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I already bpught from Crutchfield, but am looking for a competitor advertising lower so I can do a Price Rewind. For the Citi Price Rewind to work, it has to be an advertised price. So I could use Abt at $674, if they are advertising st $674. Unfortunately they don't even seem to have it on their website anymore.

I guess the newegg.com $799 deal with the $100 gift card does you no good either?

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I already bought from Crutchfield, but am looking for a competitor advertising lower so I can do a Price Rewind. For the Citi Price Rewind to work, it has to be an advertised price. So I could use Abt at $674, if they are advertising st $674. Unfortunately they don't even seem to have it on their website anymore.
Authorized dealers are only going to advertise the lowest pricing allowed under their dealer agreement. Negotiating these better deals in person/ online with them has been common practice for awhile now. For price matching you'll probably need another month or so for an authorized dealer with the manufactures ok but one of the bait and switch sites will probably start advertising lower sooner without a gift card to get you some money back sooner. Good luck.

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Authorized dealers are only going to advertise the lowest pricing allowed under their dealer agreement. Negotiating these better deals in person/ online with them has been common practice for awhile now. For price matching you'll probably need another month or so for an authorized dealer with the manufactures ok but one of the bait and switch sites will probably start advertising lower sooner without a gift card to get you some money back sooner. Good luck.
For Citi Price Rewind, there is no stipulation for "authorized dealer" for a price match. I got $500 Price match from them on my LG OLED65C7P by using "TVSuperstores" as a price match, a place which I hear is one that is a bait and switch scam.

That's the beauty of their Price match guarantee (at least currently!), these scammers are counted just like reputable firms!

I already found one at $699 that I've submitted for this Denon receiver (mentioned earlier in this same thread) but if I find another even lower I want to see if they will honor it.

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For Citi Price Rewind, there is no stipulation for "authorized dealer" for a price match. I got $500 Price match from them on my LG OLED65C7P by using "TVSuperstores" as a price match, a place wiphuch I hear is one that is a bait and switch scam.

That's the beauty of their Price match guarantee (at least currently!), these scammers are counted just like reputable firms!

I already found one at $699 that I've submitted for this Denon receiver (mentioned earlier in this same thread) but if I find another even lower I want to see if they will honor it.
I'm well aware of Citi cards price rewind policies. That's why I mentioned both authorized dealers and B&S sites in my post .

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For $500 more you can get the 6300h on ac4l for $1299... which is what I did
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For $500 more you can get the 6300h on ac4l for $1299... which is what I did
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Yes, but I got the additional 3 year warranty. Ac4l is an authorized dealer too.
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Yes, but I got the additional 3 year warranty. Ac4l is an authorized dealer too.
but you paid additional for the 3 year warranty?
My thought is that if you paid additional for the 3 year warranty that you can call a dealer and buy a new one for about the same price

I think A4L is only authorized to sell refurbished units

I am waiting for a X6300 for $999 new...
I think if I keep my eyes open and fact fast it can be done
I have gotten $1399 from an authorized dealer

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but you paid additional for the 3 year warranty?
My thought is that if you paid additional for the 3 year warranty that you can call a dealer and buy a new one for about the same price

I think A4L is only authorized to sell refurbished units

I am waiting for a X6300 for $999 new...
I think if I keep my eyes open and fact fast it can be done
I have gotten $1399 from an authorized dealer

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Yeah, I could've literally paid about $100 more for a new one, lol. But it's all good, I got it today, it looks great there's no nicks dings or anything else on it. Looks and smells brand spanking new so I'm happy.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but Denons warranty is 3 years, but I got 4 years for $1380 instead of $1400-1600 for 3 years.

Anyways, can't wait to get her going! Really great things I've heard
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Yeah, I could've literally paid about $100 more for a new one, lol. But it's all good, I got it today, it looks great there's no nicks dings or anything else on it. Looks and smells brand spanking new so I'm happy.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but Denons warranty is 3 years, but I got 4 years for $1380 instead of $1400-1600 for 3 years.

Anyways, can't wait to get her going! Really great things I've heard
Boy.....I demoed the 6300 at magnolia, 2 channel direct with B&w sm9's........sweet sounding unit. Definitely keeping my eye open for one. Wow is all I can say!
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but you paid additional for the 3 year warranty?
My thought is that if you paid additional for the 3 year warranty that you can call a dealer and buy a new one for about the same price

I think A4L is only authorized to sell refurbished units

I am waiting for a X6300 for $999 new...
I think if I keep my eyes open and fact fast it can be done
I have gotten $1399 from an authorized dealer

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Same --- looking for the $999 6300H to replace my $999 4520.

P.S. If you see one ... let me know!
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Same --- looking for the $999 6300H to replace my $999 4520.

