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Actually with modern cars, you MAY only "tune up" your car once... or never... depending on how long you keep it. In fact, there aren't even "tune-ups" any longer on modern cars... you replace the spark plugs at 100,000 miles and that's about it/ Spark plug leads might get replaced at 200,000 miles. Pretty mich all you worry about on modern cars is changing the oil and having the engine coolant and water pump serviced on a preventative schedule (also around100,000 miles unless it is recommended to replace the timing belt sooner), Plus the obvious things like brake pads, wiper blades, light bulbs (though if the car is all LEDs, even light bulbs might never be an issue).

All video displays drift to some degree, How much and how fast is the question. LEDs drift the slowest, but aren't the calibrate-once-and-forget solution that a lot of people seem to think. Plasma drifts fast enough that you might want to calibrate again in 2-3 years depending on how picky you are. Fluorescent backlights drift too... similar to plasma. Projection lamps drift the fastest... I could fine tune a projector with a conventional projection lamp every 400 hours of use to keep it "perfect" but most owners would probably be happy with a calibration about half-way through the life of a typical lamp (lamps are rated for 2000-5000 hours most of the time). Projection lamps will lose half their light output over their life, so you can imaging that the light spectrum they emit as they change would be very likely to change significantly.

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For trying to find a calibrator... there is a thread here that is monitored by many active calibrators called "ISF Calibrators - where are you located?" so you could either search for, say, Ohio and see what posts come up that refer to caliibrations in Ohio or you can post a message with your city and state and video display you want calibrated and see who responds. There are calibrators who only support the area they live in, but there are also calibrators who travel extensively to stay busy so they can make a living as a full-time calibrator.
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We can say that using a calibration disk without having meter/software you can do plenty of things, for example using Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk:



1. Display a Brightness Pattern to set the Black Level (Brightness Control) of the Display; to prevent crushing of shadow details or raised black levels.



2. Display a Contrast Pattern to set the White Level (Contrast Control) of the Display; to prevent color detail clipping up to peak white levels and above reference white level color shifts/discoloration. The limitation to this is that you don’t know you peak output without a meter/software to measure the 100% White patch.



3. Use Sharpness Pattern to prevent edge enhancement (halo/ringing effect) or soft contouring (blurring of the image details).
You can check using that Sharpness Pattern some display settings like: Reality Creation, Noise Reduction, MPEG Noise Reduction, Dot Noise Reduction, Noise Filtering, Detail Enhancer, Edge Enhancer, Super Resolution, Digital Clear View to see how they are affecting your image resolution.



4. Use Color Clipping Pattern to prevent clipping of each color channel (RGB), this sometimes can be fixed be removing some clicks from the contrast control also.
You can check display settings like Live Color, Dynamic Color or Color Enhancer etc.



5. Display a Grayscale Ramp Pattern and find by swapping thru the available color temperature modes (normal/warm1/warm2 etc) of your display; which looks more neutral to your eyes. (It's guessing by the user selection), but Don’t try to fix the RGB Balance based to your eyes and tweak the RGB-High/Low Controls without meter/software.



6. Display a Grayscale Full Step Pattern and check your various enhancements controls of your display; Advance Contrast, Black Tone, Black Correction, Advanced Contrast Enhancer, Auto Light Limiter, Clear White, Dynamic Contrast, Cinema Black, Smooth Gradationetc. to have a better view of the problems they introducing and to realize why you need to leave them untouched to prevent new problems. (no smooth color graduations, distortions, discoloration, clipping, banding, posterization, crushed shadow details, raised black levels etc.)



7. Display a convergence pattern to find which mode of your TV provides you the 1:1 Pixel Mapping, to be able to view the correct full 1920x1080 pixel resolution of your display.

There a lot of people that they don’t have a local tour calibrator to calibrate their displays so a calibration disk is their only way to make some adjustments to improve their display performance by spending only a few bucks by ordering a calibration disk or by downloading a free one.

There a lot of people also that they don’t want to spend 400-600$ to calibrate their display to meet the Standards for Blu-Ray Disk playback because they are not comfort with their economics for such that amount of money so a calibration disk is their temporary solution.

