Vizio P-Series - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Forum Jump: 
 42Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #1 of 48 Old 04-01-2016, 06:18 PM - Thread Starter
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Scott Wilkinson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Burbank, CA
Posts: 2,965
Mentioned: 62 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1621 Post(s)
Liked: 4374
Vizio P-Series

Tyler Pruitt (WiFi-Spy), technical liaison for SpectraCal, and Tom Forsythe (thomasfxlt), one of the first consumers to purchase a Vizio P-Series monitor, talk about the new game-changing display, including Dolby Vision and HDR10, wide color gamut, Google Cast, control via mobile device and Tom's wishlist for upgrading the included tablet, the lack of an OTA tuner, the feud between Amazon and Google that prevents the P-Series from streaming Amazon content, the challenges of calibrating for HDR, Tom's calibration results, answers to chat-room questions, and more. Below the video are some of Tom's pre- and post-calibration results from CalMan.



Here are Tom's BT.709 pre-calibration results for the P75 in the Calibrated Dark picture mode.


Here are the BT.709 post-calibration results.


Here are Tom's Dolby Vision pre-calibration results in the Calibrated Dark picture mode, using CalMan's Dolby Vision workflow.


Here are the Dolby Vision post-calibration results. In the current version, CalMan provides 2-point grayscale calibration for this set, and the grayscale dips in the midrange between the calibration points. But red, green, and blue stay tightly aligned, so the color of gray doesn't change.


Tom shot this photo of a paused frame from Heart of the Sea, which was streamed from Vudu in Dolby Vision, before calibration.


In this photo of the same frame after calibration (using the same photographic settings as the previous shot), you can see the color is more natural with no blue cast, and there is more detail in the embracing couple and muddy pathway.

Scott Wilkinson
Editor, AVS Forum

Last edited by Scott Wilkinson; 04-01-2016 at 10:14 PM.
Scott Wilkinson is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 48 Old 04-02-2016, 12:22 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
jjackkrash's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,075
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1193 Post(s)
Liked: 1029
Great video. Thanks to all involved.

I am really interested in Dolby Vision v. HDR10. My take from the Video is that there is calibration hope for Dolby Vision sets, but HDR10 is a standard-less hot mess with regard to trying to calibrate sets to play HDR10. Is there any hope for HDR10 in the near term in this regard, or is it simply too much of a free for all right now to even predict whether these problems can be solved?
thomasfxlt likes this.
jjackkrash is offline  
post #3 of 48 Old 04-02-2016, 04:49 PM
Member
 
ViciousLord's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 67
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 58 Post(s)
Liked: 22
Great video.. Vizio has my attention now.

I have only one pet peeve. Scott and Tom project energy and interest in the subject. I get the feeling Tyler doesn't want to be there. It's the same look I give my wife when she's talking to me during a critical moment in a movie.
Viper32 and thomasfxlt like this.

Last edited by ViciousLord; 04-02-2016 at 04:53 PM.
ViciousLord is offline  
 
post #4 of 48 Old 04-02-2016, 04:53 PM
Senior Member
 
eclipsegt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Seattle
Posts: 391
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 100 Post(s)
Liked: 119
This is probably the best TV launch I've ever seen. Vizio has made something that is better than the competition in many ways and they've done it for a price that is lower than the competition.

$2000 for a TV with 4K resolution, FALD, P3 color, HDR 10 and Dolby Vision is unheard of. In fact, you could also buy a decent 5.1 surround sound system and a UHD Blu-Ray player along with the TV and you'd still probably end up spending slightly less than if you had purchased one of the new Samsung, Sony's or LG's.

This is truly a shift in the industry and I eagerly look forward to seeing how and if Sony and Samsung respond. As of now, there is no other tv that offers this level of performance and value.

Hopefully this TV makes it into the VE shootout
eclipsegt is offline  
post #5 of 48 Old 04-02-2016, 05:02 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
NODES's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,905
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 653 Post(s)
Liked: 273
Vizio reminds me of Kia when they were at the bottom of the barrel.

Good for them.

Who needs 4K?... just go see your optometrist.
NODES is offline  
post #6 of 48 Old 04-02-2016, 06:15 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
swarm87's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: rhode island
Posts: 1,093
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 141 Post(s)
Liked: 106
great video, cant wait for my local BB to get the p65 in stock. might even pickup the 99$ calman home express bundle to calibrate the "TV"

pcm=potato
bitstream=patato
swarm87 is offline  
post #7 of 48 Old 04-02-2016, 08:30 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
thomasfxlt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 3,933
Mentioned: 95 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2582 Post(s)
Liked: 4900
Quote:
Originally Posted by ViciousLord View Post
Great video.. Vizio has my attention now.

