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OneCall is an authorized reseller, though newegg is not. I wonder how that would work for warranty claims.


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OneCall is an authorized reseller, though newegg is not. I wonder how that would work for warranty claims.




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I see that OneCall is selling it for the same price through Amazon right now as well.
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Will Black Friday bring down the prices on this receiver ? Any thoughts ?
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Cheapest this AVR has been that I'm aware of was $649 at a Amazon Gold Box type limited time sale.

You've been occassionally able to buy it as a refrub for around the $650 mark too.

$699 for a new unit is a good price, and I woulnd't expect it will ever go very much lower.

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Cheapest this AVR has been that I'm aware of was $649 at a Amazon Gold Box type limited time sale.

You've been occassionally able to buy it as a refrub for around the $650 mark too.

$699 for a new unit is a good price, and I woulnd't expect it will ever go very much lower.

Obviously, this is the exception to the rule, but I paid $518.17 directly from Onkyo back in May. They had a brief special.
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$640. Last day at this price.

 

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I suggest that anyone interested in an 828 call JD at AVScience and see if he still has the other 828 in stock. I won't blab the price, but I got one from him for really cheap.
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I suggest that anyone interested in an 828 call JD at AVScience and see if he still has the other 828 in stock. I won't blab the price, but I got one from him for really cheap.

While I recommend supporting AVS, why would you want an 828 instead of an 818? The 828 is inferior to an 818.
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While I recommend supporting AVS, why would you want an 828 instead of an 818? The 828 is inferior to an 818.

I'd proffer "Why would you buy Onkyo, period?"

After their dreadful HDMI daughter board failures ( because they wanted to save 20-cents on some cpacitors) and asking $600+ for a repair, they'll never get another cent from me. Be warned
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While I recommend supporting AVS, why would you want an 828 instead of an 818? The 828 is inferior to an 818.

It's my understanding that the 818 doesn't support 4K switching.

EDIT: It also doesn't support DLNA, MHL, nor does it have built in Bluetooth and WiFi. And then there is all the HDMI stuff like ARC, Deep Color, CEC, SACD and PCM audio formats. Finally, I like to control my stuff from my tablet and the 818 doesn't support the remote app as I understand it anyway.
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I'd proffer "Why would you buy Onkyo, period?"

After their dreadful HDMI daughter board failures ( because they wanted to save 20-cents on some cpacitors) and asking $600+ for a repair, they'll never get another cent from me. Be warned

I have a 604B that's basically been on the whole time since I bought it 7 years ago. No surge protection and equipment stacked on top. It just bakes the entire time. Never a problem with HDMI or anything else for that matter. That's what squaretrade is for anyhow. If it breaks and can't be fixed, they just give me all my money back to put towards something else. I don't buy a lot of extended warranties, but some things are just a no-brainer like accidental damage protection on a tablet or an extended warranty on a TV or receiver.
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I have a 604B that's basically been on the whole time since I bought it 7 years ago. No surge protection and equipment stacked on top. It just bakes the entire time. Never a problem with HDMI or anything else for that matter. That's what squaretrade is for anyhow. If it breaks and can't be fixed, they just give me all my money back to put towards something else. I don't buy a lot of extended warranties, but some things are just a no-brainer like accidental damage protection on a tablet or an extended warranty on a TV or receiver.

I don't think that HDMI issue was on AVR's that old.

How much was the square trade and how long does it last?
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I don't think that HDMI issue was on AVR's that old.

 

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It's my understanding that the 818 doesn't support 4K switching.

EDIT: It also doesn't support DLNA, MHL, nor does it have built in Bluetooth and WiFi. And then there is all the HDMI stuff like ARC, Deep Color, CEC, SACD and PCM audio formats. Finally, I like to control my stuff from my tablet and the 818 doesn't support the remote app as I understand it anyway.

Everyone has different priorities with their equipment. To me, the inferior version of Audyssey trumps all of the other "gadgets". I don't think many people have 4k TVs and probably won't for a while. Also, I have everything hard wired, so the built in WiFi is irrelevant to me.