P.S. If you see one ... let me know!
I hear you
I bought two new 4520's for $899 about 3 years ago
I sold one recently and bought a X4300...and I am not sure I am that satisfied...though it only cost me $200 more than I sold the 4520 for

I am looking for either a $999 Denon X6300 or a $999 Yamaha A2060...and I likely get rid of the X4300 I just purchased

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I hear you
I bought two new 4520's for $899 about 3 years ago
I sold one recently and bought a X4300...and I am not sure I am that satisfied...though it only cost me $200 more than I sold the 4520 for

I am looking for either a $999 Denon X6300 or a $999 Yamaha A2060...and I likely get rid of the X4300 I just purchased

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Yeah -- my 4520 came to $950 out the door after using a BB 10% coupon and paying tax. I use it as a pre-pro for my $999 Sherbourne 7-350 power amp from the Emotiva sale 4 years ago. Thank you Great Found Deals forum!
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Yeah -- my 4520 came to $950 out the door after using a BB 10% coupon and paying tax. I use it as a pre-pro for my $999 Sherbourne 7-350 power amp from the Emotiva sale 4 years ago. Thank you Great Found Deals forum!
I have a similar set up with a Sherborne amp...but using the Marantz 8802 pre/pro
I did pay more than you for my amp though..:-(

If you are looking to replace the 4520 in a prepro application I suggest you look at the Marantz 8802

I had an Marantz 8801 in that application before the 8802
IMO..the 8801 sounded just like the 4520
To be fair..I never used them in the same set up as the 4520's were used in some secondary applications...but I am still fairly certain of their sound similarity

I would highly recommend the Marantz 8802( or perhaps next generation coming in late 2018 I guess)

I think it would represent a step for you sonically over the Denon 4520

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I really want a Marantz 7011 but the 6300 will do. Looks like the prices have been upped this year for the 6300 and 7011. Last year the closeouts were $1199. May have to settle for a x4300. Probably wont matter as I am using a sunfire amp. I just love the look of the Marantz.
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I have a similar set up with a Sherborne amp...but using the Marantz 8802 pre/pro
I did pay more than you for my amp though..:-(

If you are looking to replace the 4520 in a prepro application I suggest you look at the Marantz 8802

I had an Marantz 8801 in that application before the 8802
IMO..the 8801 sounded just like the 4520
To be fair..I never used them in the same set up as the 4520's were used in some secondary applications...but I am still fairly certain of their sound similarity

I would highly recommend the Marantz 8802( or perhaps next generation coming in late 2018 I guess)

I think it would represent a step for you sonically over the Denon 4520

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6300H's feature sets that have me wanting it (ability to use onboard amps to drive overhead speakers, excellent UHD compatibility and the ability to customize Audyssey settings with the new app). Not present on the 8802.
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6300H's feature sets that have me wanting it (ability to use onboard amps to drive overhead speakers, excellent UHD compatibility and the ability to customize Audyssey settings with the new app). Not present on the 8802.
I was talking from strictly from a sonic/sound quality standpoint, especially for music...the 8802 represents quite an impressive package and its does pass 4K ..HDCP 2.2 and have the ability to decode channels for outboard speakers
I am not in love with Audyssey as a whole..so that was not art of my personal decision


But yes...from a full feature standpoint there are better values out there and at a pure dollars per channel view it is clearly not going to win
Even the X4300 represents an excellent value for the features/channels at a sub $800 price point

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I really want a Marantz 7011 but the 6300 will do. Looks like the prices have been upped this year for the 6300 and 7011. Last year the closeouts were $1199. May have to settle for a x4300. Probably wont matter as I am using a sunfire amp. I just love the look of the Marantz.
Agreed

I like the looks of the Marantz better as well..although that is a minor detail to me all things considered

The Marantz 7011 is more akin to the Denon X4300

The Denon X6300 should be a step up to either of them amp/power wise..if you need it
One dealer told me the X6300 had some higher grade capacitors as well over the X4300. I have no idea if that is true

If you are going separates and like the looks of the Marantz ...the Marantz 7703 pre/pro is probably about the same price as the 7011 is

If you want to stay in the same price range that is

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I hear you
I bought two new 4520's for $899 about 3 years ago
I sold one recently and bought a X4300...and I am not sure I am that satisfied...though it only cost me $200 more than I sold the 4520 for

I am looking for either a $999 Denon X6300 or a $999 Yamaha A2060...and I likely get rid of the X4300 I just purchased

Warren
The Yamaha A2060 had short term Amazon pre order pricing of $1121.79 plus tax that several buyers jumped on at the time but even last year's Denon X6200H never got below $1299 from authorized dealers with 2 less amps so maybe the former has a chance but I highly doubt the latter gets even close to a grand before selling out.


