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Marantz 7703 - $1299

Outlaw audio is closing out their 7703 stock @ $1299 shipped during their secret Labor Day sale.

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What good is a sale if its a secret? Do you need to call to get the price?
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What good is a sale if its a secret? Do you need to call to get the price?
No calling but you do have to be on their email list, theyll send you an email and there is a bunch of hoops you have to jump through to get the price.

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No calling but you do have to be on their email list, theyll send you an email and there is a bunch of hoops you have to jump through to get the price.

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LOL..... " a bunch of hoops to jump through" to get basically get a Denon X4300 without the internal amps and add some XLR connectors

That unit can be bought for less than $700 with no hoops to jump through

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LOL..... " a bunch of hoops to jump through" to get basically get a Denon X4300 without the internal amps and add some XLR connectors

That unit can be bought for less than $700 with no hoops to jump through

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Agreed which why i think the way outlaw does yheir secret sales a complete non sense

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LOL..... " a bunch of hoops to jump through" to get basically get a Denon X4300 without the internal amps and add some XLR connectors

That unit can be bought for less than $700 with no hoops to jump through

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No 7.1 input on the X4300 , so really not the same unit.
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No 7.1 input on the X4300 , so really not the same unit.
are you sure about that?

check again

If you want a dedicated preamp perhaps the 7703 would be a better option as well...with the XLR connections

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are you sure about that?

check again
I have, and I'm sure. 7.1 analog input is only on Marantz units. Only the Denon 7200 has a 7.1 in - no other Denons do.
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I have, and I'm sure. 7.1 analog input is only on Marantz units. Only the Denon 7200 has a 7.1 in - no other Denons do.
Interesting
I am seeing the same inputs

Again..if you are running as a pre pro..then buy the 7703 and get the XLR's....and its the same money as the 7011

Architecture on the 7011, X4300 and 7703 are all the same

They might differ by a couple of inputs...but sonically the same



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Interesting
I am seeing the same inputs
I have spent a lot of time looking at the back of those Marantz and Denon receivers . Not sure where you are seeing a 7.1 analog in on the Denons. It's just not there. Not in their specs either.

Here is the AV7703 rear. Has 7.1 input.



Here is the Denon 4300H . No 7.1 input.

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I have spent a lot of time looking at the back of those Marantz and Denon receivers . Not sure where you are seeing a 7.1 analog in on the Denons. It's just not there. Not in their specs either.

Here is the AV7703 rear. Has 7.1 input.



Here is the Denon 4300H . No 7.1 input.

My bad

My mind was thinking pre outs....since that what is talked about far more frequently
I guess I would have to ask how many people really use those analog ins....especially when they by pass room correction?

I am betting that is getting even less use that component video is these days

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My bad

My mind was thinking pre outs....since that what is talked about far more frequently
I guess I would have to ask how many people really use those analog ins....especially when they by pass room correction?

I am betting that is getting even less use that component video is these days

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I don't know, but my Sony SCD-CE775 5-disc SACD changer are still going strong, as is my Yamaha DVD-C750 5-disc SACD/DVD-A changer. These don't have HDMI outs. I'm not aware of any equivalent components with HDMI outs. Only single disc players are available with HDMI for SACD and DVD-A, and not many of them. My changers are hooked up through Zektor MAS-3 switch and to 5.1 on my current receiver - Yamaha RX-A1000. Upgrade path from Yamaha is non-existent except the pricey CX-A5100 preamp which is their only model with 5.1 inputs. Denon only has their top of the line 7200 with multi-channel in, nothing else.

Marantz has the SR-6011/6012/7011/7012 receivers, and AV7703/AV7704 preamps, that all have 7.1 inputs, which is why I'm considering Marantz.

