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post #1 of 18 Old 08-22-2014, 01:17 PM - Thread Starter
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Value Electronics 2014 Flat-Panel Shootout



Robert Zohn, president of Value Electronics, and Mark Henninger, senior writer at AVS Forum, talk about the 2014 flat-panel shootout held last weekend at Robert's retail showroom in Scarsdale, NY, including some history of the event, how the contenders are selected, why some anticipated models were not included, how the TVs are set up and calibrated, how content is distributed to the sets, the problem of evaluating picture quality from off axis, how the participant votes are tabulated, why two sets tied for first place, answers to chat-room questions, and more.


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it should be very easy to send UHD and 1080p of the same source with a PC with a couple of more GPUs..

biggest problem should be copy protection nothing else.
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Interesting episode and I enjoyed watching it. But it it still don't sell me on wanting to run out to buy a 4K tv or a Plasma tv. To be honest I don't think anything will at this point. But again interesting episode and I enjoyed it. Thanks Scott for posting it.
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Robert Zohn, president of Value Electronics, and Mark Henninger, senior writer at AVS Forum, talk about the 2014 flat-panel shootout held last weekend at Robert's retail showroom in Scarsdale, NY, including some history of the event, how the contenders are selected, why some anticipated models were not included, how the TVs are set up and calibrated, how content is distributed to the sets, the problem of evaluating picture quality from off axis, how the participant votes are tabulated, why two sets tied for first place, answers to chat-room questions, and more.

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Great Show! and Happy Birthday Scott!!
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Very well done. Really good show. Kudos to Mark and Robert. Looking forward to next year's shootout already.
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Scott, I really enjoyed this episode. It filled in a couple of gaps I had wondered about. It'll be interesting to see what the 2015 shootout will be like next year, especially if it's at a different/larger venue. Hopefully you can attend.

It was nice seeing both Robert and Mark discuss the shootout.

Any chance you can do a similar episode with the calibrators? It'd be interesting to hear their take on some of the topics.

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Great Show! and Happy Birthday Scott!!
Thanks! Had a great birthday celebration with my sweetie—a wonderful dinner at my favorite jazz supper club. I'm grateful for another orbit around the Sun!
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Scott, I really enjoyed this episode. It filled in a couple of gaps I had wondered about. It'll be interesting to see what the 2015 shootout will be like next year, especially if it's at a different/larger venue. Hopefully you can attend.

It was nice seeing both Robert and Mark discuss the shootout.

Any chance you can do a similar episode with the calibrators? It'd be interesting to hear their take on some of the topics.
One of the calibrators, Kevin Miller, was scheduled to be on the show, but he had to bow out at the last minute because he got a paying gig that could not be refused. I tried to get one of the other guys on the show, but it was too last-minute. I'll get one of them on a future show, because I agree that their take on things would be very interesting.

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One of the calibrators, Kevin Miller, was scheduled to be on the show, but he had to bow out at the last minute because he got a paying gig that could not be refused. I tried to get one of the other guys on the show, but it was too last-minute. I'll get one of them on a future show, because I agree that their take on things would be very interesting.
Calibrator Roundtable - real geeky.
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Scott, can you address why tvs nowadays have DSE problems? I think it was an important question we forgot to ask the manufacturers at the VE 2014 shootout

I know plasma is a dying breed now but I've owned a few pdps and some had severe DSE for no apparent reason and aside from leds/lcd tvs having light uniformity problems i have seen what appears to be streaks or vertical stripes that isn't due to light uniformity on them.

Additionally, I've read some owners on tv owner threads returning at least 3-4 displays of the same model due to a dirty screen look.....which I'm sure retail chains would love to avoid
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Happy birthday Scott!!!! Another great show as usual.
I wanted to suggest a different approach, regarding the best way to judge the sets at future events like this shoot-out.
Simple really, start the event with the people judging the sets based on "real world" footage example- BD movies/ streaming content and broadcast (Sat/cable).
This way there is a less likely hood of being swayed one way or another if we know what set seems to have the best contrast or colour or gamma etc.

Just a thought.

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Anybody know what the ftl of the tvs were at the shootout? 30 or 40 ftl?
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^^ I believe Kevin Miller said 40ftL and a gamma of 2.4.

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^^ I believe Kevin Miller said 40ftL and a gamma of 2.4.

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Even for day mode?
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Even for day mode?
I guess they only changed the gamma more is technical not needed
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I always enjoy Scotts TWiT Netcast. After thinking about this one
for awhile I came to the conclusion that what Robert Zohn really
demonstrated here was some really nice displays but that "4K/UHDTV",
whatever that is, is not nearly ready for prime time. At any price.
His dissertation on how he had to plumb content around was really telling
on where that technology is at. Maybe the 2015 Flat-Panel Shootout
will have a better organized content source.

The little tech tip on using a computer mouse pointer to locate
and count local dimming was Golden.
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3D is very important to me. This competition told me nothing that interests me. For all I know the two T.V.s that won are unwatchable in 3D due to excessive ghosting. Even if you only watched 3D (movies like Gravity, Life of Pi, Hugo) once in awhile wouldn't discovering that the "best" T.V. was pretty much unwatchable in 3D come as a bit of a shock? How embarrassing would it be to have company over to watch the "best T.V", put on a 3D movie only to find out it's unwatchable. Until someone includes 3D in the testing these shoot outs are meaningless (at least to me).
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3D is very important to me. This competition told me nothing that interests me. For all I know the two T.V.s that won are unwatchable in 3D due to excessive ghosting. Even if you only watched 3D (movies like Gravity, Life of Pi, Hugo) once in awhile wouldn't discovering that the "best" T.V. was pretty much unwatchable in 3D come as a bit of a shock? How embarrassing would it be to have company over to watch the "best T.V", put on a 3D movie only to find out it's unwatchable. Until someone includes 3D in the testing these shoot outs are meaningless (at least to me).
I can understand that. My family enjoy's 3D, and always want to gobble up new 3D flicks.

Having said that, even tho the competition did not delve into 3D, I found great input from the forums and other sites to be able to make a sound decision on what TV's have great 3D, and which do not.

I'd love to get my hands on a Blu Monster's Ball.-LilStinky

Refering to a possible release of said movie on BD LOL
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