film.
The frustrating thing is that sometimes CBC will stretch the picture
to fill a 16:9 screen. You might guess the result. The subtitles are
stretched off the broadcast.
I emailed them suggesting they not do that. No response from them
and the last time I checked CBC was still cutting off the subtitles on
CBCHD through BEV.

homestand
homestand is offline  
post #23 of 80 Old 05-27-2008, 08:04 AM
Advanced Member
 
syncguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 737
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Is there any progress in blu-ray subtitle problem for CIH. It appears that there is no solution as blu-ray disk association has stopped manufacturers repositioning subtitles because that violates so called "video path protection". Their XML based solution does not work in some players hence studios don't use it. What type of stuff-up is this? DVDs can reposition subtitles but not the blu-rays.

It appears that the blu-ray association is encouraging and also forcing people to seek unorthodox solutions like AnyDVD.
syncguy is offline  
post #24 of 80 Old 05-29-2008, 12:01 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Kilgore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Huntsville Ontario
Posts: 2,945
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 36 Post(s)
Liked: 162
I don't know how many people are like me, but I like to use English subtitles when watching a movie while listening to the audio commentary. That way, I can still follow the dialog of the movie at the same time. It's a real pain when they display them in the black bar area. The majority of Blu-ray movies I own are like this, and it's ridiculous that because of the way they are encoded that you can't move them. On the other hand, very few, if any HD-DVDs have the subtitles in the black bar areas.

I would like to mention that the Blu-ray release of I, Robot, in addition to having a stellar transfer, displays the subtitles in the movie image, and NOT in the Black Bars...so hooray for that.
Kilgore is online now  
post #25 of 80 Old 06-02-2008, 09:15 PM
Advanced Member
 
syncguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 737
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Any body, any solutions for the blu-ray subtitle problem. Appears to be a great stuff-up. Thanks.
syncguy is offline  
post #26 of 80 Old 06-07-2008, 03:07 AM
Advanced Member
 
syncguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 737
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I have posted this in the blu-ray forum:

Columbia Tristar Sony Pictures has stuffed the subtitles of the second Bollywood blu-ray movie Saawariya.

It has one line on the picture and the other on the black bar rendering the disk in its original form useless for CIH (continuous image height) displays thus forcing people to seek alternative solutions. How ridiculous.

I opened the case and asked my 12 year old son to insert the disk to our PS3 to be displayed on our Sony vw60 anxiously thinking Sony must have got the subtitles right. (We are a Sony family! Sony supports CIH by providing anamorphic stretch in vw60) Disk was played on the PS3, once selected the stuffed up subtitles appeared. My 12 year old son said: “Dad, they have stuffed up the subtitles. How can we watch this movie?” I did not have a friendly answer to that question. It is very interesting that my 12 year old boy said (without me influencing his thinking): “Dad, they have million subtitles in this, why didn’t they add another subtitle track fully on the picture, so we could have watched this movie.”

I had to explain to him the fact that some people have tunnel vision and it is very hard to force them to see outside of that tunnel. Also I had to explain that in some cases in some large organizations, the right hand does not know what the left hand does.

This is unfortunate and unbelievable. This could have been avoided very easily and it is ironic that this happened after informing Sony about this issue numerous times through this forum and other major forums. I am not sure anymore how to communicate with large companies …….

I urge blu-ray disk association to inform all studios about this (easily fixable) significant technical problem and request them to add an extra subtitle track fully on the picture for CIH displays and the zoomers. After all this is a matter of few more clicks in the authoring program. Please do this.

I wish Sony CEO read this post.
syncguy is offline  
post #27 of 80 Old 06-07-2008, 06:47 AM
AVS Club Gold
 
Art Sonneborn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Battle Creek,MI USA
Posts: 22,289
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked: 42
Unfortunately, Patton has the German Subtitles half in the bar half in the pixture area. Anytime there are Germans speaking this is an issue.

Art

My HT


iRule rules my theater
 

"If she's amazing she won't be easy,if she's easy she won't be amazing"

 

Bob Marley

Art Sonneborn is offline  
post #28 of 80 Old 06-07-2008, 06:50 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Chad T's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Vincennes, Indiana
Posts: 1,575
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
What do you CIH folks do when subtitles aren't within the screen area? Not watch the movie? Guess what they're saying? Watch in 16::9 in the middle of the screen with a smaller image and black bars? Affix something (temp screen extension?) below the screen to make the subtitles appear?

Have an Onkyo 805 receiver and having trouble setting up Audyssey? HERE is a mini how-to.Click HERE to check out my comparison review of 5 different projection screen fabrics.
Chad T is offline  
post #29 of 80 Old 06-07-2008, 09:22 AM
AVS Club Gold
 
Art Sonneborn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Battle Creek,MI USA
Posts: 22,289
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked: 42
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad T View Post

What do you CIH folks do when subtitles aren't within the screen area? Not watch the movie? Guess what they're saying? Watch in 16::9 in the middle of the screen with a smaller image and black bars? Affix something (temp screen extension?) below the screen to make the subtitles appear?

This just shows that in someways 2.35:1 set ups are ahead of their time. They are intruding 2.35 projectors (internal capability without anamorphic lenses using the 4K chip) at CEDIA. This will get more interesting.

Art

My HT


iRule rules my theater
 

"If she's amazing she won't be easy,if she's easy she won't be amazing"

 

Bob Marley

Art Sonneborn is offline  
post #30 of 80 Old 06-07-2008, 10:47 AM
AVS Club Gold
 
cal87's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Tracy, CA
Posts: 1,277
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Liked: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn View Post

This just shows that in someways 2.35:1 set ups are ahead of their time. They are intruding 2.35 projectors (internal capability without anamorphic lenses using the 4K chip) at CEDIA. This will get more interesting.

Art

Art,

Any word on similar offerings in the 1080P arena?
cal87 is online now  
Reply 2.35:1 Constant Image Height Chat

User Tag List

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off