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Hi,

I'm looking to buy a hardware calibratable‎ monitor, e.g. NEC Multisync PA301W or Eizo ColorEdge CG275W. Will be doing mainly video (REC 709) and photo editing as well as graphic design.

I looked at different models and some reviews but I would prefer real-life experience from experts and users here. Some say the NEC Multisync competes with the Eizo's, at about half the price.... would you agree ? Is Lacie comparable to NEC or Eizo ?

Another question regarding the NEC Multisync series: Can I use my i1 Display Pro instead of the outdated Spectraview II to perform the calibration ?


Thanks for all your input and recommendations !

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You can't compare these two.

You would have to compare the Nec Spectraview series with the Eizo ColorEdge series.

But even there (on the paper) the Eizo beats the Spectraview with it's 16bit Lut vs 14 bit Lut.

You can have endless discussions which one is better.

As both use an IPS (H-IPS and P-IPS) panel they are both not that great for video post production.

Both (Nec and Eizo) include in their current colormanagment bundle an OEM version of the EODIS3. But I don't know if their software also suport the retail version.

But if you go for e.g. Basiccolor 5 you can use your retail EODIS3.
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Eizo monitors have better factory calibration, and better internal processing. (16-bit vs 14-bit, as mentioned)
There really isn't much to discuss; NEC's monitors are the best choice if you can't afford an Eizo. Eizo's monitors are the best choice if you can't afford a "real" broadcast monitor.

I'm not sure why AV-Freak thinks they are unsuitable for video post production though. IPS is the best choice, as viewing angle is very important for this application.
As for software, Coloreyes Display Pro should be able to write to the NEC's internal LUTs for calibration. (most PC-based software will write to the video card 8–10-bit LUT, rather than the display's 14-bit LUT)
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Most monitors I have seen in post production are still "old" monitors as the IPS panels have very poor black levels.
I have been told that many prefer S-PVA panels because it has better black levels. But I am not in this kind of business.
So I can only say what I have been told.

For CG and photo editing we use Eizos CG series. A very neat feature of Eizos software (ColorNavigor) is the device emulation (e.g. designing something for the iPad, ...)
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Most monitors I have seen in post production are still "old" monitors as the IPS panels have very poor black levels.
I have been told that many prefer S-PVA panels because it has better black levels. But I am not in this kind of business.
So I can only say what I have been told.
For CG and photo editing we use Eizos CG series. A very neat feature of Eizos software (ColorNavigor) is the device emulation (e.g. designing something for the iPad, ...)
*VA monitors are completely unsuitable for this task. They're higher contrast, but have extremely limited viewing angles, to the point where even if you're looking straight at the display, the corners are going to be suffering from viewing angle-related degradation.

Not the best comparison (PVA vs S-IPS) but the first example I could find:
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As you can see, the viewing angle is considerably better on this S-IPS panel. (looks like this chart is from a number of years ago due to the peak contrast numbers though)

*VA panels also suffer from severe gamma/color shift problems at wider viewing angles, whereas IPS panels (mostly) just lose contrast. IPS panels tend to be far more uniform as well, even ignoring viewing angle. High-end monitors will have uniformity correction built in, but it's far better to start with a uniform panel than correct it in software.
Display uniformity is far more important in video production/image editing than contrast ratio. (though it also matters, of course)

S-PVA panel on the left, IPS panel on the right:
eizo-nec-center6wurs.jpg
Even looking straight on, the left edge of the S-PVA panel is showing viewing angle problems.

eizo-nec-rightikuts.jpg
As you move off to the side, the S-PVA image severely degrades. Source.


While you're probably not going to be watching too much moving content, *VA panels tend to have uneven response times, whereas IPS panels have relatively uniform response times across the whole color gamut.
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We provide consultancy to the post-production industry, and only use the monitors mentioned for GUI work - not for colour critical stuff.

Probably the monitor we use most for grading (at the lower end) is the Penta HD2line series.

But, we do have an interest here as Penta are integrating our colour management with their monitors - not that you have to use it.

Still a good monitor for price/capability in our opinion.

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@ all: thank you for your replies, very informative !

@ AV-Freak: absolutely, I was mistaken, I thought the Spectraview series is called Multisync in the US (and just looking at the brief specs they seem almost identical), since I can't find the Spectraview Reference series on NEC's US website, but I easily find them on their European sites. Also, when you wrote H-IPS I'm assuming you were referring to the Eizo ?

@Light Illusion: Penta HD2line are 8-bit, correct ?

I have a few follow up questions:

1) What is the main difference (downside or advantage) between the NEC Spectraview 301 and the NEC Multisync 301 ?

2) Are both the NEC Spectraview 301 and the Eizo CG275W true 10-bit displays or is one of them 8bit+2FRC ?

3) Where could I order a NEC Spectraview 301 (it's not on their website) in the Unites States ? I'm located in Los Angeles, CA.

4) I have basICColor 5 and the i1 Display Pro - any recommendation which one does a better (basICColor 5 or manufacturer's color management software) for either the Eizo or NEC ?


Thanks again.

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@Light Illusion: Penta HD2line are 8-bit, correct ?

No, panel is 10 bit, and the processing 16bit, from what I remember without looking the specs up again.

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You can't compare these two.
You would have to compare the Nec Spectraview series with the Eizo ColorEdge series.

Hi, can someone please clarify this statement... Initially I thought there was only the NEC Multisync series in the US with or w/o the calibration kit (about US$250.00 difference). Given this statement by AV-Freak, I was now under the impression that there is a separate Spectraview series but I was unable to find it in the US - I can find them in Europe on NEC's European websites.

So I just called NEC US sales department and they tell me there is only the Multisync series with (PA301W) or w/o the calibration kit (PA301W-BK-SV). When I told him about the advertised Spectraview series in Europe he decided to ask his work colleague and will get back to me...

I also found this article which refers to 2 different series: http://www.photographyblog.com/news/nec_spectraview_reference_301_nec_multisync_pa301w/


Can anybody shed some light on this ?


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alright, for everybody else who share the same confusion:


NEC got back to me, in the US the NEC Multisync series with the calibration kit (e.g. PA301W-BK-SV) is what is called the NEC Spectraview Reference series in Europe....

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