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post #1 of 149 Old 04-04-2012, 02:08 PM - Thread Starter
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Xrite will be releasing a new spectrophotometer to replace the I1 Pro spectrophotometer. The version D as most people know has been around for ages. Great device and has been extremely stable. Well time to step aside and welcome the replacement. I1 Pro 2 is the new name and the hardware is remodelled and is aluminum on the outside to make it more heat stable. Below is some of the information. If you are in the market I would wait for a bit. The attached comparison is in PDF format that I just copied.

If you want to get a copy of the PDF format then just drop me a line and I will send you the pdf file which has pics etc.

Just don't have the time to sort it out into forum format but all the items below are the highlighted areas of improvement.

States that it is faster and I do like the aluminum body. I also like the range improvments, and the ability or it to know when it is out of calibration. Could save a bit of cake there alone. IF you see two dots it means on the data sheet both the old and new had the ability.

Of particular importance to most here will be the fact that it will be compatible with software that was being used with the i1 Pro 1.



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Measurement Illumination Conditions
M0 (ISO 13655-2009) Tungsten (NoFilter)1
Single hand-held device accommodates multiple measurement conditions meeting current and emerging ISO standards for imaging workflows.
M1 (ISO 13655-2009) D50
M2 (ISO 13655-2009) UV excluded (UVcut)1
OBC X-Rite Optical Brightener Compensation Technology
Reflectance Measurement
Minimal patch size:
Scan measurement
Spot measurement
7 mm
4.5 mm
10 mm
4.5 mm
Smaller patch sizes when scanning2 allows for more patches per chart, use of smaller process control wedges and more data points per sheet, resulting in higher profile accuracy, faster measurements and savings on consumables.
Filterless dual scan measurement technology
This technology enables the ability to provide multiple measurement conditions through the combination of the device's two light sources (tungsten and UV LED).
Patch detection based on color differences between patches
Enables more robust scanning, even on critical substrates or low resolution prints, removing virtually all user errors, requiring less operator skills. This technology also enables the ability to measure M1 and M2 conditions, as well as Optical Brightener Compensation (OBC) measurements.
Positioning detection sensor
Full floating guide rail for optimized sample to
instrument distance
Maintaining an equal measurement distance from substrate to instrument nose provides more accurate measurements - especially on uneven substrates like corrugated board.
Aluminum ruler with improved solvent ink resistance
Provides increased ability to color control and color manage solvent ink printers.
Scanning measurement speed (Hz)
200
200 Rev B-D
100 Rev A
Higher scanning measurement speed allows for use of smaller patches and
more data points per patch, resulting in higher profile accuracy and faster
measurements.

Emissive Measurement
Measurement range on typical LCD display (cd/m²)
0.2 - 1200

Supports LCD displays with high luminance backlight technology.
Sensor with enhanced temperature drift compensation
Best possible performance in display and projector profiling - avoid drift due to temperature change of the device during longer display measurement cycles.
Adaptive integration time based on patch luminance3
Reduces noise to attain better accuracy for measurements on dark patches.
i1PRO SPECTROPHOTOMETERS
A new standard of color perfection.
The new i1Pro 2 has been enhanced and redesigned to provide the ultimate in accuracy, versatility, ergonomics, functionality and value.
Feature Comparison of new i1Pro 2 vs original i1Pro
¹ choice of fixed No Filter or UV Filter, but not interchangeable
2 smaller patches can only be used with the new aluminum ruler
3 supported by i1Profiler v1.3 or later and applications using latest SDK
i1Pro 2
i1Pro
Accuracy and Reliability
XRGA compatible for best inter-model-agreement3
XRGA (X-Rite Graphic Arts) is a device standard that removes discrepancies across different measurement technologies and creates efficiencies in color measurement and communication procedures.
Built-in wavelength calibration technology
(self-check and correction)
Instrument can automatically self diagnose and correct for small shifts as well as identify recalibration needs.
White calibration tile protection
Larger white tile area ensures measurement accuracy and makes cleaning very easy; protective cover minimizes dust and dirt interference.
Cleanable optics protection glass
Removable optics protection glass makes it easy for user to clean, minimizing dust and dirt interference.
Status LED displays instrument calibration / service status
Visual indicators indicate calibration and service status of the device.
Power-check for USB port
The power from the USB port is monitored to ensure that adequate power is delivered from computer USB port to your i1 device, so you can be confident your device is functioning properly.
Usability and Accessories
Extruded aluminum frame with mechanical interface
for accessories
Improved temperature stability - the aluminum frame works as heat sink providing best possible performance in display and projector profiling and adds stable
connection between instrument and accessories.
User Guidance with status LED
Visual indicators guides the user through the measurement process and indicates status of the device.
Compatibility mode to work with software developed
for original i1Pro
Confidently use your i1Pro 2 device in compatibility mode for M0 with any software that supports the original first generation i1Pro spectrophotometer, offering same functions you previously had access to.

i1PRO SPECTROPHOTOMETERS
Feature Comparison of new i1Pro 2 vs original i1Pro
© 2012, X-Rite, Incorporated. All rights reserved. PANTONE® and other Pantone, Inc. trademarks are the property of Pantone, Inc. Pantone is a wholly owned subsidiary of X-Rite, Incorporated. L7-518 (03/12)
For more information, please visit xrite.com or xritephoto.com
or contact your local X-Rite sales representative.
¹ choice of fixed No Filter or UV Filter, but not interchangeable
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Yes and CalMAN v4.6 already supports it.