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The Yamaha A2060 had short term Amazon pre order pricing of
$1121.79 plus tax that several buyers jumped on at the time but even last year's Denon X6200H never got below $1299 from authorized dealers with 2 less amps so maybe the former has a chance but I highly doubt the latter gets even close to a grand before selling out.
I bought an open box Yamaha A2050 in January for $675 from Magnolia Home theater. I gave it to a family member as a gift.
I don't have high expectations for that type of deal from them this year as the stores don't seem to stock the newer A2060 except in rare instances
But I will continue to look..I have gotten lucky in the past for "limited availability" in store deals

There are a few here on AVS that got the X6200 last year for $1199..or so they have stated
I know an authorized dealer where I can buy the X6300 for $1399...I am just not interested at that price

The Yamaha's don't tend to have as a large of a discount from MSRP as the Denon's do

Personally..I think the X4300 will drop below the $674 that ABT was selling it for and the $699( net after giftcard ) that Newegg was
Perhaps not in the mass that they were available for 50% off MSRP...but still some availability
The X4300 is stocked at every Magnolia and there is really not telling how low that one will get in some limited store inventory type of basis

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I just checked my ListenUp invoice for the X6200 and it was $1299. I bought a new Yamaha 3040 about one month later for $999 from Crutchfield. I really did not need both units, but curiosity & stupidity got the better of me.
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I bought an open box Yamaha A2050 in January for $675 from Magnolia Home theater. I gave it to a family member as a gift.
Kudos. That was a good deal open box and why I think the A2060 has a chance of getting in your range.


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I don't have high expectations for that type of deal from them this year as the stores don't seem to stock the newer A2060 except in rare instances
But I will continue to look..I have gotten lucky in the past for "limited availability" in store deals
Nothing wrong with sniffing out deals. I'm all about that.

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There are a few here on AVS that got the X6200 last year for $1199..or so they have stated
Authorized dealers tapped out at $1299 because I was looking hard at the time. Ebay sellers hit $100 or so less but 2 more amps on board still probably keeps this years model closer to that $1500 than $999 but we'll see.

I wanted this same Denon as well and have been deal shopping it and last year's for 2 years now since even the X5200 but I couldn't see spending $700-$800 more for semi discrete amps for the mains, custom made transistors, gold plated clear speaker posts, dialogue level adjust, a 2nd internal cooling fan ,2 additional on board amps and 15 Watts more power. Great receiver though but not worth that much extra scratch IMHO.


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Yep, neither would I.

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The Yamaha's don't tend to have as a large of a discount from MSRP as the Denon's do
That applies to models below the X6*00.

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Personally..I think the X4300 will drop below the $674 that ABT was selling it for and the $699( net after giftcard ) that Newegg was
Perhaps not in the mass that they were available for 50% off MSRP...but still some availability
The X4300 is stocked at every Magnolia and there is really not telling how low that one will get in some limited store inventory type of basis

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That's actually already 53-55% of the original MSRP but at that discount I'm not looking to deal shop more to possibly save another 75 bucks or so and have to wait until November or December and try to find the last remaining models sitting on the shelf at some limited store inventory type of basis which usually means not at mine but good luck to you all the same.

I'm not hating on your strategy however and I like playing the waiting game as well and getting great deals but I made my living in retail and sometimes when the last few are left on the shelves there's also a higher chance those are the problem child's leftover for that year and shipping one way to Denon under warranty is on the customer for warranty repairs. I hope you get what your looking for though. You definitely have the patience and the insight for it. I feel good where I ended up at as well.

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Kudos. That was a good deal open box and why I think the A2060 has a chance of getting in your range.




Nothing wrong with sniffing out deals. I'm all about that.



Authorized dealers tapped out at $1299 because I was looking hard at the time. Ebay sellers hit $100 or so less but 2 more amps on board still probably keeps this years model closer to that $1500 than $999 but we'll see.

I wanted this same Denon as well and have been deal shopping it and last year's for 2 years now since even the X5200 but I couldn't see spending $700-$800 more for semi discrete amps for the mains, custom made transistors, gold plated clear speaker posts, dialogue level adjust, a 2nd internal cooling fan ,2 additional on board amps and 15 Watts more power. Great receiver though but not worth that much extra scratch IMHO.




Yep, neither would I.



That applies to models below the X6*00.



That's actually already 53-55% of the original MSRP but at that discount I'm not looking to deal shop more to possibly save another 75 bucks or so and have to wait until November or December and try to find the last remaining models sitting on the shelf at some limited store inventory type of basis which usually means not at mine but good luck to you all the same.