There other people where they have 4-5 displays at their home and they are not able to spend a large amount of money to a professional calibrator to calibrate them all or they prefer to call a pro calibrator for their main display and use a calibration disk for the others.

There a lot of people where a pro calibrator can’t reach them, they have the money to pay for that service but they are not able to find any calibrator…. There countries that don’t have a pro calibrator also…

Taking in count all the above cases, a calibration disk without meter/software can improve the stock display modes of any display and it’s a really value with high performance/price ratio that anyone can use. It’s the first step for anyone to realize that his display can perform better with the correct settings, and maybe it can trigger people to request services from a pro calibrator later.

We can say that by using only a calibration disk we can’t meet the REC.709 standards, this requires meter/software, but it will be a good improvement for a small amount of money or by downloading a free one from web.

Also is an introduction to what a display calibration can do, the user maybe be interested to buy meter/software to do DIY or hire a pro for this job.

Can we say that by using a calibration disk only that a display is calibrated? No, this requires meter/software/knowledge, but can improve a lot the factory default settings and it’s better solution from copying display settings from web.

But by using only a Calibration Disk you can't set your peak light output, perform RGB Balance of your grayscale, calibrate your Primary/Secondary Colors (Hue/Saturation/Lightness), fix your gamma levels etc. for REC.709 without a meter/software.
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V/P: eeColor 3D LUT Box - P/G: DVDO AVLab TPG
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We can say that using a calibration disk without having meter/software you can do plenty of things, for example:



1. Display a Brightness Pattern to set the Black Level (Brightness Control) of the Display; to prevent crushing of shadow details or raised black levels.



2. Display a Contrast Pattern to set the White Level (Contrast Control) of the Display; to prevent color detail clipping up to peak white levels and above reference white level color shifts/discoloration. The limitation to this is that you don’t know you peak output without a meter/software to measure the 100% White patch.



3. Use Sharpness Pattern to prevent edge enhancement (halo/ringing effect) or soft contouring (blurring of the image details).
You can check using that Sharpness Pattern some display settings like: Reality Creation, Noise Reduction, MPEG Noise Reduction, Dot Noise Reduction, Noise Filtering, Detail Enhancer, Edge Enhancer, Super Resolution, Digital Clear View to see how they are affecting your image resolution.



4. Use Color Clipping Pattern to prevent clipping of each color channel (RGB), this sometimes can be fixed be removing some clicks from the contrast control also.
You can check display settings like Live Color, Dynamic Color or Color Enhancer etc.



5. Display a Grayscale Ramp Pattern and find by swapping thru the available color temperature modes (normal/warm1/warm2 etc) of your display; which looks more neutral to your eyes. (It's guessing by the user selection), but Don’t try to fix the RGB Balance based to your eyes and tweak the RGB-High/Low Controls without meter/software.



6. Display a Grayscale Full Step Pattern and check your various enhancements controls of your display; Advance Contrast, Black Tone, Black Correction, Advanced Contrast Enhancer, Auto Light Limiter, Clear White, Dynamic Contrast, Cinema Black, Smooth Gradationetc. to have a better view of the problems they introducing and to realize why you need to leave them untouched to prevent new problems. (no smooth color graduations, distortions, discoloration, clipping, banding, posterization, crushed shadow details, raised black levels etc.)



7. Display a convergence pattern to find which mode of your TV provides you the 1:1 Pixel Mapping, to be able to view the correct full 1920x1080 pixel resolution of your display.

There a lot of people that they don’t have a local tour calibrator to calibrate their displays so a calibration disk is their only way to make some adjustments to improve their display performance by spending only a few bucks by ordering a calibration disk or by downloading a free one.

There a lot of people also that they don’t want to spend 400-600$ to calibrate their display to meet the Standards for Blu-Ray Disk playback because they are not comfort with their economics for such that amount of money so a calibration disk is their temporary solution.

There other people where they have 4-5 displays at their home and they are not able to spend a large amount of money to a professional calibrator to calibrate them all or they prefer to call a pro calibrator for their main display and use a calibration disk for the others.