I have only one pet peeve. Scott and Tom project energy and interest in the subject. I get the feeling Tyler doesn't want to be there. It's the same look I give my wife when she's talking to me during a critical moment in a movie.
Really smart guys just tend to be a bit more serious!
WiFi-Spy and ViciousLord like this.

Vizio 2016 P series FAQ, general info and Help
Home Theater Geeks: The Vizio P Series 2016 Show w/Scott, Tyler & Tom
Vizio P75C1 UHD/HDR/DV, Pioneer Elite SC-95, Samsung UHD Bluray K8500, AppleTV 4K, CC Ultra
thomasfxlt is offline  
post #8 of 48 Old 04-02-2016, 08:31 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
thomasfxlt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 3,933
Mentioned: 95 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2582 Post(s)
Liked: 4900
Quote:
Originally Posted by swarm87 View Post
great video, cant wait for my local BB to get the p65 in stock. might even pickup the 99$ calman home express bundle to calibrate the "TV"
You need Enthusiast to be able to do the DolbyVision workflow.
WiFi-Spy likes this.

Vizio 2016 P series FAQ, general info and Help
Home Theater Geeks: The Vizio P Series 2016 Show w/Scott, Tyler & Tom
Vizio P75C1 UHD/HDR/DV, Pioneer Elite SC-95, Samsung UHD Bluray K8500, AppleTV 4K, CC Ultra
thomasfxlt is offline  
post #9 of 48 Old 04-03-2016, 05:59 AM
Senior Member
 
GatorJZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 245
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 54 Post(s)
Liked: 61
Quote:
Originally Posted by thomasfxlt View Post
Really smart guys just tend to be a bit more serious!
You did a great job in that video, Thomas. The time flew by in it.
thomasfxlt likes this.

Samsung UN50HU8550, Vizio P602ui-B3 & Vizio M43‑C1.
GatorJZ is offline  
post #10 of 48 Old 04-03-2016, 06:19 AM
Member
 
johnnytex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 161
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 135 Post(s)
Liked: 106
Quote:
Originally Posted by thomasfxlt View Post
You need Enthusiast to be able to do the DolbyVision workflow.
Thomas

Being a total armature at calibrating, would the Home Express be a good place to start on HD?
johnnytex is offline  
post #11 of 48 Old 04-03-2016, 07:14 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
thomasfxlt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 3,933
Mentioned: 95 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2582 Post(s)
Liked: 4900
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnytex View Post
Thomas

Being a total armature at calibrating, would the Home Express be a good place to start on HD?
Sure, but it would just be for your non-HDR/DV sources. You can upgrade without penalty to Enthusiast later for the difference.

The meter may be a different discussion. I use an xRite i1DisplayPro, retail edition and it works fine. This may be the minimum meter to do HDR. SpectralCal has a few options as well I think geared more to the pro market.

I think I'd buy a meter that's somewhat future proof and scale up on software as you want.

Be aware as well that there are some specific limitations with graphics cards and setup for DV. SpectraCal can advise on this.

Vizio 2016 P series FAQ, general info and Help
Home Theater Geeks: The Vizio P Series 2016 Show w/Scott, Tyler & Tom
Vizio P75C1 UHD/HDR/DV, Pioneer Elite SC-95, Samsung UHD Bluray K8500, AppleTV 4K, CC Ultra

Last edited by thomasfxlt; 04-03-2016 at 07:30 AM.
thomasfxlt is offline  
post #12 of 48 Old 04-03-2016, 01:36 PM
Senior Member
 
reanimator's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 413
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 18 Post(s)
Liked: 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by eclipsegt View Post
This is probably the best TV launch I've ever seen.
I planned on waiting to see if Panasonic would get that 900 series over here in the US -- long story short, I had a Vizio P65 delivered last night. So far, very impressed.
thomasfxlt likes this.
reanimator is offline  
post #13 of 48 Old 04-03-2016, 07:42 PM
Senior Member
 
JThiessen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 423
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 29 Post(s)
Liked: 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by ViciousLord View Post
Great video.. Vizio has my attention now.