I'm not hating on your strategy however and I like playing the waiting game as well and getting great deals but I made my living in retail and sometimes when the last few are left on the shelves there's also a higher chance those are the problem child's leftover for that year and shipping one way to Denon under warranty is on the customer for warranty repairs. I hope you get what your looking for though. You definitely have the patience and the insight for it. I feel good where I ended up at as well.

I'm Tom by the way Warren. Good talking to you.
Hopefully so on finding the A2060. As I said before it was a special order item for Magnolia this year..unlike the A2050 was last year
So that makes for more limited inventory availability
They was a day when a magnolia home theater would stock higher end models. Today its typically only at their Magnolia design centers and even then its no where the level it used to be
Perhaps they figure after about $2000 the average buyer jumps to $4000-5000( or more) and then goes to brands like Arcam, Rotel etc


I saw some people say they paid( in the Denon thread) $1199 from authorized dealer for the X6200 last year

I actually bought an X4100 back when it was being discontinued for $380 and saw many others buying the X5200 for $500 from Magnolia stores that still had inventory and yes it was very limited
I actually started a thread on here after I snagged the X4100 in the Great deals thread
I didn't care for the X4100 so I sold it a month later

I actually bought a Denon 4520 for $899( 3 years ago) from a I think MSRP of $2499...so I think Denon does discount higher end models
It probably really hinges on unsold inventory levels

Fry's has had the X4300( and X4200 before it) for 50% sales for months now, as you probably know. They were in store only deals but they have been around long before now at the $799 price for the X4300 and $599 for the X3300
The lowest I have seen now, for the X4300, is the ABT deal for $674...which many have said they price matched elsewhere

This is actually just for a secondary listening environment for me as I am not looking to change out the Marantz 8802 that I used in my main HT
I bought the X4300..and perhaps its placebo.. But I don't think it sounds as good as the 4520 did
The 4520 sounded more "air-ry". I feel like with the X4300 the sound is more localized and pinpointed easilly
It certainly doesn't have the build quality of the 4520

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Hopefully so on finding the A2060. As I said before it was a special order item for Magnolia this year..unlike the A2050 was last year
So that makes for more limited inventory availability
They was a day when a magnolia home theater would stock higher end models. Today its typically only at their Magnolia design centers and even then its no where the level it used to be
Perhaps they figure after about $2000 the average buyer jumps to $4000-5000( or more) and then goes to brands like Arcam, Rotel etc
Yep, and funny story is you've actually also been to my Magnolia store as well in my own hometown of Mckinney ,Texas. You are a shopper Warren!


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I heard that number as well but from unauthorized. Either way it's $100 swing and it's where they stopped with 2 fewer on board amps last year so I'm pretty confidant this years won't hit under that. If I'm wrong I'm wrong but I very rarely am on things I shop. I did it for a living for too long in a lot more complicated and cut throat sales industry than AV receivers.



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I actually bought an X4100 back when it was being discontinued for $380 and saw many others buying the X5200 for $500 from Magnolia stores that still had inventory and yes it was very limited
I actually started a thread on here after I snagged the X4100 in the Great deals thread
I didn't care for the X4100 so I sold it a month later
I've read that thread before. Sweet deals but (on those 2 mentioned) very limited availability and 4K/height codec limited models. These are all "shop till you drop"/ " Who and what do you know" prices though and never for more than a few open box models at selected B&M stores. Great individual deals for those few but not realistic deals for the other 99.9%.

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I actually bought a Denon 4520 for $899( 3 years ago) from a I think MSRP of $2499...so I think Denon does discount higher end models
It probably really hinges on unsold inventory levels
Let me guess? Open box Magnolia store in December. $1499 was the widely available closeout price on that model so 40% off. You did a lot better. Still an outlier in my mind and not realistic for most buyers unfortunately. You did good though. Kudos.

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Fry's has had the X4300( and X4200 before it) for 50% sales for months now, as you probably know. They were in store only deals but they have been around long before now at the $799 price for the X4300 and $599 for the X3300
The lowest I have seen now, for the X4300, is the ABT deal for $674...which many have said they price matched elsewhere
Yeah, Fry's isn't a national chain and most all of their deals are in store only. A good trick is to pick in store pickup online though and pay in advance the day before physically going to the store itself.

For edification sake $674 wasn't the advertised deal through ABT though. It was $764 with a $100 gift card. Some buyers just negotiated with the seller to keep the card and got it for $699 and others asked them to apply the card off of the price after receiving the card first by certified mail for the $674.

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This is actually just for a secondary listening environment for me as I am not looking to change out the Marantz 8802 that I used in my main HT
I bought the X4300..and perhaps its placebo.. But I don't think it sounds as good as the 4520 did
Ah, got it. No I doubt it's the placebo effect. Flagship receivers have sounded better too many. That's a great piece of electronics.