There a lot of people where a pro calibrator can’t reach them, they have the money to pay for that service but they are not able to find any calibrator…. There countries that don’t have a pro calibrator also…

Taking in count all the above cases, a calibration disk without meter/software can improve the stock display modes of any display and it’s a really value with high performance/price ratio that anyone can use. It’s the first step for anyone to realize that his display can perform better with the correct settings, and maybe it can trigger people to request services from a pro calibrator later.

We can say that by using only a calibration disk we can’t meet the REC.709 standards, this requires meter/software, but it will be a good improvement for a small amount of money or by downloading a free one from web.

Also is an introduction to what a display calibration can do, the user maybe be interested to buy meter/software to do DIY or hire a pro for this job.

Can we say that by using a calibration disk only that a display is calibrated? No, this requires meter/software/knowledge, but can improve a lot the factory default settings and it’s better solution from copying display settings from web.

But by using only a Calibration Disk you can't set your peak light output, perform RGB Balance of your grayscale, calibrate your Primary/Secondary Colors (Hue/Saturation/Lightness), fix your gamma levels etc. for REC.709 without a meter/software.

+1, and a good article about the subject from Michael Chen is here:

http://www.tlvexp.ca/2012/01/calibration-who-died-and-made-you-god/
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As an amateur calibrater I continue to make mistakes and learn.

Michaels videos and webpage have helped me enormously but regarding discs I am amazed by what Ted has crammed into his disc. He caters for Chromapure, Calman and LS with easy links to these different calibration softwares.

It is not only a calibration disc it is also a great learning tool.that novices (like me) as well as experts can get benefit from.
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There some other calibration videos that may help for the initial display pre-calibration setup here.

Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk Free Version for Free Calibration Software: LightSpace DPS / CalMAN ColorChecker / HCFR
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Basic Video Calibration Webinar 101

This is a step by step calibration using CalMAN 4. All of the steps remain the same within the CalMAN 5 workflows.

Overall, this is more a How-to Calibration video rather than a How-to CalMAN 5 video.

PS: Another one 1H 26M video that may help.
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+1 Here for Ted's disk, has every pattern you could ever need and then some!


Highly recommended as it helped me not only setup my display easily but verify the finished calibration and spot any errors that needed ironing out!


If your serious about calibration, this is the disk to have.
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Ted, thanks for your wonderful disk.
A valid support for all calibrators, expert and novice!

Congratulations to you.
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Currently, I do not know a better calibration disc on the market. Every enthusiast who appreciates the quality of the image, you should have it. It contains practically everything you could need to set the perfect picture.

Thanks Ted, I can not imagine calibration without this disc.
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Over the weekend, I had some time checking out the patterns on the Teds Lightspace CMS Calibration disc. Although 3D LUT calibration using LightSpace CMS is the focal point of the disc, I think Ted could easily change the name of the disc, because the patterns and workflows on the disc are not dedicated only to Lightspace CMS calibration software. It can serve any calibrator out there, beginner or advanced.

The disc covers every aspect of disc based calibration including basic settings like Brightness, Contrast, Sharpness, Meter positioning and profiling, etc. This is all included in so called Pre-Calibration tools section. Whether you have Lightspace CMS, Calman or Chromapure, for meter profiling, the disc counts with all 3. All patches on the disc are 24p, 1080p and windows are standard 11.11% in size.

The most important thing Ted´s disc is promoting, is to calibrate the whole video chain. Blu-ray players, AVRs, video processors are not always color error free, so playing back the patterns from customers blu-ray player seems to be to best idea. 3D LUT calibration patches on the disc promote so called Display Independent Profiling, so you have to check how many seconds your meter needs for reading the darkest patches using Meter Time / Patch Finder. X-Rite´s iDisplay3Pro up to very fast meters such as K10A from Klein are covered.

The display characterisation section says it all. Here you can measure all important color points depending on the granularity you choose. You can do quick profiling to see how the display performs and then you can decide how many points ( 10point, 17point, 21points and some hybrids ) should be measured to obtain sufficient data base for creating a correction 3D LUT. It´s automated. Each profiling begins with a counter, so your job is only to hit the button to sync the read and patch speed. I strongly recommend to read this article before.