In order to support all of the new features of the X-Rite i1Pro 2 you need to have updated software. The i1Pro 2 can be used in as a i1Pro with older software but you do not get any of the new features.

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We are under NDA as is everyone else about all of the details of the i1Pro 2. Once the moratorium has been released then we will publish all of the details.

It is really poor judgment for someone to break moratorium and tease everyone without having all the details or be able to talk about them.

The OP should have not said anything until it has released.

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How do you know the OP was under a NDA? He may have received the info and assumed it was for general consumption.

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I hope that i1 pro price will drop
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Can we start a petition or something to get X-Rite to stop confusing the world with their naming conventions?
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I agree that the naming conventions need some work. Pretty confusing.

Getting a little buzz of excitement isnt going to hurt anyone. But anyone that was just about to jump on a i1pro I for 1 might save some heartache.

I am sure the earth is not going to cave in.

I don't have a NDA and have this information for ages and from multiple sources.

Wonder how the compatibility will work with ChromaPure. I guess they don't talk about it because of their NDA agreement.

So how is the testing going Derek?? Is it faster??
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Wonder how the compatibility will work with ChromaPure. I guess they don't talk about it because of their NDA agreement.

My guess it will be fully compatible with ChromaPure, unless the CalMan people have paid to monopolize it.
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As it states it will automatically be compatible with any prior software so there is no monopoly... and of course ChromaPure will work with it.

Lets get on track with how much faster it is and how it performs in low light in real world testing.

The photography and printing industry is what is driving the xrite products. I don't think the video really puts as significant a dent in these hardware product lines.

We just go along for the ride. But maybe I am wrong. Would be interesting to see where the market share of use is relative to the i1display3 colorimeter and the i1pro.
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Wonder how the compatibility will work with ChromaPure. I guess they don't talk about it because of their NDA agreement.

Until the middle of the month, there's an embargo on official and detailed information. However, we have full support for it released very soon after its availability.

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So long as it performs in real world as specs suggest, no doubt it will..
is faster @ lower stimulus , offers lower light sensitivity greater than i1pro
& of course the new Price is right!! im in ..
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I think most DIYers are concerned about low light readings and repeatability. If it can come close to matching the D3 on the low end, then there will be less of a need to have a second meter for profiling.

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I think most DIYers are concerned about low light readings and repeatability. If it can come close to matching the D3 on the low end, then there will be less of a need to have a second meter for profiling.

This design will never be as good as the D3 on the low end. Not possible. The hope is just that it will be significantly better than the current i1Pro.

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The d3 is such a great piece for the money. For a long term investment I look at the combo to be truly revolutionary for the end user. Having competition with more than one player in the software is a good thing too. I look at the entry price I had just a few years ago and the equipment that was there at the time with the staggering markup due to the limited number of market size and we have come so far.

Tom I want to ask you for real live testing results but I guess I can wait it out.

Price.. This product is replacing the existing model. Ever notice that replacements never divorce the relevant range of the existing market.

What I like about the i1 pro2 so far is the aluminum body. This was done for accuracy purposes and to dissipate heat which could affect readings. Aluminum is obviously more expensive then plastic. I would be willing to pay more for an aluminum body.

The speed is stated to have been improved.

There is some intelligence built in to indicate a calibration is required. This alone is a feature that is going to be a time saver and a confidence builder along with saving some potential dollars. As a long term investment this alone is worth paying more.

These features speak volumes to me that the guys engineering the product are looking at the end user as a priority.
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I hope that we will not have the same licensing problems and support for X-Rite Software or CalMAN or ChromaPure, similar with the problems we had with confusing iD3 versions and software support (Retail-OEM etc.)

The Retail version must be compatible with X-Rite+Calman+Chromapure calibration software, like the i1PRO retail.

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Built-in wavelength calibration technology
(self-check and correction)
Instrument can automatically self diagnose and correct for small shifts as well as identify recalibration needs.


I think this feature will be available for it's own iProfiler Software only. Let's see if X-Rite will give this feature to CalMAN + ChromaPure Software.