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It certainly doesn't have the build quality of the 4520
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Good to know. I replaced an older made in Japan legacy Denon receiver with the X4300H and it weighs about the same but has better/newer tech and better room correction than my older model. I wanted the multi sub correction as well so I'm happy. I run a 5 channel outboard amp as well so When I decide to try Atmos the receiver itself will just be for the height speakers. Got the amp slightly used for a steal. I'll buy used amps among other things just not AV receivers.

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for those in disbelief ... here is the thread for the legendary $899 4520 (new - not open box) at Best Buy.

It was $999 and a 10% off coupon from the post office (change of address package) brought the price to $899 plus tax.

Denon AVR4520CI $999.98 @ BestBuy 2:00 AM

Amazon also matched the price at $999.
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for those in disbelief ... here is the thread for the legendary $899 4520 (new - not open box) at Best Buy.

It was $999 and a 10% off coupon from the post office (change of address package) brought the price to $899 plus tax.

Denon AVR4520CI $999.98 @ BestBuy 2:00 AM

Amazon also matched the price at $999.
I wasn't in disbelief. I believed him. Unfortunately I wasn't looking for a receiver upgrade at that time. Looks like I should have been. Kudos.

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Yep, and funny story is you've actually also been to my Magnolia store as well in my own hometown of Mckinney ,Texas. You are a shopper Warren!.
Yes...I am originally from the D/FW area and spend a few weeks there each year with the family
While I am there I do shop!!
I have actually bought a few things over the years at that Best Buy...the last thing was a B&W Center2 for "quite" a fire sale price last Christmas
Even lower than the current clearance price that Magnolia is selling them for as a matter of fact...



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I heard that number as well but from unauthorized. Either way it's $100 swing and it's where they stopped with 2 fewer on board amps last year so I'm pretty confidant this years won't hit under that. If I'm wrong I'm wrong but I very rarely am on things I shop. I did it for a living for too long in a lot more complicated and cut throat sales industry than AV receivers.
No..as I said before they said they were authorized
You might check the thread
Probably not a wide availability..but that is what the owner's stated




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I've read that thread before. Sweet deals but (on those 2 mentioned) very limited availability and 4K/height codec limited models. These are all "shop till you drop"/ " Who and what do you know" prices though and never for more than a few open box models at selected B&M stores. Great individual deals for those few but not realistic deals for the other 99.9%. .
Sure...the best deals are clearly never wide spread
That certainly doesn't mean they are not good deals and as I recall many got in on the X4100/X5200 deal...as I did I.
In fact I had 2-3 options on that deal at different stores on the X4100


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Let me guess? Open box Magnolia store in December. $1499 was the widely available closeout price on that model so 40% off. You did a lot better. Still an outlier in my mind and not realistic for most buyers unfortunately. You did good though. Kudos..
Not at all
As a matter of fact Best Buy shipped me the 4520 in a sealed box

LOL....I guess you have a criteria for a deal that it has to be on every ones website and clearly visible for 100% of the population to be counted as a realistic deal?..
My guess is that you didn't read the 4520 thread from a few years back..I posted pictures of the signage in the store. It was posted on the Best Buy website later and them Amazon actually price matched


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Yeah, Fry's isn't a national chain and most all of their deals are in store only. A good trick is to pick in store pickup online though and pay in advance the day before physically going to the store itself.

For edification sake $674 wasn't the advertised deal through ABT though. It was $764 with a $100 gift card. Some buyers just negotiated with the seller to keep the card and got it for $699 and others asked them to apply the card off of the price after receiving the card first by certified mail for the $674...
And more disclaimers..lol
For clarity...fry's has had this unit for $799 on sale about once a month for the last 7-8 months..as they did the X4200 before it at the same $799 price
Most times the prices were available for shipping on the first day of the sale and after that it was in store only
Fry's is about 15-15 states I think
I don't know of any national chains besides Best Buy that would have this unit

for clarity..IQ home entertainment was matching the ABT price of $674 with no giftcard..rebate needed
Great place..I bought my Marantz 8802 from them for $2600.00


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Ah, got it. No I doubt it's the placebo effect. Flagship receivers have sounded better too many. That's a great piece of electronics..
Well..I definitely think the 4520 sounded better
In fact I used to have an Marantz 8801 prepro running my main listening area and I used to think it sounded just like the 4520. My sherbourn amp , paired with the 8801, clearly had a lot more power but I used to think that the 4520 and 8801 were sonic equals
Again..maybe placebo as well..I think the 8802 is definitely a sonic upgrade from the 8801



