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These are for the new Dolby Vision calibration process for the 2017 LG OLEDs. We are still working on it but it will ship with the final release of CalMan 2017.
I have seen a Home Theater Geeks with Scott Wilkinson episode where Scott was talking about Dolby Vision calibration with CalMAN, saying that CalMAN will be able to generate a special file for Color Gamut calibration where you can load it to the TV's USB's to help the Dolby Vision's Display Mapping Engine that's embedded to it's display SoC to do the correct tone mapping.

When this feature will be released at final CalMAN 2017 and which TV models will support?

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I have seen to one interview with Scott Wilkinson where you were talking about Dolby Vision calibration with CalMAN, you were saying that CalMAN will be able to generate a special file for Color Gamut calibration where you can load it to the TV's USB's to help the Dolby Vision's Display Mapping Engine that's embedded to it's display SoC to do the correct tone mapping.

When this feature will be released at final CalMAN 2017 and which TV models will support?
It's there now but there are only resident files for two Vizio sets plus you can import files if you had them from the manufacturer.

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It's there now but there are only resident files for two Vizio sets plus you can import files if you had them from the manufacturer.
Hi John,

Read again what I wrote, I'm not talking about Golden Reference files provided by display manufacturers where you load to CalMAN (that feature is available already from 2015), I'm talking about files generated from CalMAN which you load to the display for DV tone mapping.
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Hi John,

Read again what I wrote, I'm not talking about Golden Reference files provided by display manufacturers where you load to CalMAN (that feature is available already from 2015), I'm talking about files generated from CalMAN which you load to the display for DV tone mapping.
That would be awesome and I have been asking for that for a year for the Vizio's. For it to work they need a special low level access to the TV which needs to be given by the manufacturer. LG will get huge kudos if they give that access to Spectrcal.

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That would be awesome and I have been asking for that for a year for the Vizio's. For it to work they need a special low level access to the TV which needs to be given by the manufacturer. LG will get huge kudos if they give that access to Spectrcal.

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Exactly what I asked for, it will be the only way to calibrate DV.

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Exactly what I asked for, it will be the only way to calibrate DV.
Well, if the DVGR is accurate and kept up to date properly it should work just fine. But no one is doing that.

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Well, if the DVGR is accurate and kept up to date properly it should work just fine. But no one is doing that.

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5.8.1.16 version cannot use with Murideo six-g firmware 2.42 that lastest version. Error messages old firmware. I uninstall and reinstall 5.8.1.8 version. 6G work fine.


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5.8.1.16 version cannot use with Murideo six-g firmware 2.42 that lastest version. Error messages old firmware. I uninstall and reinstall 5.8.1.8 version. 6G work fine.

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Make sure you have updated both the FPGA and FW during the update process.
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Make sure you have updated both the FPGA and FW during the update process.
I upgraded my Murideo 6G and it works fine. You just need to follow the Murideo instructions and it's a multi part update.

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I have seen a Home Theater Geeks with Scott Wilkinson episode where Scott was talking about Dolby Vision calibration with CalMAN, saying that CalMAN will be able to generate a special file for Color Gamut calibration where you can load it to the TV's USB's to help the Dolby Vision's Display Mapping Engine that's embedded to it's display SoC to do the correct tone mapping.

When this feature will be released at final CalMAN 2017 and which TV models will support?

The conversation starting from 43 minute: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpIJkTq2VA8
It will be in 2017 final release and supporting all 2017 LG OLED models.
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It will be in 2017 final release and supporting all 2017 LG OLED models.
What about the Vizio's?

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It will be in 2017 final release and supporting all 2017 LG OLED models.
What about Sony 2017 OLED?

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5.8.1.16 version cannot use with Murideo six-g firmware 2.42 that lastest version. Error messages old firmware. I uninstall and reinstall 5.8.1.8 version. 6G work fine.


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I just tested my Six-G fw 2.42 with 5.8.18 where it connects and runs the Six-G
Try reinstalling the Six-G firmware, make sure you do both stages. Note there is an error in the Murideo instructions, stage two, when you start the MCU button and the fly app starts, the com port disconnects. re-select the correct com port from the fly app menu then load the firmware.
The instructions misses the disconnection.

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5.8.1.16 version cannot use with Murideo six-g firmware 2.42 that lastest version. Error messages old firmware. I uninstall and reinstall 5.8.1.8 version. 6G work fine.


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I upgrade both FPGA and FW.

Today I re-update 6G agian. Now it work fine with 5.8.1.16 version.
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I guess the 2016 OLED owners won't get a file...