I went to Best buy before closing yesterday to buy a UBP-X800 player which does SACD and DVD-A. Played a few through HDMI. Even my 7-year old Yamaha receiver supports DSD over HDMI. I just never had a chance to test that feature. I did some unscientific A/B with the changers using analog OUT on the multi-channel ins. Can't say that I could have told a difference in sound quality. Volume may have been louder by a few dB with DSD over HDMI. I didn't measure the difference with my SPL meter. And of course DVD-A / MLP was uncompressed in the player and passed over HDMI as multi-channel PCM, so no issue.
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I don't know, but my Sony SCD-CE775 5-disc SACD changer are still going strong, as is my Yamaha DVD-C750 5-disc SACD/DVD-A changer. These don't have HDMI outs. I'm not aware of any equivalent components with HDMI outs. Only single disc players are available with HDMI for SACD and DVD-A, and not many of them. My changers are hooked up through Zektor MAS-3 switch and to 5.1 on my current receiver - Yamaha RX-A1000. Upgrade path from Yamaha is non-existent except the pricey CX-A5100 preamp which is their only model with 5.1 inputs. Denon only has their top of the line 7200 with multi-channel in, nothing else.

Marantz has the SR-6011/6012/7011/7012 receivers, and AV7703/AV7704 preamps, that all have 7.1 inputs, which is why I'm considering Marantz.

I went to Best buy before closing yesterday to buy a UBP-X800 player which does SACD and DVD-A. Played a few through HDMI. Even my 7-year old Yamaha receiver supports DSD over HDMI. I just never had a chance to test that feature. I did some unscientific A/B with the changers using analog OUT on the multi-channel ins. Can't say that I could have told a difference in sound quality. Volume may have been louder by a few dB with DSD over HDMI. I didn't measure the difference with my SPL meter. And of course DVD-A / MLP was uncompressed in the player and passed over HDMI as multi-channel PCM, so no issue.
I actually have a couple of these that I bought at Magnolia home theater for 75% off MSRP a few years ago...its actually does SACD, DVD-A as well as Blu ray discs

https://www.pioneerelectronics.com/P...ayers/BDP-52FD

I actually dont even use them any more due to the fact that I never used the SACD and DVD audio functions anyway and these Pioneer elite units were short on apps vs a common Samsung or Sony BD player

But if you wanted a player to do this all the newer Pioneer elites may do so..and I think as you mentioned the Sony is a one box solution as well

The Marantz up charge is quite steep over the sister Denon product considering they are the same under the skin as I understand until you get to the flagship product..the 8802

Cheaper alternative is to buy the Sony player , which I think can be found for under $200 ,and then buy the Denon unit

IN regard to room correction there is more than an SPL meter can do if you by pass the units HDMI inputs
You lose all of the room correction systems sound curve adjustments that it customizes to your room when you run the system

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I actually have a couple of these that I bought at Magnolia home theater for 75% off MSRP a few years ago...its actually does SACD, DVD-A as well as Blu ray discs

https://www.pioneerelectronics.com/P...ayers/BDP-52FD

I actually dont even use them any more due to the fact that I never used the SACD and DVD audio functions anyway and these Pioneer elite units were short on apps vs a common Samsung or Sony BD player

But if you wanted a player to do this all the newer Pioneer elites may do so..and I think as you mentioned the Sony is a one box solution as well

The Marantz up charge is quite steep over the sister Denon product considering they are the same under the skin as I understand until you get to the flagship product..the 8802

Cheaper alternative is to buy the Sony player , which I think can be found for under $200 ,and then buy the Denon unit

IN regard to room correction there is more than an SPL meter can do if you by pass the units HDMI inputs
You lose all of the room correction systems sound curve adjustments that it customizes to your room when you run the system

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The way I see it , the units to compare are SR6011 and AVRH4300 . Going for $999 and $799 respectively. So, $200 upcharge. Marantz has 7.1 in, the other doesn't . Wish there was a Yamaha upgrade in this price range for my RX-A1000. The $2500 CX-A5100 is too rich for me.