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Good to know. I replaced an older made in Japan legacy Denon receiver with the X4300H and it weighs about the same but has better/newer tech and better room correction than my older model. I wanted the multi sub correction as well so I'm happy. I run a 5 channel outboard amp as well so When I decide to try Atmos the receiver itself will just be for the height speakers. Got the amp slightly used for a steal. I'll buy used amps among other things just not AV receivers.
My return period is closing in on the X4300...as I said before I had hoped to get an X6300 or A2060 for $999
They both seem to be holding in the $1250-1350 mark as they are both closed out for similar prices...so I am probably SOL
Oh well...the X4300 is only running a bedroom set up so I guess it going to be as good as it gets

I haven't changed amps in years..probably because the Sherbourm amp I purchased or the Rotel or B&K models I was considering, at the time, weigh close to 100lbs
So its a bit of work to pull 100 plus lbs out of the corner dedicated spot/stand I have for it and switch things out

I think I will have the 8802 for a while..I have heard better..especially for music..but they are significantly more in cost than the Marantz 8802 is

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Yes...I am originally from the D/FW area and spend a few weeks there each year with the family
While I am there I do shop!!
I have actually bought a few things over the years at that Best Buy...the last thing was a B&W Center2 for "quite" a fire sale price last Christmas
Even lower than the current clearance price that Magnolia is selling them for as a matter of fact...
Nothing wrong with shopping I do it every day. I meant you're a deal hunter and that was meant as a compliment not a knock.





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No..as I said before they said they were authorized
You might check the thread
Probably not a wide availability..but that is what the owner's stated
Got it and that's why I said either way with regards to the $100 swing. I've lived in that thread and other Denon threads here for the last few years and don't remember seeing it and my thread search didn't pull it up the other day but there's supposed to be no price talk in owners forums so maybe it got removed.





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Sure...the best deals are clearly never wide spread
That certainly doesn't mean they are not good deals and as I recall many got in on the X4100/X5200 deal...as I did I.
In fact I had 2-3 options on that deal at different stores on the X4100
True and good for you and them but like I said earlier those receivers were both missing HDCP 2.2 and DTS-X. I would have bought the X5200 myself otherwise at the time.






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Not at all
As a matter of fact Best Buy shipped me the 4520 in a sealed box
That's pretty great.

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LOL....I guess you have a criteria for a deal that it has to be on every ones website and clearly visible for 100% of the population to be counted as a realistic deal?..
By realistic I meant widespread(should have used that word instead as that's what I meant) and no I have very few criteria for much of anything these days.


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My guess is that you didn't read the 4520 thread from a few years back..I posted pictures of the signage in the store. It was posted on the Best Buy website later and them Amazon actually price matched
Well if your guess is I didn't read it back then when I wasn't looking for an AV receiver your guess would be right but I did read through it more recently and the deals were there like you said for a few days and then they weren't and Amazon probably price matched a few until BB sold out or the other stores said no which was also stated in that 5 page thread by a couple of posters.



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And more disclaimers..lol
For clarity...fry's has had this unit for $799 on sale about once a month for the last 7-8 months..as they did the X4200 before it at the same $799 price
Most times the prices were available for shipping on the first day of the sale and after that it was in store only
Fry's is about 15-15 states I think
I don't know of any national chains besides Best Buy that would have this unit
Not disclaimers just context and I've been on their promo code list for awhile now and visit the one in Plano fairly often. Very few have gotten these promo receivers shipped as they know they'll sell out quickly to the locals on SD's. 37 states Puerto Rico and the U.S Virgin Islands don't have access to one then at that count and that was my point there.

I actually like the Fry's in Plano. Especially a few guys in their TV dept. We've shot the breeze about being in retail and dealing with people in general. Almost bought a plasma TV from them but one of them told me about it having logos burnt into the screen so I passed. Good dude.



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for clarity..IQ home entertainment was matching the ABT price of $674 with no giftcard..rebate needed
Great place..I bought my Marantz 8802 from them for $2600.00
Yeah I saw you mention that. I like them as well as Sound Distributors and Onecall. I didn't get a rebate I got a credit to my card bringing it to $674 and ABT CS has treated me well so I'm happy they got the sale. Also glad someone else matched it so that more could take advantage of the deal. That's awesome.



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Well..I definitely think the 4520 sounded better
In fact I used to have an Marantz 8801 prepro running my main listening area and I used to think it sounded just like the 4520. My sherbourn amp , paired with the 8801, clearly had a lot more power but I used to think that the 4520 and 8801 were sonic equals
Again..maybe placebo as well..I think the 8802 is definitely a sonic upgrade from the 8801
I actually believe the flagships can sound better and I'm sure you have a well trained ear so I have no reason to doubt what you're saying. Nice amp.





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My return period is closing in on the X4300...as I said before I had hoped to get an X6300 or A2060 for $999
They both seem to be holding in the $1250-1350 mark as they are both closed out for similar prices...so I am probably SOL
Well I'm not betting against you and I highly doubt you've had to rely on much luck in your life.

