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I'm trying to figure out why it always seems to be one step behind when running a sweep.
I believe this bug was introduced in v3.4.2. Maybe the revision history will shed some light.
[EDIT] Come to think of it, the floating window itself might have been introduced in v3.4.2. I actually don't see the advantage in using it.

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The coolest, you really are good. I can confirm that the red saturation (any saturation) bug is indeed fixed for me (windows 7 home). I pulled my gear out today and began playing with it all again after a long hiatus.

I did find a bug/error spit out. When I opened 2 calibrations to compare results in their 2 windows and put both of the windows into gamma charts. After this I closed one window and received this error (no big deal just FYI in case you care) looked like a destructor issue:

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It loses connections with my chromecast very fast and I can't get it back without exiting and restarting HFCR again too.

Edit: This only happened a few times then it behaved for 4 hours straight which is significantly better than the previous version I had. Great job.

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Any issues with HCFR and the Windows 10 Creators release?
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Do you mean you had two HCFR instances running or two measurements open?
Were you able to reproduce the crash more than once? I tried your steps and (single instance) and it closed without a crash.

Thanks, but I simply integrated the latest ccast library into HCFR, and haven't really done anything to improve upon that specific part of the code.
It does seem that chromecast support is a little finicky. All I did was add the option to select the cast device.
What error (if any) did you get when it lost connection with your chromecast?

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Out of curiosity, what is the "gloom" option (in the appearance tab)
So far it seems to be an option to make me depressed every time I toggle it and look for changes.


And on the subject of appearance options, how about an option for custom user defined background colors for the charts? I'd like to have something dark but not black (so I can see the lines), and white makes it too hard to see white targets (ex: gamma targets).


Does anyone else have issues with the window refresh draw calls getting screwy and getting placed BEHIND the window background? Just resizing the window (by arrows or minimize/maximize buttons) fixes it until it happens again.
Firefox had a similar issue with Windows 10. This happened when using both "automatic accent colors" and wallpaper "slideshow". The stacking order was inverted when accent color or wallpaper changed, basically changing your current active window to a background window (annoying as hell when typing!)
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Do you mean you had two HCFR instances running or two measurements open?
Were you able to reproduce the crash more than once? I tried your steps and (single instance) and it closed without a crash.

Thanks, but I simply integrated the latest ccast library into HCFR, and haven't really done anything to improve upon that specific part of the code.
It does seem that chromecast support is a little finicky. All I did was add the option to select the cast device.
What error (if any) did you get when it lost connection with your chromecast?
Just the one instance. I hesitated to even bring it up since its no big deal, but then thought you could possibly want the error report.
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Thanks. If this is a one time thing I wouldn't worry. I don't think I ever had this issue and I compared multiple files many times.
If you happen to find a way to reproduce it consistently, that would help hunt down the bug.

Re: Test color window. I can make it stick and prevent HCFR from hiding it when you use a different generator. I also found the reason for the patterns on the floating window being displayed too late during a sweep, I'm just not sure whether I can fix it without introducing a regression or new bugs. I'll look into it a bit more later this week.

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I Can't Find a Good HCFR Tutorial

I recently installed HCFR and downloaded AVS 709. I'm not sure if I need the 709 patterns, since I'm connecting my PC to the Sony 930D with and HDMI cable.

It's not for a lack of effort, but I haven't found a single YouTube video or online instructions about how to use HCFR. I have my xRite I1 connected and can see how the HCFR menus and measurement work, but without instructions I can't figure out how to adjust the TV after running the measurement. I've read the Calman page, a few hundred posts on this thread, scoured YouTube, etc and haven't found anything that's really useful.

Also, I've tried to get into the Sony service menu (Display + 5 + vol up + On -- while the TV is off), but it didn't work for me. If anyone has suggestions, please let me know.
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It's not for a lack of effort, but I haven't found a single YouTube video or online instructions about how to use HCFR. I have my xRite I1 connected and can see how the HCFR menus and measurement work, but without instructions I can't figure out how to adjust the TV after running the measurement. I've read the Calman page, a few hundred posts on this thread, scoured YouTube, etc and haven't found anything that's really useful.
The most commonly used guide is the one from Curt Palme (link listed in Post 1 of this thread), even though it's somewhat dated.
There's also Harlekin's Guide.