It sounds like the 828 is a better option for you and your requirements, but I will take superior sound quality over gadgets any day.

Besides, they sold the other 828 that they had the deal on! biggrin.gif

Edit: Also, about the Deep Color, etc., this is a post from the official 818 thread:

According to the 818 online manual, page 7, under features>processing;

HDMI (Audio Return Channel, 3D, DeepColor,
x.v.Color, Lip Sync, DTS-HD Master Audio, DTS-HD
High Resolution Audio, Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Digital
Plus, DSD and Multi-CH PCM)

I know it has Deep Color because I have turned it on/off on occasions.
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I don't think that HDMI issue was on AVR's that old.

How much was the square trade and how long does it last?

As hot as the thing runs, I'm actually surprised that there hasn't been any trouble with it. The warranty on my new receiver will be $90 - 30% ($63) for 3 years. Here is the low down on the warranty:
http://www.squaretrade.com/hometheater-warranty
the new TV cost me $169 - 30% ($118.30) for 4 years and here is the run down on it:
http://www.squaretrade.com/tv-warranty

Like I said, they seem like a no-brainer since the extended warranty is much less than the money I saved by purchasing the equipment on sale. They cover normal wear and tear damage and dead pixels or backlights, broken buttons, bad power supplies etc. So far I haven't had to make any claims, but the people that have sure say good things about them. They even go to bat for you with the manufacturer during the initial part of the warranty where the product is still covered by the manufacturer's warranty and pick up where they leave off during that period.

On the bad HDMI boards, I could see where ordinary caps could fail after a couple years of that much heat.
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As hot as the thing runs, I'm actually surprised that there hasn't been any trouble with it. The warranty on my new receiver will be $90 - 30% ($63) for 3 years. Here is the low down on the warranty:
http://www.squaretrade.com/hometheater-warranty
the new TV cost me $169 - 30% ($118.30) for 4 years and here is the run down on it:
http://www.squaretrade.com/tv-warranty

Like I said, they seem like a no-brainer since the extended warranty is much less than the money I saved by purchasing the equipment on sale. They cover normal wear and tear damage and dead pixels or backlights, broken buttons, bad power supplies etc. So far I haven't had to make any claims, but the people that have sure say good things about them. They even go to bat for you with the manufacturer during the initial part of the warranty where the product is still covered by the manufacturer's warranty and pick up where they leave off during that period.

On the bad HDMI boards, I could see where ordinary caps could fail after a couple years of that much heat.

Thanks for the warranty info

Regarding the caps, IMHO it's bordering on criminal for a $2000+ receiver. Apparently the same problem exists on Integra, which is supposed to be their high end product. It's beggars belief that anyone could build this product and not figure out this is gonna happen. I just bought a $160 Asus motherboard and that has military grade components on it. Anyway, enough said.
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Everyone has different priorities with their equipment. To me, the inferior version of Audyssey trumps all of the other "gadgets". I don't think many people have 4k TVs and probably won't for a while. Also, I have everything hard wired, so the built in WiFi is irrelevant to me.

It sounds like the 828 is a better option for you and your requirements, but I will take superior sound quality over gadgets any day.

Besides, they sold the other 828 that they had the deal on! biggrin.gif

Edit: Also, about the Deep Color, etc., this is a post from the official 818 thread:

According to the 818 online manual, page 7, under features>processing;

HDMI (Audio Return Channel, 3D, DeepColor,
x.v.Color, Lip Sync, DTS-HD Master Audio, DTS-HD
High Resolution Audio, Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Digital
Plus, DSD and Multi-CH PCM)

I know it has Deep Color because I have turned it on/off on occasions.