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Oh well...the X4300 is only running a bedroom set up so I guess it going to be as good as it gets
Same here for the bedroom and it's holding it's own so far. I don't swap my electronics other than phones and tablets out very often so I do my research well in advance. Just didn't know it was going to be 2 years worth.

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I haven't changed amps in years..probably because the Sherbourm amp I purchased or the Rotel or B&K models I was considering, at the time, weigh close to 100lbs
So its a bit of work to pull 100 plus lbs out of the corner dedicated spot/stand I have for it and switch things out
Preaching to the choir on that one. My boat anchor amp weighs 50lbs and one staircase ride is all its getting until it croaks first or I do.

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I think I will have the 8802 for a while..I have heard better..especially for music..but they are significantly more in cost than the Marantz 8802 is

Warren
Well you've got a lot of very nice audio gear with a lot less invested than most I'm sure so I think you're doing alright in the sound dept.

Good talk.

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Nothing wrong with shopping I do it every day. I meant you're a deal hunter and that was meant as a compliment not a knock..
Ofcourse I am
I change items quite often..as you can probably guess
There has to be some outlet for the items I want to get rid of
Electronics, in the past several years, have had a short shelf life and value plummets
So I really need to buy as well as possible with that in mind

I also used to have a well stocked...but not very busy..Magnolia Home theater in central Illinois as part of my sales territory
That place had stuff left over that was long gone in some of the larger metro areas and it was very good to me...
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Got it and that's why I said either way with regards to the $100 swing. I've lived in that thread and other Denon threads here for the last few years and don't remember seeing it and my thread search didn't pull it up the other day but there's supposed to be no price talk in owners forums so maybe it got removed...
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True and good for you and them but like I said earlier those receivers were both missing HDCP 2.2 and DTS-X. I would have bought the X5200 myself otherwise at the time...
I am not running...nor do I have any plans on the table...to run over head speakers in a bedroom environment
So for me the lack of ATMOs and DTS-X was not a big deal
The HDCP 2.2 is easily worked around by using the 2nd HDMI output of your 4K blu ray player...which is what I am doing right now with the 2nd 4520 I purchased

I don't have experience with the 5200 so I cant speak to the sound. As I said before I bought the X4100 for about $350-375 and kept it for 30 days. I didn't care for it and sold it. I compared it back to back the 4520 and didn't like it







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That's pretty great..
Great...but a lot of us got that deal
As I recall when Best Buy went $999 the unit was still $1499 on their website
Then they changed it on their website and it about took down the 4520 forum with a few pages of "unauthorized " deal talk
Then Amazon matched and then inventory was gone


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By realistic I meant widespread(should have used that word instead as that's what I meant) and no I have very few criteria for much of anything these days...
So you mean a "day in day out" sale price?

No...I try to do my best not to EVER pay that..
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Well if your guess is I didn't read it back then when I wasn't looking for an AV receiver your guess would be right but I did read through it more recently and the deals were there like you said for a few days and then they weren't and Amazon probably price matched a few until BB sold out or the other stores said no which was also stated in that 5 page thread by a couple of posters....
Sounds about right from what I recall
I think the X4300 will drop again...I see $599
Not widespread...but I think there will be some available for those that are quick





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Not disclaimers just context and I've been on their promo code list for awhile now and visit the one in Plano fairly often. Very few have gotten these promo receivers shipped as they know they'll sell out quickly to the locals on SD's. 37 states Puerto Rico and the U.S Virgin Islands don't have access to one then at that count and that was my point there.

I actually like the Fry's in Plano. Especially a few guys in their TV dept. We've shot the breeze about being in retail and dealing with people in general. Almost bought a plasma TV from them but one of them told me about it having logos burnt into the screen so I passed. Good dude..
Well..its really hard to list states because fry's has such a presence in many large metro areas
So..yes..no stores in Montana..Oklahoma etc etc...but they have a large footprint considering they are in most metro areas with multi millions of people excluding the east coast






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Well I'm not betting against you and I highly doubt you've had to rely on much luck in your life.

"Luck is where preparation meets opportunity.".
We'll see....I have been fortunate to be in the right place at the right time
Also..knowing a few salespeople and who will deal and who wont helps as well






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Same here for the bedroom and it's holding it's own so far. I don't swap my electronics other than phones and tablets out very often so I do my research well in advance. Just didn't know it was going to be 2 years worth..
I give these AVR's a 2 year life span..unless you buy really high end models..like the X7200..where they offer you the updates , if needed, for a few years at no charge
Tv's have the shortest life...its about one and done with those these days






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Well you've got a lot of very nice audio gear with a lot less invested than most I'm sure so I think you're doing alright in the sound dept.