I have only one pet peeve. Scott and Tom project energy and interest in the subject. I get the feeling Tyler doesn't want to be there. It's the same look I give my wife when she's talking to me during a critical moment in a movie.
If you'd ever met Tyler, you'd know that wasn't the case! He's very focused on the details, not the talking.
WiFi-Spy likes this.
JThiessen is offline  
post #14 of 48 Old 04-03-2016, 08:48 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
pgwalsh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Tauranga, NZ
Posts: 2,368
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 509 Post(s)
Liked: 368
Well now I'm interested in the Vizio 75" and CalMan. However is it correct that CalMan only supports windows?
thomasfxlt likes this.

Builds: Maelstrom 21 Ottoman Build, Dual Opposed MFW's x 2, Statements, SEOS-12/TD12M x 5. Home Theater
On-deck: Finalists, The AviaTrix (soundbar), Statement II's, UM18x4
pgwalsh is offline  
post #15 of 48 Old 04-03-2016, 09:40 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
thomasfxlt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 3,933
Mentioned: 95 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2582 Post(s)
Liked: 4900
Quote:
Originally Posted by pgwalsh View Post
Well now I'm interested in the Vizio 75" and CalMan. However is it correct that CalMan only supports windows?
Yes, but I run Windows 10 in Boot Camp on my MacBook Pro.... It worked great.

It's quite the display. DV is the real deal.

Vizio 2016 P series FAQ, general info and Help
Home Theater Geeks: The Vizio P Series 2016 Show w/Scott, Tyler & Tom
Vizio P75C1 UHD/HDR/DV, Pioneer Elite SC-95, Samsung UHD Bluray K8500, AppleTV 4K, CC Ultra
thomasfxlt is offline  
post #16 of 48 Old 04-04-2016, 05:32 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
pgwalsh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Tauranga, NZ
Posts: 2,368
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 509 Post(s)
Liked: 368
Quote:
Originally Posted by thomasfxlt View Post
Yes, but I run Windows 10 in Boot Camp on my MacBook Pro.... It worked great.

It's quite the display. DV is the real deal.
Do you know if it'll work within virtualbox?

Builds: Maelstrom 21 Ottoman Build, Dual Opposed MFW's x 2, Statements, SEOS-12/TD12M x 5. Home Theater
On-deck: Finalists, The AviaTrix (soundbar), Statement II's, UM18x4
pgwalsh is offline  
post #17 of 48 Old 04-04-2016, 05:46 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
thomasfxlt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 3,933
Mentioned: 95 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2582 Post(s)
Liked: 4900
I do not. Tyler may know.

Vizio 2016 P series FAQ, general info and Help
Home Theater Geeks: The Vizio P Series 2016 Show w/Scott, Tyler & Tom
Vizio P75C1 UHD/HDR/DV, Pioneer Elite SC-95, Samsung UHD Bluray K8500, AppleTV 4K, CC Ultra
thomasfxlt is offline  
post #18 of 48 Old 04-04-2016, 05:57 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
6athome's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,359
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 521 Post(s)
Liked: 159
Scott how would the P series affect us HTPC people with Windows Media Center? I just upgraded( or downgraded) a XPS 8900 core 6 i7 too Windows 8.1 Pro with WMC. The new HTPC is intended for up and coming 4K TV"S. I just can't give up on WMC, there is no program out that will record content from a cable card and stream content from a HTPC ($4.99 for CC).
Unless MS comes up with a replacement for WMC, I will stick with 8.1 Pro with WMC.
I know TiVo is available, but a what cost? My first HTPC was a HP 9300t($650) with cable card, DRM, which had to be bought from HP or Dell, having a Cable Labs certification, for DRM.(digital rights management).
6athome is offline  
post #19 of 48 Old 04-04-2016, 06:01 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
shoman94's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Maine
Posts: 3,506
Mentioned: 126 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2440 Post(s)
Liked: 1907
I hope those dogs had a great meal!!! lol Nice job on the Episode guys!
thomasfxlt likes this.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
My P75-C1 Calibration Settings (3.2.13.3).
My P75-C1 BETA Calibration Settings (3.3.18.1).
Vizio P75-C1 (fw-3.3.18.1), Pioneer Kuro 5020, Pioneer VSX-1131, XBox One, Wii
NVIDIA SHIELD.v1, FireTV 4K, Antennas Direct DB4e w/Dipole OTA antenna and 2x HDHR Connects, QNAP 431+
shoman94 is offline  
post #20 of 48 Old 04-04-2016, 09:51 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
mtbdudex's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SE Michigan
Posts: 5,775
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 79 Post(s)
Liked: 789
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Wilkinson View Post
Tyler Pruitt (WiFi-Spy), technical liaison for SpectraCal, and Tom Forsythe (thomasfxlt), one of the first consumers to purchase a Vizio P-Series monitor, talk about the new game-changing display, including Dolby Vision and HDR10, wide color gamut, Google Cast, control via mobile device and Tom's wishlist for upgrading the included tablet, the lack of an OTA tuner, the feud between Amazon and Google that prevents the P-Series from streaming Amazon content, the challenges of calibrating for HDR, Tom's calibration results, answers to chat-room questions, and more. Below the video are some of Tom's pre- and post-calibration results from CalMan.