When the calibration is done and the 3D LUT is loaded into the 3D processor, the disc offers a Color Reproduction section including 12 subsections with 12 proffesional patches. Here the author recommends to "look for smooth color graduations, distortions, discoloration, clipping, banding, posterization, crushed shadow details, raised black levels."

To check how the 3D LUT processing works in place, use the Verify Calibration Tools section. Here the things get interesting. In general, using this section, you can verify how the 3D LUT processing changed the display characteristics using Lightspace/Calman/Chromapure workflow patches. But additionally, if you are not into the whole 3D LUT thing yet, you can use this section for a manual 1D LUT calibration using Calman or Chromapure ( display internal controls ). You will find ALL NECESSARY PATCHES here, so you dont need a signal generator. Of course it takes time having two remotes in your hand, but if you are ok with blu-ray disc based calibration, I call this a real value. Beside mandatory patterns, you will find all necessary patterns here including 75/100 Saturation/Intensity pattern options, Color Checker patterns, etc. Im a Chromapure user, so I dont know how many of these 1D LUT workflows can be fully automated in Calman ( I hope they can be ). Chromapure is not fully automated, some sections still require clicking on each color point.

Ted´s Lightspace CMS Calibration disc is proffesionally designed and if you look at the capabilities, there is no competition. The disc logic makes sense. And the biggest value of all? You get mail/chat/teamviewer support to understand how calibration using the disc works directly from the author.

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Over the weekend, I had some time checking out the patterns on the Teds Lightspace CMS Calibration disc. Although 3D LUT calibration using LightSpace CMS is the focal point of the disc, I think Ted could easily change the name of the disc, because the patterns and workflows on the disc are not dedicated only to Lightspace CMS calibration software. It can serve any calibrator out there, beginner or advanced.

The disc covers every aspect of disc based calibration including basic settings like Brightness, Contrast, Sharpness, Meter positioning and profiling, etc. This is all included in so called Pre-Calibration tools section. Whether you have Lightspace CMS, Calman or Chromapure, for meter profiling, the disc counts with all 3. All patches on the disc are 24p, 1080p and windows are standard 11.11% in size.

The most important thing Ted´s disc is promoting, is to calibrate the whole video chain. Blu-ray players, AVRs, video processors are not always color error free, so playing back the patterns from customers blu-ray player seems to be to best idea. 3D LUT calibration patches on the disc promote so called Display Independent Profiling, so you have to check how many seconds your meter needs for reading the darkest patches using Meter Time / Patch Finder. X-Rite´s iDisplay3Pro up to very fast meters such as K10A from Klein are covered.

The display characterisation section says it all. Here you can measure all important color points depending on the granularity you choose. You can do quick profiling to see how the display performs and then you can decide how many points ( 10point, 17point, 21points and some hybrids ) should be measured to obtain sufficient data base for creating a correction 3D LUT. It´s automated. Each profiling begins with a counter, so your job is only to hit the button to sync the read and patch speed. I strongly recommend to read this article before.

When the calibration is done and the 3D LUT is loaded into the 3D processor, the disc offers a Color Reproduction section including 12 subsections with 12 proffesional patches. Here the author recommends to "look for smooth color graduations, distortions, discoloration, clipping, banding, posterization, crushed shadow details, raised black levels."

To check how the 3D LUT processing works in place, use the Verify Calibration Tools section. Here the things get interesting. In general, using this section, you can verify how the 3D LUT processing changed the display characteristics using Lightspace/Calman/Chromapure workflow patches. But additionally, if you are not into the whole 3D LUT thing yet, you can use this section for a manual 1D LUT calibration using Calman or Chromapure ( display internal controls ). You will find ALL NECESSARY PATCHES here, so you dont need a signal generator. Of course it takes time having two remotes in your hand, but if you are ok with blu-ray disc based calibration, I call this a real value. Beside mandatory patterns, you will find all necessary patterns here including 75/100 Saturation/Intensity pattern options, Color Checker patterns, etc. Im a Chromapure user, so I dont know how many of these 1D LUT workflows can be fully automated in Calman ( I hope they can be ). Chromapure is not fully automated, some sections still require clicking on each color point.