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HCFR not graphing colour measurements

Using the latest version of HCFR but I can't get it to plot primary and secondary measurements on the CIE or colour levels graphs.

Greyscale, gamma, luminance etc all work fine.

I'm sure I just have a setting wrong somewhere but can't find it.

Any help would be appreciated

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Using the latest version of HCFR but I can't get it to plot primary and secondary measurements on the CIE or colour levels graphs.

Greyscale, gamma, luminance etc all work fine.

I'm sure I just have a setting wrong somewhere but can't find it.

Any help would be appreciated
Can you post the hcfr data file (.chc)?

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Can you post the hcfr data file (.chc)?
yep see attached chc file
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yep see attached chc file
I was able to see the CIE chart, although the luminance levels are all wrong, mostly because the white was measured in correctly (only 12.4 nits in the RGB chart, vs 98 nits in the grey scale chart).
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I was able to see the CIE chart, although the luminance levels are all wrong, mostly because the white was measured in correctly (only 12.4 nits in the RGB chart, vs 98 nits in the grey scale chart).
Thanks for that. 98 nits is the correct luminance.
How would the RGB chart be reading the wrong luminescence
Is that something I'm doing?
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Thanks for that. 98 nits is the correct luminance.
How would the RGB chart be reading the wrong luminescence
Is that something I'm doing?
By default, HCFR re-measures the white during the primary/secondary colour sweeps. Since you were using manual patterns, you probably measured that one incorrectly.

You can see that the dE values would be much lower if the white measured 98; e.g., green dE drops from 47.1 to 2.3
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I have a minor problem i the text numbers in the left side of hcfr where the 3 rgb color bars relies in the 3 percentages.
The text is huge for no reason and unreadable.
Its a brand new pc in work with 3 monitors and windows 10 with a nvidia 660. The problem exist no matter the monitor i move hcfr and all scaling in settings in the 3 monitors is 100%.
Its not biggie but sure it's strange. All the rest texts in hcfr are completely fine.

Anyone else experience that? Maybe i miss some font?

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Try going to Preferences and ticking 'Disable High DPI scaling'.

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Calibrating a Sony 930D - How to correct the color readings.

I calibrated the Grey Scale on a Sony 930D, using the Gain, Bias and 10pt white balance settings in the user menu, with HCFR and an X-rite i1. The improvement is substantial and the picture is quite good, but measuring the primary and secondary colors shows substantial deltas (testing with my blue filter on the 709 pattern shows some issues too).

I was under the impression I could just go in and adjust the colors independently, but the 930D does not have a CMS, just Color and Tint controls. I wasn't able to substantially improve the color readings with these two controls? I don't know if I took the wrong approach with setting the grey scale or what. Any advice on how to approach this with a display that has a locked CMS would be appreciated (the only thing I can think of is to keep working with Color and Tint).
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If I ran into that situation I would probably determine that fleshtone accuracy is more important to me than 100% stimulus primary/secondary accuracy.


So my approach would be to run the flesh tone checkers and use the global tint and color to get those aligned, then go back and check primary/secondary saturation sweeps and determine if I haven't thrown those too far out of whack (and possibly compromise a bit there if necessary).
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I calibrated the Grey Scale on a Sony 930D, using the Gain, Bias and 10pt white balance settings in the user menu, with HCFR and an X-rite i1. The improvement is substantial and the picture is quite good, but measuring the primary and secondary colors shows substantial deltas (testing with my blue filter on the 709 pattern shows some issues too).

I was under the impression I could just go in and adjust the colors independently, but the 930D does not have a CMS, just Color and Tint controls. I wasn't able to substantially improve the color readings with these two controls? I don't know if I took the wrong approach with setting the grey scale or what. Any advice on how to approach this with a display that has a locked CMS would be appreciated (the only thing I can think of is to keep working with Color and Tint).
According to a reply that just came in on my post about the Sony service menu, there is no option with this set, other than the global color setting.

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According to a reply that just came in on my post about the Sony service menu, there is no option with this set, other than the global color setting.