Has anyone at Calman actually been able to test a 2016 (I have an E6) and know what is right and what is wrong with regards to reference in the DV modes?

Mine is currently calibrated nicely in HDR standard, so the whole idea of using DV over that mode doesn't really seem to make sense for me.
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I guess the 2016 OLED owners won't get a file...

Has anyone at Calman actually been able to test a 2016 (I have an E6) and know what is right and what is wrong with regards to reference in the DV modes?

Mine is currently calibrated nicely in HDR standard, so the whole idea of using DV over that mode doesn't really seem to make sense for me.
Like most displays capable of displaying different standards, if yours supports DV, then it should use a different calibration table than HDR10. Meaning you can calibrate for both. DV will not load hdr10 calibration and vice versa.

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Like most displays capable of displaying different standards, if yours supports DV, then it should use a different calibration table than HDR10. Meaning you can calibrate for both. DV will not load hdr10 calibration and vice versa.

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I understand all of that, I think you missed my point. So far DV is a unicorn in the cal industry, I mean the P series got a GRF but it did not cal properly. The 2016 LG's have had DV in apps to try since last year, but the controls are locked and it doesn't appear us 2016 owners are getting a GRF. My point was, I have a display that is properly calibrated in HDR10 mode, and how does that compare to a stock DV mode.

So on a 2016 LG OLED, has anyone at Calman determined how the DV performs in the stock state? People love to run around forums and say the modes are locked because they are already perfect, but I just can't buy that unless someone can show me.
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I guess the 2016 OLED owners won't get a file...

Has anyone at Calman actually been able to test a 2016 (I have an E6) and know what is right and what is wrong with regards to reference in the DV modes?

Mine is currently calibrated nicely in HDR standard, so the whole idea of using DV over that mode doesn't really seem to make sense for me.
Even if you get now the DV golden reference file for the 2016 LG, the CMS is broken; so you can't calibrated using CMS controls without introducing issue to real content (beyond charts), for that reason I don't believe LG will ever release that for 2016 models, but it will trigger you to get 2017 OLED to able to do this when it will possible, this is how industry works.

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Even if you get now the DV golden reference file for the 2016 LG, the CMS is broken; so you can't calibrated using CMS controls without introducing issue to real content (beyond charts), for that reason I don't believe LG will ever release that for 2016 models, but it will trigger you to get 2017 OLED to able to do this when it will possible, this is how industry works.
So is there no other adjustment to be made or needed in DV mode other than the CMS? Nothing in the realms of white balance for example?
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So is there no other adjustment to be made or needed in DV mode other than the CMS? Nothing in the realms of white balance for example?
You can enter to service menu and calibrate the global grayscale RGB balance from there and this will affect all modes (SDR/HDR10/DV) but I haven't check it to tell you what exact you need to change and I don't suggest anyone to enter to service mode unless he know 100% what he is doing.

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You can enter to service menu and calibrate the global grayscale RGB balance from there and this will affect all modes (SDR/HDR10/DV) but I haven't check it to tell you what exact you need to change and I don't suggest anyone to enter to service mode unless he know 100% what he is doing.
Yeah, that sounds like mess. Ultimately I like the way the E6 looks cal'd in HDR standard, so I am not too worried about it. You just see a lot of crazy talk on these forums propping up DV, and a lot of misinformation. Some how it is gotten out there that DV is better, just because it is, and that is basically the debate. IMO, the scenario, as it has been with display calibration forever, determines what mode is "best" on a particular model.

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You can enter to service menu and calibrate the global grayscale RGB balance from there and this will affect all modes (SDR/HDR10/DV) but I haven't check it to tell you what exact you need to change and I don't suggest anyone to enter to service mode unless he know 100% what he is doing.
Hi Ted.

I did the RGB in my EF9500 service menu about a year ago, it works well for both SDR, HDR.

However I am not going to do that for now in my C7, because I have no ides how it will work for DV. Of-course I can always revert back to the factory setting's.

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Even if you get now the DV golden reference file for the 2016 LG, the CMS is broken; so you can't calibrated using CMS controls without introducing issue to real content (beyond charts), for that reason I don't believe LG will ever release that for 2016 models, but it will trigger you to get 2017 OLED to able to do this when it will possible, this is how industry works.

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Can the 2016 Models be calibratied with an EEcolorBox and a HD-Fury Integral?
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SDR REC.709 only is possible.