Good talk.
Thanks
I am currently trying to decide if I want an another pair of the B&W speakers that Magnolia is closing out
I bought several a few years ago at 65% off....when no one was discounting below 10-15%...
That's called the right Magnolia Home theater manager , the right time and me committing to buying the complete set of floor models he had on display
Their current clearance price is now getting down to the price I paid a few years ago...go figure

Trying to decide if I could compliment my set up with a pair of CM6's..used as surrounds

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Ofcourse I am
I change items quite often..as you can probably guess
There has to be some outlet for the items I want to get rid of
Electronics, in the past several years, have had a short shelf life and value plummets
So I really need to buy as well as possible with that in mind
Yep, that one I didn't have to guess. I used to turn car titles the same way so I get that last part as well.

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That place had stuff left over that was long gone in some of the larger metro areas and it was very good to me...
Sadly..that is not part of my territory anymore...
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Very true and it has been for me for other things but $1199 or $1299 still has me seeing the X6300H not getting much under $1400.







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I am not running...nor do I have any plans on the table...to run over head speakers in a bedroom environment
So for me the lack of ATMOs and DTS-X was not a big deal
The HDCP 2.2 is easily worked around by using the 2nd HDMI output of your 4K blu ray player...which is what I am doing right now with the 2nd 4520 I purchased
You don't have to run over head speakers to use the DTS Neural X upmixer or to use DTS-X but I understand your specific use not making it a big deal. It was to me though.

I'm aware of the workaround but you lose the volume OSD from the receiver and I knew the next years model was going to have those features. Plus I don't think any actual players were out at that time to know for sure they would offer the second audio only HDMI out. Glad they did though.

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I don't have experience with the 5200 so I cant speak to the sound. As I said before I bought the X4100 for about $350-375 and kept it for 30 days. I didn't care for it and sold it. I compared it back to back the 4520 and didn't like it
Understand.








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Great...but a lot of us got that deal
As I recall when Best Buy went $999 the unit was still $1499 on their website
Then they changed it on their website and it about took down the 4520 forum with a few pages of "unauthorized " deal talk
Then Amazon matched and then inventory was gone
Yeah like I said I wasn't in the market back then and didn't hang out in that owners thread. If by lots of us you mean AVSers then we're still talking about a subset of a subset.



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So you mean a "day in day out" sale price?
No, I mean a price that more than a few hundred AVSers can get. Think that's pretty clear. Least it is to me but I'm done beating the proverbial deceased equine on this one.




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Electronics age so fast and lose value so quickly
While the latter is always true the former kind of is and isn't. Electronics can last an extremely long time properly maintained but with HDMI now in the mix as the gatekeeper of all things DRM they have the consumer by the proverbial short hairs. I've gotten 10 years out of my last receiver and 8 or so out of the one before that. This one I'll probably keep only around 5 because of the HDMI issue.





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Sounds about right from what I recall
I think the X4300 will drop again...I see $599
Not widespread...but I think there will be some available for those that are quick
I don't disagree with your assessment at all. Sounds very possible. I just couldn't take the chance on shopping with so few remaining for the difference. I've seen and had to tell the last few deal shoppers that a closeout model was sold out as they came to the door right before closing time while those who showed up that morning got the deal and their vehicle. Being the last guy to get the deal is always a good feeling. Being the guy right after that not so much.







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Well..its really hard to list states because fry's has such a presence in many large metro areas
So..yes..no stores in Montana..Oklahoma etc etc...but they have a large footprint considering they are in most metro areas with multi millions of people excluding the east coast
Yep and in store only and they sell out very fast. This has all played out so many times on SD's It's literally Groundhog Day the movie each time but I'm happy. I paid less than that and got it delivered to my door to your 4520 point earlier.







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We'll see....I have been fortunate to be in the right place at the right time
Also..knowing a few salespeople and who will deal and who wont helps as well
Networking always helps.




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I give these AVR's a 2 year life span..unless you buy really high end models..like the X7200..where they offer you the updates , if needed, for a few years at no charge
Tv's have the shortest life...its about one and done with those these days
I believe you're talking about software lifespan here and I agree as well.




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Thanks
I am currently trying to decide if I want an another pair of the B&W speakers that Magnolia is closing out
I bought several a few years ago at 65% off....when no one was discounting below 10-15%...
That's called the right Magnolia Home theater manager , the right time and me committing to buying the complete set of floor models he had on display
Their current clearance price is now getting down to the price I paid a few years ago...go figure

Trying to decide if I could compliment my set up with a pair of CM6's..used as surrounds

Warren
Welcome and great point there with commitment to do business working both ways. When the buyer isn't ready to make a purchasing decision that kind of lessens the sellers motivation. It takes two to tango.

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