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Hi, when you have only Color/Tint for adjustments, use 4-Point Saturation and ColorChecker Skintones Patterns, measure different Color values (-2,-1,0,+1,+2) and Tint values, compare the reports you will get per setting and choose the value which provides you less average dE.

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Hi, when you have only Color/Tint for adjustments, use 4-Point Saturation and ColorChecker Skintones Patterns, measure different Color values (-2,-1,0,+1,+2) and Tint values, compare the reports you will get per setting and choose the value which provides you less average dE.
I don't quite follow this instruction. I see the Color Checker, with the 96 colors; 8D-8L kind of look like the colors that are skintones (most of those have deltas of low 20's and a few 40's. I also see saturation scales for each of the six primary and secondary colors. I can't tell if this is the saturation indicated, what I'm supposed to do with it or specifically how to use the color checker
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I don't quite follow this instruction. I see the Color Checker, with the 96 colors; 8D-8L kind of look like the colors that are skintones (most of those have deltas of low 20's and a few 40's. I also see saturation scales for each of the six primary and secondary colors. I can't tell if this is the saturation indicated, what I'm supposed to do with it or specifically how to use the color checker
Measure with Color 0 the 4-Point Saturation of Primary/Secondary colors and measure also with ColorChecker SG (which is including a lot of Skintones also) and generate a PDF report.

Re-measure with different Color settings (-1,-2,+1,+2) and generate PDF reports for each measurement run.

Open all reports and see what Color setting gives you better overall performance.

After that move to Tint setting measurments with the same way, compare the reports and find which Tint value gives better performance etc.

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I know that Dolby Vision is a proprietary spec, but I was wondering if anyone knows how to parse the DVGR files?
I could make some educated guesses about the text parts of the files, but can't really work anything out from the binary part.
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Hello, are there EFI ES2000(X-RITE I1 PRO2) , using the program HCFR and argyll driver.
Decided to calibrate kitchen TV LG 24MT58PZ with ips display and after calibration was disappointed, the gray balance has turned strongly shifted to the red, and there was a feeling that not enough blue. Hence concluded that EFI ES2000 incorrectly sees color ips matrix, or led illumination. How can it fix errors of RGB colors by parameters of the program HCFR, you can do RGB color display right?
Tried to change the parameter (Observer Type), the most noticeable change makes the parameter (CIE 1964 10deg), it greatly reduces red and adds blue, grayscale has become more correct, but was a little green. What parameters to set in HCFR, HCFR would work correctly and the colors are displayed correctly?
Also, there are problems with the calibration of the ice projector LG PF1500, grayscale has a green patina (offset) and few, severely lacking in blue. Plasma TV is calibrated well. Please help me what to do , what to configure which parameter to change in HCFR? If such a problem was discussed, then write the page number or link?
Здравствуйте, имею есть EFI ES2000(X-RITE I1 PRO2) , использую данную программу HCFR и драйвер argyll.
Решил откалибровать кухонный тв LG 24MT58PZ с дисплеем ips и после калибровки был разочарован, баланс серого получился сильно смещён в красный, а так же было ощущение, что не хватает синего. Отсюда сделал вывод, что EFI ES2000 неправильно видит цвета ips матрицы или светодиодной подсветки. Можно как то исправить ошибки цветов RGB параметрами программы HCFR, что можно сделать, что бы цвета RGB отображались правильно?
Пробовал менять параметр (Observer Type), самые заметные изменения делает параметр (CIE 1964 10deg), он уменьшает сильно красный и добавляет синий, шкала серого стала более правильнее, но стала немного зелёный. Какие параметры настроить в HCFR, что бы HCFR работал правильно и цвета отображались правильно?
Так же есть проблемы с калибровкой лед проектора LG PF1500, шкала серого имеет зелёный налёт (смещение) и мало, сильно не хватает синего. Плазменый тв калибруется хорошо. Прошу помощи , что мне делать, что настроить, какой параметр изменить в HCFR?

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Measure with Color 0 the 4-Point Saturation of Primary/Secondary colors and measure also with ColorChecker SG (which is including a lot of Skintones also) and generate a PDF report.

Re-measure with different Color settings (-1,-2,+1,+2) and generate PDF reports for each measurement run.

Open all reports and see what Color setting gives you better overall performance.