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So with the 2016 OLEDs what can be calibrated in terms of HDR (BT 2020, HD10). Using Calman for SDR should REC709 be used or BT2020 be used? I've been out of the loop for awhile and still trying wrap my head around HDR calibration and I've had a C6 for about 6 month. I want find out how to best calibrate it so that that my Oppo 205 can send a the HDR signal and the CG can process the signal the best that it can. That suck that you can't calibrate the CMS, it's the main reason for having an HDR set. Its like the early days again when CMS didn't work on the 1st gen LCD, Plasma and PJs.
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So with the 2016 OLEDs what can be calibrated in terms of HDR (BT 2020, HD10). Using Calman for SDR should REC709 be used or BT2020 be used? I've been out of the loop for awhile and still trying wrap my head around HDR calibration and I've had a C6 for about 6 month. I want find out how to best calibrate it so that that my Oppo 205 can send a the HDR signal and the CG can process the signal the best that it can. That suck that you can't calibrate the CMS, it's the main reason for having an HDR set. Its like the early days again when CMS didn't work on the 1st gen LCD, Plasma and PJs.
For UHD BD Movies you need to calibrate the RGB Balance (20-Point) in HDR10 mode. Use HDR10 Workflow of CalMAN. (REC.2020 with ST.2085 PQ)

In SDR we use Gamma curve as transfer function where you can set it to 2.2/2.4/BT1886 or whatever value you like....having in calculation the display Black/Peak White level to generate each digital level luminance levels, but in HDR the PQ Curve transfer function (ST.2084) which is an absolute curve it has specific luminance levels for each digital level (0-10000nits).

To trigger the TV to enter to it's HDR mode: 1) You can use Ryan's HDR patterns, 2) Use an HDR pattern generator like Murideo/Accupel 6000 or 3) If you have a known accurate pattern generator for SDR, you can add HD Fury Linker or Intergral which will add the metadata to the signal to trigger the TV to enter to HDR10 mode. (CMS not working)

Get ready to experience some issues with HDR RGB Balance due to un-alighment of adjusting controls points and also the artifacts will be introduced with wrong adjustment, looking only the dE charts is not enough, each adjusting point has specific +- adjusting range which will not introduce problems, always check with real content.

Contrast/Brightness/OLED Light settings in HDR are not working like we know in SDR, they should left untouched, because the display gamut/tone mapping is based to these default settings.

For Blu-Ray (SDR) REC.709 and gamma 2.4. If you have a 3D LUT Box and you have more options to calibrate another gamma options, make one for Gamma 2.2 for older movies, 2.35 for not so old ones additionally. (CMS can introduce problems)

For SDR a 3D LUT will help a lot because these panels are suffering a lot at mid-low end area, something classic measurements (at high luminance levels) are not revealing these issues, you can get an idea looking here: ***Official B/C/E/G6P OLED Calibration Thread

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For UHD BD Movies you need to calibrate the RGB Balance (20-Point) in HDR10 mode. Use HDR10 Workflow of CalMAN. (REC.2020 with ST.2085 PQ)

In SDR we use Gamma curve as transfer function where you can set it to 2.2/2.4/BT1886 or whatever value you like....having in calculation the display Black/Peak White level to generate each digital level luminance levels, but in HDR the PQ Curve transfer function (ST.2084) which is an absolute curve it has specific luminance levels for each digital level (0-10000nits).

To trigger the TV to enter to it's HDR mode: 1) You can use Ryan's HDR patterns, 2) Use an HDR pattern generator like Murideo/Accupel 6000 or 3) If you have a known accurate pattern generator for SDR, you can add HD Fury Linker or Intergral which will add the metadata to the signal to trigger the TV to enter to HDR10 mode. (CMS not working)

Get ready to experience some issues with HDR RGB Balance due to un-alighment of adjusting controls points and also the artifacts will be introduced with wrong adjustment, looking only the dE charts is not enough, each adjusting point has specific +- adjusting range which will not introduce problems, always check with real content.

Contrast/Brightness/OLED Light settings in HDR are not working like we know in SDR, they should left untouched, because the display gamut/tone mapping is based to these default settings.

For Blu-Ray (SDR) REC.709 and gamma 2.4. If you have a 3D LUT Box and you have more options to calibrate another gamma options, make one for Gamma 2.2 for older movies, 2.35 for not so old ones additionally. (CMS can introduce problems)

For SDR a 3D LUT will help a lot because these panels are suffering a lot at mid-low end area, something classic measurements (at high luminance levels) are not revealing these issues, you can get an idea looking here: ***Official B/C/E/G6P OLED Calibration Thread

Great will try this weekend.

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