......
.....


In this photo of the same frame after calibration (using the same photographic settings as the previous shot), you can see the color is more natural with no blue cast, and there is more detail in the embracing couple and muddy pathway.
ahhh, so now I can see "clearly the mud" ... could not resist

seriously this is a game changer for sure, and will find it's way into many peoples family/living rooms.
Kudos to Vizio for their R&D and manuf efforts.
mtbdudex is offline  
post #21 of 48 Old 04-04-2016, 10:50 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
WiFi-Spy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 2,809
Mentioned: 58 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 521 Post(s)
Liked: 966
Quote:
Originally Posted by pgwalsh View Post
Do you know if it'll work within virtualbox?
We recommend VMware Fusion or Bootcamp if you have a Mac. Some people have used Virtualbox or Parallels, but we can't provide troubleshooting if you run into problems with USB.

Please note, that the Dolby Vision patterns only work in bootcamp and you must have an Nvidia or Intel GPU. Unfortunately, ATI GPUs don't current work with the Dolby Vision test pattern in CalMAN.
thomasfxlt likes this.

Tyler Pruitt - Technical Liaison - CalMAN

10 Bit Gradient Test Patterns (HEVC) - Free Download
WiFi-Spy is offline  
post #22 of 48 Old 04-04-2016, 12:03 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
HockeyoAJB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 2,022
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 975 Post(s)
Liked: 815
Tyler,

Regarding the post-cal delta E's in the Dolby Vision workflow, would it be fair to say that some of those high values come from the fact that the RS120 "Golden Reference" was being used in lieu of an actual P75 "Golden Reference"? In other words, can we expect the results for the 2-point calibration to be significantly better when the correct "Golden Reference" is used? Or, would we need to do an 11-point calibration to get the delta E's into the 3% or below range? Speaking of which, could you explain why you suggested to stick with the 2-point calibration instead of going to the 11-point calibration? I'm not sure if I heard correctly, but I thought you said something about an older firmware or software version being used?
HockeyoAJB is offline  
post #23 of 48 Old 04-04-2016, 12:41 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
WiFi-Spy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 2,809
Mentioned: 58 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 521 Post(s)
Liked: 966
Quote:
Originally Posted by HockeyoAJB View Post
Tyler,

Regarding the post-cal delta E's in the Dolby Vision workflow, would it be fair to say that some of those high values come from the fact that the RS120 "Golden Reference" was being used in lieu of an actual P75 "Golden Reference"? In other words, can we expect the results for the 2-point calibration to be significantly better when the correct "Golden Reference" is used? Or, would we need to do an 11-point calibration to get the delta E's into the 3% or below range? Speaking of which, could you explain why you suggested to stick with the 2-point calibration instead of going to the 11-point calibration? I'm not sure if I heard correctly, but I thought you said something about an older firmware or software version being used?
Absolutely, Thomas only did the 2pt calibration for Dolby Vision because we haven't released CalMAN 5.7 yet. Almost all of the dE error in those graphs are luminance errors because of the mismatch of the Golden Reference EOTF of the RS120 vs the P75.
thomasfxlt, HockeyoAJB and dnoonie like this.

Tyler Pruitt - Technical Liaison - CalMAN

10 Bit Gradient Test Patterns (HEVC) - Free Download
WiFi-Spy is offline  
post #24 of 48 Old 04-04-2016, 02:21 PM
Senior Member
 
TheNecromancer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Pinewood, MN
Posts: 206
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 162 Post(s)
Liked: 27
Dissapointed the Vizio no longer offers an 80" tv. Seems that stepping from a 75" ($3800) to a 120" ($129,000) may leave quite a gap.
TheNecromancer is online now  
post #25 of 48 Old 04-04-2016, 06:11 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
pgwalsh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Tauranga, NZ
Posts: 2,368
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 509 Post(s)
Liked: 368
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNecromancer View Post
Dissapointed the Vizio no longer offers an 80" tv. Seems that stepping from a 75" ($3800) to a 120" ($129,000) may leave quite a gap.
I can live with the 75", but sure would like to see an 85" or 95".
skoolpsyk and jjackkrash like this.