The player you mentioned is a single-disc player. The Sony SCD-CE775 and Yamaha DVD-C750 are each 5-disc players. Going through Zektor MAS-3 switch - that's the ability to switch between 10 multi-channel discs. Only possible on the Marantz, not Denon.
I honestly think a lot of that room correction is overrated, especially in a perfectly rectangular room which is my case. Used YPAO years ago. It's nice for adjusting levels, but I have turned off the parametric equalizer for different frequencies .
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The way I see it , the units to compare are SR6011 and AVRH4300 . Going for $999 and $799 respectively. So, $200 upcharge. Marantz has 7.1 in, the other doesn't . Wish there was a Yamaha upgrade in this price range for my RX-A1000. The $2500 CX-A5100 is too rich for me.

The player you mentioned is a single-disc player. The Sony SCD-CE775 and Yamaha DVD-C750 are each 5-disc players. Going through Zektor MAS-3 switch - that's the ability to switch between 10 multi-channel discs. Only possible on the Marantz, not Denon.
I honestly think a lot of that room correction is overrated, especially in a perfectly rectangular room which is my case. Used YPAO years ago. It's nice for adjusting levels, but I have turned off the parametric equalizer for different frequencies .
The sister unit to the Denon X4300 is the Marantz 7011
The Marantz 6011 sister unit is the Denon X3300

So you are mixing levels of units in your comparison

As far as room correction goes the Audyseey XT32 in these units is very regarded and has the capability to separately equalize two subs among other things
Its going to be much better than the older version of YPAO you are using now

Its unfortunate that they didnt continue to make multi disc players in the HDMI world
I just dont think there was a lot of interest in those products
I too have an old Sony multi disc DVD player..5 discs...it is HDMI capable player but I dont think I used it in 5 years

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The sister unit to the Denon X4300 is the Marantz 7011
The Marantz 6011 sister unit is the Denon X3300

So you are mixing levels of units in your comparison
The 6011 powers 9 amps and 11.2 preouts.
The X3300 powers 7 amps and 7.2 preouts.
I think those are fairly major differences.

X4300 and 7011 both have 11 amps and 11.2 preouts.
X4300 and 7011 both have 9 amps and 11.2 preouts. The X4300 has 11 speaker terminals, but apparently they can' be used all at once.

So I guess the 6011 is somewhere in between the X3300 and X4300 . Actually, I think the SR6011 / X4300 comparison is fairly valid given they are both 9 amps / 11.2 preouts receivers. Anyway, I have plenty of older spare amps/receivers for the missing 2 amp channels. And of course both X3300 and X4300 lack multi-channel in.

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As far as room correction goes the Audyseey XT32 in these units is very regarded and has the capability to separately equalize two subs among other things
Its going to be much better than the older version of YPAO you are using now
I am running with powered 4 subs, so I'm not really sure how helpful this will be. I calibrated the volume manually on each with SPL meter.

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Its unfortunate that they didnt continue to make multi disc players in the HDMI world
Yes, very sad. It looks like Sony had a 400 disc SACD / DVD changer, but it's discontinued. And those mechanisms tend to fail. I almost bought one years ago but didn't.

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I too have an old Sony multi disc DVD player..5 discs...it is HDMI capable player but I dont think I used it in 5 years
Does it bitstream DSD over HDMI like the UBP-X800 does ?

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Wouldn't the multi-channel inputs discussed earlier allow the AVR to be used as an amp? My Yamaha RX-A3040 has multi-channel inputs and I'm glad. Seems to me it would allow the unit to retain some value once the built in processing is no longer up to snuff. I believe Yamaha discontinued multi-channel inputs beginning with the 50 series.
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The 6011 powers 9 amps and 11.2 preouts.
The X3300 powers 7 amps and 7.2 preouts.
I think those are fairly major differences.

X4300 and 7011 both have 11 amps and 11.2 preouts.
X4300 and 7011 both have 9 amps and 11.2 preouts. The X4300 has 11 speaker terminals, but apparently they can' be used all at once.