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Just bought a i1pro, now I want to upgrade
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Is it safe to buy a iDisplay pro (Eodis3) or is a new version of that coming out soon?
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Is it safe to buy a iDisplay pro (Eodis3) or is a new version of that coming out soon?

That meter is about 9 months old, the i1 Pro was closer to 6 years.

Should be safe.

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On a side note, the i1 pro is still an excellent meter. It served and often exceeded expectations for an inexpensive meter...a testament to its six plus years of service. i suspect as the pros upgrade to the new meter, there will be several i1 pro's coming available in the coming weeks and months. Might be a good time for those DIY'ers who couldn't afford an i1 before to now do so. I also have a feeling the new meter will be a higher cost than version 1.

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One british shop has it already listed. There it costs the same as the old version.
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Just bought a i1pro, now I want to upgrade

Yeah me too sort of, I bought a used i1 pro rev D for the price of colorimeter.

I'll be ready to upgrade when this new one gets under $300 used.

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I don't think it is necessary to upgrade unless you are doing also a lot of paper profiling.

There it makes really a big difference (smaller patch size and that the new device includes both lamps normal/uv-cut)
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I assume this version will still require the frequent dark readings.

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i1Pro Hardware Specifications

SPECTRAL ENGINE

i1® technology with built-in wavelengths check

Spectral analyzer: Holographic diffraction grating with 128-pixel diode array
Spectral Range: 380 - 730 nm

Physical sampling interval: 3.5 nm
Optical resolution: 10 nm
Spectral reporting: 380 ... 730 nm in 10 nm steps

Measurement Frequency in scanning mode: 200 measurements per second

OPTICS
Measurement geometry: 45°/0° ring illumination optics, ISO 13655:2009
Measurement aperture: 4.5 mm (0.18”) diameter (effective measurement aperture during scanning is depending on the patch size and measurement speed)
Illumination Spot Size: 3.5 mm (0.14”)

Light source: Gas filled tungsten (illuminant type A) and UV LED


REFLECTANCE MEASUREMENT
Data Format: Spectral Reflectance [dimensionless]
Measurement Conditions:
•UV included - ISO 13655:2009 measurement condition M0
•D50 - ISO 13655:2009 measurement condition M1
•UV excluded Filter - ISO 13655:2009 measurement condition M2

OBC: Optical Brightener Compensation (OBC) with i1Profiler software

Calibration: Manual on external ceramic white reference

Measurement Background: white, ISO 13655:2009; for measurements on backup board

Minimal Media Thickness: 3 mm (0.12”) on backup board

Minimal Patch Size in Scanning Mode: 7 x 10 mm (0.28” x 0.39”) (Width x Height) with sensor ruler 10 x 10 mm (0.39” x 0.39”) (Width x Height) without sensor ruler

Inter-instrument agreement: 0.4 ∆E94* average, 1.0 ∆E94* max. (deviation from X-Rite manufacturing standard at a temperature of 23ºC (73.4ºF) on 12 BCRA tiles (D50, 2º))
Short-term repeatability: 0.1 ∆E94* on white (D50,2°, mean of 10 measurements every 3 seconds on white)


EMISSIVE MEASUREMENT
Data format: Spectral radiance (mW/nm/m2 /sr); Luminance Y (cd/m2)
Measurement range: 0.2 - 1200 cd/m2 on a typical LCD-Monitor
Short-term repeatability: x,y: +/- 0.002 typical (5000°K, 80 cd/m2)


AMBIENT LIGHT MEASUREMENT

Data Format: spectral irradiance [mW/nm/m2], illuminance [lux]

Type: Cosine-corrected diffuse light measurement head


INTERFACE, DIMENSIONS AND WEIGHT

Interface: USB 1.1

Power supply: Device powered by USB. No additional charger or battery required. USB 1.1 high power device.


Physical dimensions
•i1Pro device: Length 155 mm, width 66 mm, height 67 mm (6.1” x 2.6” x 2.6”)
•i1 Ruler: Length 337 mm , width 102 mm (13.3” x 4.0”)
•i1 Backup Board: 355 mm x 265 mm (14.0” x 10.4”) folded or 355 mm x 400 mm (14.0” x 15.7”) unfolded


Weight i1Pro device: 245 g (8.6 oz)

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4/11/2012 - X-Rite Announces New i1Pro 2 Professional Color Management Solutions for Photo, Pre-press, Publishing and Digital Printing Markets

4/11/2012 - X-Rite i1Pro 2 – A New Standard in Color Perfection

4/11/2012 - The new X-Rite i1 Pro 2 – Video introduction

The i1Pro 2 and revamped packages incorporating i1Profiler 1.3 are shipping now from X-Rite, and should be at retailers today or soon. Manufacturer's suggested retail prices (MSRP) in the U.S. are as follows:

i1Basic Pro 2: US$1199
i1Photo Pro 2: US$1549
i1Publish Pro 2: US$2098

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