Builds: Maelstrom 21 Ottoman Build, Dual Opposed MFW's x 2, Statements, SEOS-12/TD12M x 5. Home Theater
On-deck: Finalists, The AviaTrix (soundbar), Statement II's, UM18x4
pgwalsh is offline  
post #26 of 48 Old 04-04-2016, 11:34 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
JustMike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
Posts: 2,273
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 61 Post(s)
Liked: 66
I just ordered one of these, so I'm really looking forward to seeing it. Question: if I wanted to buy a copy of CalMan and calibrate it rather than just using online settings, which sensors can I use to calibrate this display for Dolby Vision? I wasn't sure if the very expensive sensor is needed or if the lower cost ones will work. I don't see myself buying the C6-HDR given the cost compared to the cost of the display! :-)
pgwalsh likes this.

Mike Kobb
(Formerly "ReplayMike". These opinions are mine alone, and in no way reflect the opinions of employers past or present!)
"Mike's Money Pit" Build Thread
JustMike is offline  
post #27 of 48 Old 04-05-2016, 07:13 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
bluemoon737's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Portsmouth, NH
Posts: 2,395
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1242 Post(s)
Liked: 1586
Quote:
Originally Posted by thomasfxlt View Post
Sure, but it would just be for your non-HDR/DV sources. You can upgrade without penalty to Enthusiast later for the difference.

The meter may be a different discussion. I use an xRite i1DisplayPro, retail edition and it works fine. This may be the minimum meter to do HDR. SpectralCal has a few options as well I think geared more to the pro market.

I think I'd buy a meter that's somewhat future proof and scale up on software as you want.

Be aware as well that there are some specific limitations with graphics cards and setup for DV. SpectraCal can advise on this.
Quote:
Originally Posted by JustMike View Post
I just ordered one of these, so I'm really looking forward to seeing it. Question: if I wanted to buy a copy of CalMan and calibrate it rather than just using online settings, which sensors can I use to calibrate this display for Dolby Vision? I wasn't sure if the very expensive sensor is needed or if the lower cost ones will work. I don't see myself buying the C6-HDR given the cost compared to the cost of the display! :-)

See Thomas' info above...I think this meter is the lowest level you would want to go.

Sony XBR75Z9D
Yamaha RX-A3050
OPPO UDP-203
bluemoon737 is offline  
post #28 of 48 Old 04-06-2016, 03:40 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
JustMike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
Posts: 2,273
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 61 Post(s)
Liked: 66
Thanks very much! I had missed that reference. Still an expensive meter, but not nearly as expensive as the C6-HDR.

Mike Kobb
(Formerly "ReplayMike". These opinions are mine alone, and in no way reflect the opinions of employers past or present!)
"Mike's Money Pit" Build Thread
JustMike is offline  
post #29 of 48 Old 04-08-2016, 07:12 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
sspears's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 1999
Location: Sammamish, WA, USA
Posts: 5,116
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 162 Post(s)
Liked: 312
So I wanted to chime in. One of the questions that Scott asked Tyler was about light output of current HDR displays based on window size.



There are five HDR displays in this graph. Some 2015 and 2016 models. The names have been changed to protect the innocent. You will notice that 3 of the five displays go down in brightness as the window size gets larger. Two go the opposite direction. Which is better? In my opinion, HDR bright pixels are mostly specular highlights, which means small areas of the image. Therefor I would say that 1-3 are better in that regard.

Display number two, in my opinion, is by far the best HDR display in the graph for many reasons, none of which this graph will tell you. Display number three is my least favorite HDR display in the graph and in general.

Another question Scott raised was about not having any UI on the display and using a tablet / phone device. This is probably more of a personal preference. I will provide my personal opinion.

1. I think the ability to have an external app be able to adjust all of the picture controls is really cool. Some really cool stuff is going to be done with this, especially when I get some free time.
2. I do NOT like having to use a tablet / phone to select content to stream.
2a. Today if I have a group of people watching Netflix, we can all look at the TV and make our suggestions. In this new system, you have to huddle around the tablet.
2b. There is no tactile feedback. If I am in a dark theater and i need to look at a touch screen, the image will get bright and the IRIS of my eye will close to compensate. Then when I look back at the display, it will take time to re-adjust.
2c. With the R65 and other manufacturers displays, you can plug in a USB drive with content and play it. I have found this useful, especially with courses I take such as FXPHD.com We have not found a way to play them on the P series. I will concede that this is a niche feature, but its how I plan to release a version of my test content this year before I release a UHD BD product next year.
2d. While I mentioned that some cool stuff can be done with their API interface for control, I still like to have on-screen menus. As Tyler posted a while back, there was previously a code to access the menus. That has been removed with the latest firmware, which I think is a mistake.

