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X-Rite has developed a new and I think ground-breaking colorimeter, the i1 Display Pro III, which most will probably refer to as simply the Display 3.

It is not simply an update to the Display 2. It is a completely different design with an unprecedented price/performance ratio.

For a full review and online demos, see the ChromaPure web site.


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Truly Amazing Performance For The Price! I Will Pre-Order it for sure!

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Truly Amazing Performance For The Price! I Will Pre-Order it for sure!

Out of curiosity, I see in your signature line that you already have a Chroma 5. Is the increase in read speed your reason for a new meter?

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Mainly, The Lower Light Reading & The Repeatabily @ Very Low Levels Is The Reason.

I Want To Set More Accurate The 1,2,3,4% Patterns For My Pioneer KURO Using AVFoundry VideoEQ PRO.

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Mainly, The Lower Light Reading & The Repeatabily @ Very Low Levels Is The Reason. I Want To Set More Accurate The 1,2,3,4% Patterns For My Pioneer KURO Using AVFoundry VideoEQ PRO.

Ah. Makes sense.

"The Chroma 5 is rated down to 0.01 cd/m2 and this seems about right. However, the Display 3 will read light that is one-third as bright."

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With My KURO, I'm using Chroma 5 @ CRT Mode Only. I Have By Far Greater Repeatability @ Luminence Readings Using This Mode, More Stable.

Chroma 5 Reads 0.025-1000 cd/m2 Using CRT Mode.

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How does it behave on WCG displays? Does it need unique correction matrices for the usual PDPs? I guess they do but who knows...

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Tom, does it put much if any physical pressure on the screen when using the counterweight in contact mode? I'm wondering if it will be OK with sensitive LCD screens.
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It is very light weight, so I doubt that this would be a problem. I would use it in the non-contact mode in any case to avoid the problem altogether.

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Tom, does it put much if any physical pressure on the screen when using the counterweight in contact mode? I'm wondering if it will be OK with sensitive LCD screens.


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How does it behave on WCG displays? Does it need unique correction matrices for the usual PDPs? I guess they do but who knows...

I read these information about i1Display PRO @ Xrite Brochure....

Support for new & emerging display technologies: CCFL, White LED, RGB LED, Wide Gamut, New Future (field Upgradable)

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Tom, does it put much if any physical pressure on the screen when using the counterweight in contact mode? I'm wondering if it will be OK with sensitive LCD screens.


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I read these information about i1Display PRO @ Xrite Brochure....

Support for new & emerging display technologies: CCFL, White LED, RGB LED, Wide Gamut, New Future (field Upgradable)

Sounds like I have a ColorMunki Photo to sell and a new toy to pick up.

It looks like their X-Rite product names are i1Display Pro and ColorMunki Display.
I wonder if there is any physical difference (between the Pro and non-Pro) except the case color. I don't wish to use their bundle software anyway.

According to this PDF, they use different software (no problem) but another difference that the faster measurement mode is only available with the Pro. But it still could be a limit on the software side (may be driver level) and I think I wouldn't use it anyway. (It's not a bad idea to give some time for the temporal dithering.)

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Whats the thought on selling an I1 pro, and using this model for 100% of the time?
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Tom, Will it still be advisable to do the 'color correction' step in ChromaPure, using an I1Pro to correct the Display3?
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Does it have a temperature sensor?

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Tom, Will it still be advisable to do the 'color correction' step in ChromaPure, using an I1Pro to correct the Display3?

Couldn't hurt.

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Does it have a temperature sensor?

A non contact device has no need for this.

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I like the non contact design, and already have a tripod. I'd also prefer a meter that did not require profiling. I know you say "couldnt hurt", but do you feel it's everything the C5 is and better, and could actually allow a stand alone device for the $1200 and down group?
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A non contact device has no need for this.

Yah, sure. I use even my colormunki in non-contact setup. But it requires a pitch black room.

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I saw that Tom has removed Chroma 5 Standard & PRO from ChromaPure Software Configuration Options and from Online Orders Page Also.

Maybe a benchmark of Klein K-10 vs. Chroma 5 & i1Display 3 will give a lot of answers to all for low light handling accurancy.

By-The-Way Does i1Display 3 include any certificate of performance like i1PRO?

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Are dark reading required?

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Are dark reading required?

http://www.chromapure.com/products-d3.asp

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Tom, I don't understand the 'pricing': what I see is the Display3 bundled with CP software. Is this also the price if one already has the CP software (the Pro version)?
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Tom, I don't understand the 'pricing': what I see is the Display3 bundled with CP software. Is this also the price if one already has the CP software (the Pro version)?

$269 + $10 according to an email I received from Tom.

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$269 + $10 according to an email I received from Tom.

Nice. I'm thinking of selling the I1 and using this exclusively, in the Pro version.
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Nice. I'm thinking of selling the I1 and using this exclusively, in the Pro version.

In my case it makes more sense to sell my C5, not the i1Pro. The D3 is no more accurate than the C5 so will still need to be profiled.

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Thats what Im curious about. Is 0.006 splitting hairs, or substantial.
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In my case it makes more sense to sell my C5, not the i1Pro. The D3 is no more accurate than the C5 so will still need to be profiled.

Is it a fact (did anybody compare the readings on a WCG display yet?) or only an assumption (based on the fact that it's a 3-stimulus colorimeter)?

I am wondering if the X-Rite software applies some kind of generic corrections for the given WCG-CCFL/LED/etc displays based on the EDID information? (Something like the Quato iColor software does?) Or it is really capable of working on WCG displays?


My i1LT was useless on my WCG-CCFL LCD display (Dell U2410 , > AdobeRGB or the integer encoded CIE Lab) but one of my friends had a freshly re-calibrated i1d2 (they just sent it back from Switzerland, it was about 2010.05.xx) which is actually worked on that display. It looked right and I could check it back some weeks later with my freshly bought ColorMunki. The WP showed an acceptable and usual deviance only (not bigger than a drift which could happen after I moved the display to a different location with different room temperature and some weeks passed...) So, I think these colorimeters could work relatively well on any display.
It could be a coincidence but I am optimistic about these new colorimeters. May be they will be accurate inside the integer encoded part of CIE Lab if not further.

But yah, may be everybody should wait with the "big online auction of the spectros" until it's tested on various displays.

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