After that move to Tint setting measurments with the same way, compare the reports and find which Tint value gives better performance etc.
Thanks very much for all your time and help with resolving issues Ted.

I think I understand the process.
* Run each of the 6 color Saturation Scale menu items , record the Delta E value at the bottom left for 0, for each
* Run the Color Checker, (which was set to Calman SG in the settings) and record the values for the skin tones (I don't see a way to just run the skin tones, rather than all the colors)
** Adding the quick menu with these 7 icons makes it much quicker to run and inputting the values in a spreadsheet with an automatic average calc also helps.

-- What's not clear is whether the Color scale results are meant only for the Color control and the skin tone readings for the Tint control or both are used for each. Also, when I run those color scale items, the results for 0 (and 20-100) stay the same, even if I turn the set color all the way up or all the way down.
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* Run each of the 6 color Saturation Scale menu items , record the Delta E value at the bottom left for 0, for each
If you run Saturation->All colors, it will run all 6 colours plus ColorChecker in one go.
I'm not sure what you mean by "Delta E value a the bottom left for 0". You can generate a report which summarizes the measurement results.

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What's not clear is whether the Color scale results are meant only for the Color control and the skin tone readings for the Tint control or both are used for each.
The Color and Tint controls both affect all colours.

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Also, when I run those color scale items, the results for 0 (and 20-100) stay the same, even if I turn the set color all the way up or all the way down.
0 saturation corresponds to grey and is unaffected by the Color and Tint controls.

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Thanks very much for all your time and help with resolving issues Ted.

I think I understand the process.
* Run each of the 6 color Saturation Scale menu items , record the Delta E value at the bottom left for 0, for each
* Run the Color Checker, (which was set to Calman SG in the settings) and record the values for the skin tones (I don't see a way to just run the skin tones, rather than all the colors)
** Adding the quick menu with these 7 icons makes it much quicker to run and inputting the values in a spreadsheet with an automatic average calc also helps.

-- What's not clear is whether the Color scale results are meant only for the Color control and the skin tone readings for the Tint control or both are used for each. Also, when I run those color scale items, the results for 0 (and 20-100) stay the same, even if I turn the set color all the way up or all the way down.
Hi, there no need to use excel to display to you the average per measurement run, just start measure Grayscale and then (as Dominic posts) use Measures -> Saturations -> All Colors....doing this it will measure 4-Point Saturation + ColorChecker Classic. (If you have more time use later ColorChecker SG also which is including more Skintones or only the ColorChecker SG Skintones.

Do these measurements with Color 0, Tint 0 and go to Advanced -> Export -> Create PDF Report....save as C0T0 for example.

Then start checking with Color 1 Tint 0, Color -1 Tint 0, Color 2 Tint 0 etc.... or see ift larger Color adjustments to (+ or -) improves further, after finding out which Color settings performs better; then do the same measurements with Tint adjustment and compare the PDF reports etc.

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Hi, there no need to use excel to display to you the average per measurement run, just start measure Grayscale and then (as Dominic posts) use Measures -> Saturations -> All Colors....doing this it will measure 4-Point Saturation + ColorChecker Classic. (If you have more time use later ColorChecker SG also which is including more Skintones or only the ColorChecker SG Skintones.

Do these measurements with Color 0, Tint 0 and go to Advanced -> Export -> Create PDF Report....save as C0T0 for example.

Then start checking with Color 1 Tint 0, Color -1 Tint 0, Color 2 Tint 0 etc.... or see ift larger Color adjustments to (+ or -) improves further, after finding out which Color settings performs better; then do the same measurements with Tint adjustment and compare the PDF reports etc.

Thank you guys. Here are the results I ended up with. Higher color improved the primaries and secondaries, but raised the skin tones and color checker values. Tint had varying results between -1 to 1, so I left it at 0.

I would buy a color decoder with the set, but I hope to move up to the LG OLED by the end of the year. I'd be interested to see how much the picture could be improved with a CMS, but it's satisfying now.

I did try using my old DVE color filters with the AVS flashing bars file, but I had to turn the color way down and it clearly wasn't right. Not sure if it was due to the imbalance between the colors or the blue filter material wasn't accurate.
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