I personally will not buy a display that uses a system like this where I can't view the content on the display itself. You could use an external box with apps on it, but they currently don't support HDR.

Again, these are just my personal preferences. If you are the type of person that is okay buying a new display every year or two, then many of the 2016 displays will hold you over nicely for year or two while things get sorted. And you will get plenty of HDR enjoyment today. If you are the type of person that buys a display and wants to keep it for 5+ years, then I would wait another year or two before buying a display.

I also agree with the stand VIZIO made about the UHDA Premium program. This is a logo program that is made up by some parties with a vested interest in having a logo program. To be fair, there are others that are part of UHDA Premium that actually want to raise the quality bar. Just because a display does not have the logo does not mean that it is not superior to a display with the logo. I believe a logo program like this needs to created by an independent 3rd party with no vested interest in what passes and fails. The UHDA premium program is a pretty low bar to pass. THX, for example, would carry much more weight in my opinion. Spears & Munsil could create a logo program, but I don't believe any consumer dispaly would pass it today. :-)
DanBa, King Richard and SnipeUout like this.

Last edited by sspears; 04-08-2016 at 07:23 PM.
sspears is offline  
post #30 of 48 Old 04-08-2016, 07:50 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
thomasfxlt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 3,933
Mentioned: 95 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2582 Post(s)
Liked: 4900
Quote:
Originally Posted by sspears View Post
So I wanted to chime in. One of the questions that Scott asked Tyler was about light output of current HDR displays based on window size.

There are five HDR displays in this graph. Some 2015 and 2016 models. The names have been changed to protect the innocent. You will notice that 3 of the five displays go down in brightness as the window size gets larger. Two go the opposite direction. Which is better? In my opinion, HDR bright pixels are mostly specular highlights, which means small areas of the image. Therefor I would say that 1-3 are better in that regard.

Display number two, in my opinion, is by far the best HDR display in the graph for many reasons, none of which this graph will tell you. Display number three is my least favorite HDR display in the graph and in general.

Another question Scott raised was about not having any UI on the display and using a tablet / phone device. This is probably more of a personal preference. I will provide my personal opinion.

1. I think the ability to have an external app be able to adjust all of the picture controls is really cool. Some really cool stuff is going to be done with this, especially when I get some free time.
2. I do NOT like having to use a tablet / phone to select content to stream.
2a. Today if I have a group of people watching Netflix, we can all look at the TV and make our suggestions. In this new system, you have to huddle around the tablet.
2b. There is no tactile feedback. If I am in a dark theater and i need to look at a touch screen, the image will get bright and the IRIS of my eye will close to compensate. Then when I look back at the display, it will take time to re-adjust.
2c. With the R65 and other manufacturers displays, you can plug in a USB drive with content and play it. I have found this useful, especially with courses I take such as FXPHD.com We have not found a way to play them on the P series. I will concede that this is a niche feature, but its how I plan to release a version of my test content this year before I release a UHD BD product next year.
2d. While I mentioned that some cool stuff can be done with their API interface for control, I still like to have on-screen menus. As Tyler posted a while back, there was previously a code to access the menus. That has been removed with the latest firmware, which I think is a mistake.

I personally will not buy a display that uses a system like this where I can't view the content on the display itself. You could use an external box with apps on it, but they currently don't support HDR.
Regarding on-screen display of content while browsing... you can cast/mirror your tablet to the display right now. Very simple. It's an extra step to start, but it could easily be a default function. It works perfectly well.

I agree that tactile buttons for a few fundamental operations are important; pause/play and mute for sure. I think a simple physical element like what's on the AppleTV remote would be perfect and sufficient plus would provide some track scrubbing options as well.
shoman94 likes this.

Vizio 2016 P series FAQ, general info and Help
Home Theater Geeks: The Vizio P Series 2016 Show w/Scott, Tyler & Tom
Vizio P75C1 UHD/HDR/DV, Pioneer Elite SC-95, Samsung UHD Bluray K8500, AppleTV 4K, CC Ultra
thomasfxlt is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply AVS Forum® Podcasts

Tags
Home Theater Geeks , vizio p series

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off