Ted´s Lightspace CMS Calibration disc is proffesionally designed and if you look at the capabilities, there is no competition. The disc logic makes sense. And the biggest value of all? You get mail/chat/teamviewer support to understand how calibration using the disc works directly from the author.
Plutotype, thanks for the comprehensive and thoughtful. I am a relative newbie to calibration but am interested to learn more about 1-D LUT Calibration - does this mean standard CMS and 10 or 11-pt greyscale controls? Thanks to provide any pointers to where I can learn more...
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Yes, these patterns are on the Ted´s disc - for either Calman or Chromapure software workflows. Panasonics and Samsung TVs use 10point grayscale and 6 color CMS ( HSL or RGB models respectively ) and LG has 20-point controls + 6 color HSL CMS, which I strongly recommend to test. Recent LG OLEDs EC9300 and EC9700 intruduce false contours if you use the CMS controls. How to test this? Using the color reproduction patterns, which are another exclusive to the Ted´s disc. SONY´s are easy for 1D LUT approach, just a 2 point WB there and global controls for color and tint ( if the other stuff has been set correctly ), but to make them perfect I would recommend to create a 3D LUT using Lightspace HTL or HTP.

Display Calibration is a hell of a topic, just drop me an PM if you have any other specific questions.
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To check how the 3D LUT processing works in place, use the Verify Calibration Tools section. Here the things get interesting. In general, using this section, you can verify how the 3D LUT processing changed the display characteristics using Lightspace/Calman/Chromapure workflow patches. But additionally, if you are not into the whole 3D LUT thing yet, you can use this section for a manual 1D LUT calibration using Calman or Chromapure ( display internal controls ). You will find ALL NECESSARY PATCHES here, so you dont need a signal generator. Of course it takes time having two remotes in your hand, but if you are ok with blu-ray disc based calibration, I call this a real value.
Hello Plutotype, thanks for your review, one note: except the classic way of using a calibration disk from a stand-alone blu-ray player or media player that requires both hands, one hand for the player's remote and one hand for the calibration software, there another 2 unique features not available at other calibration disks:

Semi-Automated (one hand) for CalMAN/ChromaPure:

The chapters of the disk has been created based to the exact color patch order that each software requests them.... and the color patches are auto-changing to the next required patch per measurement run with the available time options to autochange the patterns for every 2 / 6 / 10 sec.

Klein users can use the 2 sec. per patch, id3/discus/i1pro users can use 6 or 10...this has to do with meter settings/display....

So the user will have only to start each one of these chapters and let the whole chapter flow...just needs from the user to hit with his mouse from the calibration software the 'meter read button' each time he will see at his screen each color.... this saves some time....

Automated (no hands) for CalMAN:

The user has only to do an initial action using an external batch utility that sends timed 'single meter read' commands to CalMAN, so this it doesn't require from the user to use his mouse or the blu-ray/media player remote again; it only needs an initial press of the keyboard button when the user will see the first pattern info screen at it's display.



You can try them to see how it works when you will have some free time.

There more instructions/example of use about how this works here.

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Hello ConnecTEDDD- you said "classic way ... one hand for the player's remote and one hand for the calibration software".
Sorry but I don't understand. Do you mean that I'd be using the Blu Ray player remote for selections on the disk and the TV remote for selecting and setting the TV picture controls?
I tried the Disney WOW disk and the videos were simplistic so I don't think I got any real value from it. I'm looking for a better disk (than that) to help me set the picture on our Vizio.
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Hello ConnecTEDDD- you said "classic way ... one hand for the player's remote and one hand for the calibration software".
Sorry but I don't understand. Do you mean that I'd be using the Blu Ray player remote for selections on the disk and the TV remote for selecting and setting the TV picture controls?
I tried the Disney WOW disk and the videos were simplistic so I don't think I got any real value from it. I'm looking for a better disk (than that) to help me set the picture on our Vizio.
Hi, When you want to calibrate a TV, you are starting with the Pre-Calibration Patterns to set Contrast/Brightness/Sharpness/Check for Color Clipping. To do this you need to display the required Chapter and use your TV remote to adjust each control.