So I guess the 6011 is somewhere in between the X3300 and X4300 . Actually, I think the SR6011 / X4300 comparison is fairly valid given they are both 9 amps / 11.2 preouts receivers. Anyway, I have plenty of older spare amps/receivers for the missing 2 amp channels. And of course both X3300 and X4300 lack multi-channel in.
Yes..I think the X4300 and 7011 share the same amp and power supply
They both have a cooling fan which the 6011 and 3300 do not have which leads me to believe that its a superior/higher end design

Also..I dont know if the 6011 has the Heos module capability or the Audyssey app?...the Denon 3300 does not

It seems that ...as I said before...the 3300 and 6011 share the same basic architecture with the 6011 have a couple of more channels

But it seems to be more of the same..like a 3300 extra model

The X4300 and 7011 have some differences they they both share over the 6011 and 3300
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I am running with powered 4 subs, so I'm not really sure how helpful this will be. I calibrated the volume manually on each with SPL meter.
As I said before..a good room correction system does a lot more than calibrate the levels
But..if you dont care about that then you dont..so be it
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Yes, very sad. It looks like Sony had a 400 disc SACD / DVD changer, but it's discontinued. And those mechanisms tend to fail. I almost bought one years ago but didn't.

Does it bitstream DSD over HDMI like the UBP-X800 does ?
I used to have one of those Sony blu ray changers. I bought it on clearance at Best Buy
I never used it to its full extent and it was too tall to fit on the over head shelves I had in my entertainment center so I sold it

As for the Sony 5 disc DVD/CD player
It does bit stream over HDMI...but I never use it and could probably get rid of it
I dont ever use it since its function are full filled by my blu ray player...and it doesnt play blu ray or even what I have been watching much more often...4K UHD discs

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Also..I dont know if the 6011 has the Heos module capability or the Audyssey app?...the Denon 3300 does not
No HeOS on the 6011. I am not very knowledgeable about it. In general I'm not crazy about proprietary systems, I prefer using some kind of standard so I'm not locked into one vendor.
It seems HeOS is primarily geared towards music streaming services. Not clear if/how I could stream my CDs or SACDs to another zone.

The multi-room aspect would be of interest, but from what I see on Denon's web site, requires HeOS wireless speakers which is a big no-no. I have 32 in-ceiling speakers in the house (16 zones total) in addition to the 9.4 home theater. They are powered from 2 chains of AVRs (one upstairs, one downstairs, since the speaker terminals are in 2 separate locations) which is not convenient and thus rarely used. I certainly would love to leverage them in a better way than I'm right now. If HeOS can do it, I'm all for it. Can it ?
It's not clear how many HeOS receivers/amps I would need, and if the system could really handle the main 9.2 home theater plus the other 16 zones. Sounds like big $$$ either way. I picked up all my old AVRs for cheap or recycled them over 20 years.
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No HeOS on the 6011. I am not very knowledgeable about it. In general I'm not crazy about proprietary systems, I prefer using some kind of standard so I'm not locked into one vendor.
It seems HeOS is primarily geared towards music streaming services. Not clear if/how I could stream my CDs or SACDs to another zone.

The multi-room aspect would be of interest, but from what I see on Denon's web site, requires HeOS wireless speakers which is a big no-no. I have 32 in-ceiling speakers in the house (16 zones total) in addition to the 9.4 home theater. They are powered from 2 chains of AVRs (one upstairs, one downstairs, since the speaker terminals are in 2 separate locations) which is not convenient and thus rarely used. I certainly would love to leverage them in a better way than I'm right now. If HeOS can do it, I'm all for it. Can it ?
It's not clear how many HeOS receivers/amps I would need, and if the system could really handle the main 9.2 home theater plus the other 16 zones. Sounds like big $$$ either way. I picked up all my old AVRs for cheap or recycled them over 20 years.
As I said before

the 3300 is a sister product to the 6011

The X4300 a sister product to the 7011

All of this makes sound like the X4300 is an pretty good deal as I assume the parts in the 4300/7011 are of higher quality

Clearly...if you dont want to use a feature you dont have to..vs not having it available

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Has anyone found this for cheaper? Warren, I have two 7 channel amps with both balanced and RCA options, do you think the 4300 would be better if it's the same inside? I was looking for balanced, but if it would save $500....
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