Ok, I stand corrected on the deep color stuff. 4K is definitely here though, just not within my price range yet. The whole reason I'm upgrading my receiver now is because I can't stand having only 2 HDMI ports and cable swapping all the time; the lack of support for Dolby Plus was the final straw. I've just upgraded to a 3d TV too, so it's definitely time for a new receiver. I checked them all out, but I decide to go with Onkyo because of functionality even though I'd read about the HDMI problems. I will use the hardwire for the network too, but the Bluetooth will be handy. I prefer using the tablet to four remote controls. I've tried a harmony and didn't like it, plus it wouldn't work with my new LG TV anyway since it has a "magic wand" wii like controller. There is an android app out there that is coming along nicely that integrates all your equipment into one app making this usable by people like my wife. wink.gif

Right now I'm running a media center PC, and old Roku, Chromecast, a 3D Blu-ray player, and a Wii. This is my attempt at getting rid of uverse since we only watch a limited amount of stuff and replacing it with streaming thru a high speed (75 mbps) cable connection. TV will be limited to my OTA outside antenna (>100 digital channels received), rented disks and streaming apps like netflix and encore play. I should be able to cut my TV/phone/internet bill by more than 50% and only lose a very limited amount of stuff that we actually care for. The cable will provide basic digital HD + starz/encore channels. The land line will become either magicjack + or that other 10/month service. Right now I only get about 6Mb/S and a bunch of channels I don't watch.
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Thanks for the warranty info

Regarding the caps, IMHO it's bordering on criminal for a $2000+ receiver. Apparently the same problem exists on Integra, which is supposed to be their high end product. It's beggars belief that anyone could build this product and not figure out this is gonna happen. I just bought a $160 Asus motherboard and that has military grade components on it. Anyway, enough said.

I don't know how old you are, but there have been two major rounds of bad cap motherboards over the years that I can recall. The first was due to industrial espionage gone wrong when an electrolyte formula was stolen but gotten wrong. This stuff went into scads of falsely branded capacitors and consequently a bunch of motherboards in the early 2000's. Then a few years (ca 2007) later there were a bunch of bad cap boards due to over-filled caps that would burst open. In both cases it was the high-end manufacturers that got hurt the worst since they thought they were buying a good product. Solid caps are definitely popular now. Electrolytic caps are typically the number one problem maker as they age (dry up, leak, change value and ESR) with time and heat only speeds things up.
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Ok, I stand corrected on the deep color stuff. 4K is definitely here though, just not within my price range yet. The whole reason I'm upgrading my receiver now is because I can't stand having only 2 HDMI ports and cable swapping all the time; the lack of support for Dolby Plus was the final straw. I've just upgraded to a 3d TV too, so it's definitely time for a new receiver. I checked them all out, but I decide to go with Onkyo because of functionality even though I'd read about the HDMI problems. I will use the hardwire for the network too, but the Bluetooth will be handy. I prefer using the tablet to four remote controls. I've tried a harmony and didn't like it, plus it wouldn't work with my new LG TV anyway since it has a "magic wand" wii like controller. There is an android app out there that is coming along nicely that integrates all your equipment into one app making this usable by people like my wife. wink.gif

Right now I'm running a media center PC, and old Roku, Chromecast, a 3D Blu-ray player, and a Wii. This is my attempt at getting rid of uverse since we only watch a limited amount of stuff and replacing it with streaming thru a high speed (75 mbps) cable connection. TV will be limited to my OTA outside antenna (>100 digital channels received), rented disks and streaming apps like netflix and encore play. I should be able to cut my TV/phone/internet bill by more than 50% and only lose a very limited amount of stuff that we actually care for. The cable will provide basic digital HD + starz/encore channels. The land line will become either magicjack + or that other 10/month service. Right now I only get about 6Mb/S and a bunch of channels I don't watch.

You could just buy an inexpensive HDMI switch ($50) and wait until you're ready to move to 4K and do it all at once. I'd definitely wait for HDMI2.0 if I was int he market
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You could just buy an inexpensive HDMI switch ($50) and wait until you're ready to move to 4K and do it all at once. I'd definitely wait for HDMI2.0 if I was int he market

Yeah, but I can't wait any longer and the HDMI switch won't solve my Dolby problems anyway, so I'm jumping on now. Right now it looks like HDMI 2.0 is mostly going to benefit gamers and I'm not a big gamer so... I figure by the time I can afford a 4K 3D TV that I'll be in the market for another receiver anyway. They'll probably have new, unsupported Dolby formats by then too.
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