After that pre-calibration you are moving to measurement with Meter/Software to find out which mode is the most accurate to start, which has better colorspace coverage and closer to ideal GrayScale (RGB Balance/Gamma) so you have to measure a lot of patterns to find out the correct mode. So you will need to measure 11-Point Grayscale (11 Patches), 4-Point Saturation (25 Patches) using the Calibration Disk as a pattern source.

So each measurement run will require from the user to use the Blu-Ray Player Remote, to select the required Chapter and using the mouse from the calibration software to press 'measure' to read each patch with the meter and after each read to use the Blu-Ray Remote next chapter button to select the next required color patch.

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Semi/Automated (CalMAN/ChromaPure); where the Disk Chapter is auto-changing to next required color patch per 2/6/10sec. and the user use only the measure button with it's mouse (not using the blu-ray remote anymore) and the

Automated (CalMAN); where the Disk Chapter is auto-changing to next required color patch per 2/6/10sec. and a external utility is pressing timed the measure button so the user don't need to use it's mouse again until the end of the measurement run of each chapter.

These 2 measurement solutions using Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk saves user some operations or all operations for the user until the end of these measurement runs that are described there. If you want to try how it works, you can download the Free Version to measure the performance of your display using the ColorCheckerClassic Chapter (24 Color Patches).

If you want to see what kind of calibration you can do if you don't have a meter/software, look here: What is the best calibration disc???

Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk Free Version for Free Calibration Software: LightSpace DPS / CalMAN ColorChecker / HCFR
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I have purchased both Spears and Munsil DVDs and have tinkered with them a bit, which have both been very helpful. Although I was curious to know with Ted's Lightspace Calibration DVD, besides a Blu Ray player (DUH!!!), what else do I need, ie software, equipment etc?! Also can it be done using my Xbox One as my Blu Ray source, or would you recommend me buying a separate Blu Ray player?
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I have purchased both Spears and Munsil DVDs and have tinkered with them a bit, which have both been very helpful. Although I was curious to know with Ted's Lightspace Calibration DVD, besides a Blu Ray player (DUH!!!), what else do I need, ie software, equipment etc?! Also can it be done using my Xbox One as my Blu Ray source, or would you recommend me buying a separate Blu Ray player?
Hello, Xbox One can't play Recordable Blu-ray (BD-R) due to DRM.

Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk is using a Blank Blu-Ray Disk Media from JVC Taiyo Yuden (for Professional Use) WaterShield - Glossy White Inkjet Printable BD-25GB (LTH Type) Single Layer Disc. (Made In Japan).

XboxOne users can use the Media Files Version of Ted's LightSpace CMS Disk that is including all contents of Blu-Ray Disk release in MP4 & MKV file format.

Your next step of improvement is to buy a X-Rite i1DisplayPRO colorimeter (best value for money), a lot of times there special offers online that you can buy it at a good price, use the Free Open Source HCFR Calibration Software and use Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk that features all the required Chapters/Patches to perform a complete calibration of your display using it's available internal calibration controls.

Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk Free Version for Free Calibration Software: LightSpace DPS / CalMAN ColorChecker / HCFR
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So in order to use my Xbox One to calibrate my TV, I will need to download the files onto a thumb drive & play it that way? I have a 2nd TV in our bedroom that I have a basic DVD player hooked up to it, but I plan on upgrading to a Blu Ray player sometime in the near future. Any recommendations on a Blu Ray player? Definitely not trying to go the "Oppo" route, WAAAAAAY out of my budget. :disappointed:
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Hello, Xbox One can't play Recordable Blu-ray (BD-R) due to DRM.

Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk is using a Blank Blu-Ray Disk Media from JVC Taiyo Yuden (for Professional Use) WaterShield - Glossy White Inkjet Printable BD-25GB (LTH Type) Single Layer Disc. (Made In Japan).

XboxOne users can use the Media Files Version of Ted's LightSpace CMS Disk that is including all contents of Blu-Ray Disk release in MP4 & MKV file format.

