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I have them set in RGB because that's how my Samsung color management is set up for making adjustments. I think I have things dialed in a bit closer now. When you have a chance, take a look at my latest run. Really appreciate it!!
Ah okay.I think that matters more for the RGB bars on the left side bar when looking at colors, not necessarily the measures.
My TV has Hue, Saturation and Value (luminance) CMS controls, so I checked the "Use HSV Levels" option, so that whenever I'm adjusting colors, the bars change from RGB to HSV.
For gray scale adjustments it's always RGB.


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Here is an example of calibration disk which is accurate for HCFR users with many measurement options for verification: ***Official B/C/E/G6P OLED Calibration Thread
I can't work out how the free version can calibrate HCFR, essentially I can't find an 11 point gray-scale to check white levels and I can't get HCFR to check against the CALMan patterns, although need 11 levels to do my individual IREs anyway.
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I can't work out how the free version can calibrate HCFR, essentially I can't find an 11 point gray-scale to check white levels and I can't get HCFR to check against the CALMan patterns, although need 11 levels to do my individual IREs anyway.
Hi, the free version contains some quick verification patterns of Contrast/Brightness/Levels Check and for measurements the ColorChecker Classic chapter, to quick verification the performance or a calibrated or uncalibrated display. Free Versions of LightSpace DPS, CalMAN ColorChecker or HCFR can work with the free version.

For more measurement runs/complete verification patterns are available to the full version which will require the Licenced Versions of LightSpace / CalMAN / ChromaPure software or HCFR.

Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk Free Version for Free Calibration Software: LightSpace DPS / CalMAN ColorChecker / HCFR
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I can't work out how the free version can calibrate HCFR, essentially I can't find an 11 point gray-scale to check white levels and I can't get HCFR to check against the CALMan patterns, although need 11 levels to do my individual IREs anyway.
Hi, the free version contains some quick verification patterns of Contrast/Brightness/Levels Check and for measurements the ColorChecker Classic chapter, to quick verification the performance or a calibrated or uncalibrated display. Free Versions of LightSpace DPS, CalMAN ColorChecker or HCFR can work with the free version.

For more measurement runs/complete verification patterns are available to the full version which will require the Licenced Versions of LightSpace / CalMAN / ChromaPure software or HCFR.
Thanks - so realistically I should probably use AVS 709 to calibrate then your disc to verify afterwards. Will give that a go.
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... to increase RGB for 10% - 70% would put them over 100% and reducing RGB for 80% and 90% would put them under 100%. I guess I'm not sure how I can adjust for a smooth grayscale that tracks accurately and adjust gamma. Wouldn't my grayscale suffer if I do what you mentioned?

I tried the CIE2000 setting with Absolute Y w/gamma. My grayscale and colors don't even measure when I run the measurements. I get all zeroes.
There are different ways to adjust the gamma, e.g.,
- adjust luminance to match Y to Target Y
- adjust luminance to minimize dE with the grey scale dE handling set to "Absolute Y w/Gamma".
I personally like to set up HCFR to display the "live" gamma curve as I adjust:

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There are different ways to adjust the gamma, e.g.,
- adjust luminance to match Y to Target Y
- adjust luminance to minimize dE with the grey scale dE handling set to "Absolute Y w/Gamma".
I personally like to set up HCFR to display the "live" gamma curve as I adjust:
Thanks Dominic, did you see my last run results I posted? What do you think?
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Just wondering what target you guys calibrate to for gaming. Default game mode on my projector is very cool and more like 7500k. Just curious if you just calibrate toward BT709, 6500K, 2.2 gamma, etc. ? I dont think there is a standard, if there is that would be great hehe.
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Thanks Dominic, did you see my last run results I posted? What do you think?
The gamma curve is now much flatter. Are you using 2.24 as target?

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The gamma curve is now much flatter. Are you using 2.24 as target?
I selected 2.3 so I'm a bit under. Gamma is tracking pretty good along with luminance too. Grayscale and Colors look good to me so I'm pretty pleased. In looking at my results, do you see anything that sticks out that should be fixed? Thanks
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Thanks for everybody's help and advice.
I think I'm pretty close, happy enough with my white balance and Gamma now. The point of doing 30/100 IRE then 10 point worked well.
Green and secondaries are all dialed in great.
Blue is as close as I'm going to get with the adjustments on my TV and had that confirmed with other people.
Red is an odd one, 100% red (AVS HD disc) I can get spot on to around 0.2 dE, 75% red the closest I can get is around 1.2 and this puts 100% red right out. I've got for close with both, but any suggestions are appreciated.
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Red is an odd one, 100% red (AVS HD disc) I can get spot on to around 0.2 dE, 75% red the closest I can get is around 1.2 and this puts 100% red right out. I've got for close with both, but any suggestions are appreciated.
You can run the red saturation sweep, and optimize it based on the results.

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Red is an odd one, 100% red (AVS HD disc) I can get spot on to around 0.2 dE, 75% red the closest I can get is around 1.2 and this puts 100% red right out. I've got for close with both, but any suggestions are appreciated.
You can run the red saturation sweep, and optimize it based on the results.
Thanks - so run red saturation and then just use the CMS to get as close as I can across the board?
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