Your next step of improvement is to buy a X-Rite i1DisplayPRO colorimeter (best value for money), a lot of times there special offers online that you can buy it at a good price, use the Free Open Source HCFR Calibration Software and use Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk that features all the required Chapters/Patches to perform a complete calibration of your display using it's available internal calibration controls.
I looked at the HCFR software on the Source Forge website yesterday and I did not see mention of using it with the iOne. Prehaps I wasn't on the correct website?
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I looked at the HCFR software on the Source Forge website yesterday and I did not see mention of using it with the iOne. Prehaps I wasn't on the correct website?
Hi, HCFR supports the same meters with ArgyllCMS, here is the meter list.

To prevent confusion, you can see the X-Rite's i1Display PRO named also as Eye-One Display 3 or i1 DisplayPro or i1d3.

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Ok forgive me for my ignorance but I'm somewhat of a newbie when it comes to "in depth" calibration, but with X-Rite Pro doesn't it come with software where it can calibrate your TV monitor automatically? So why would one need Ted's Lightspace DVD? No offense being made, I'm just curious as to why we would need both?
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The XRite software, at least the last time I checked, was not adapted to setting TV screen values.
While the sensor (and the software) can "see" the light from the TV the results would not display in values that match the TV picture controls.
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Ah ok, now I'm starting to see the light. Well, I'm trying to save up for the X-Rite Pro now, because I am in need of calibrating my month old LG 65UB9200. Like I've mentioned before, I've been experimenting with Spears and Munsil 2nd Edition DVD but I know I am doing a lot of things wrong.
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Ok forgive me for my ignorance but I'm somewhat of a newbie when it comes to "in depth" calibration, but with X-Rite Pro doesn't it come with software where it can calibrate your TV monitor automatically? So why would one need Ted's Lightspace DVD? No offense being made, I'm just curious as to why we would need both?
Hi, X-Rite's i1Profiler can be used to calibrate your PC Monitor. It's direct connecting with your Monitor RGB Balance controls and it's auto-adjusting these settings only. After the end it's generating an ICC file. To fully take advantage of the ICC correction you need an application that can read ICC correction, software like PhotoShop.

To your windows or other applications that is not supporting ICC, it will correct the VCGT (Video Card Gamma Table), this means RGB Balance (Grayscale) and Gamma, your Gamut is not corrected by VCGT.

To calibrate a Display, you will need a software, like the HCFR (Free Open Source), or CalMAN/ChromaPure to take the required measurements and manually adjust the internal calibration controls that each display features, like multiple Grayscale controls (10/20-Point) and for Gamut, Hue/Saturation/Lightness or Red/Green/Blue (Samsung) Controls for each Primary (Red,Green,Blue) or Secondary (Cyan, Magenta, Yellow) Colors. It's up to each TV model which calibration controls will feature.

To display the required patterns you can use a calibration disk and play it from your actual movie source device (Blu-Ray Player or Media Player), there free ones available (like AVSHD or GCD or MCD) or others that you can buy which are more complete.

Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk Free Version for Free Calibration Software: LightSpace DPS / CalMAN ColorChecker / HCFR
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So with your disc what software would you recommend to calibrate my LG 65UB9200 LED TV? Also my Xbox One is my source I take it I will have to download your disc to a thumb drive?
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So with your disc what software would you recommend to calibrate my LG 65UB9200 LED TV? Also my Xbox One is my source I take it I will have to download your disc to a thumb drive?
Hi, for Xbox One, you can use the Media Files (MP4+MKV) Version of the Disk.

As a software you can use whatever software you like. HCFR is free, ChromaPure is simple to use for new users, CalMAN has great layout/presentation. Any of that 3 software solutions you will choose, you will have the same final results.

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Hi, for Xbox One, you can use the Media Files (MP4+MKV) Version of the Disk.

As a software you can use whatever software you like. HCFR is free, ChromaPure is simple to use for new users, CalMAN has great layout/presentation. Any of that 3 software solutions you will choose, you will have the same final results.
Ok cool. Hope to order MP4 version some time soon. Thanks for your patience & input.
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