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post #61 of 4050 Old 08-23-2012, 12:04 PM
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Any and All add-ons with CalMAN 4 will get you CalMAN 5 Enthusiast, yes I know it is hard to believe but very true.

Oh yes, I believe.

For example I have now DIY and CalPC, I get Enthusiast and can calibrate at least one PC; but if I have DiY and Autocal I get Enthusiast too but can´t calibrate any PC or is CalPc in any form part of the Enthusiast license?
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CalPC is until now an Add-on, so I think owner of DIY and CalPC will update to Enthusiast. But otherwise Derek called CalPC as an special product of Calman 5. So I think that owner of DIY and the Autocal Add-on couldn´t calibrate a PC with Enthusiast?

Most all the info being asked are in the two links posted above.
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CalPC is until now an Add-on, so I think owner of DIY and CalPC will update to Enthusiast. But otherwise Derek called CalPC as an special product of Calman 5. So I think that owner of DIY and the Autocal Add-on couldn´t calibrate a PC with Enthusiast?

CalMAN 5 Enthusiast includes a client license and access to the CalPC workflow. Yes we are going to also have a product CalPC just for calibrating PC/Mac/Linux like we did before but now based on the CalMAN 5 core.

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Any and All add-ons with CalMAN 4 will get you CalMAN 5 Enthusiast, yes I know it is hard to believe but very true.

Great! Thanks Derek.
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Thanks Derek, really a splendid update procedure!
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Do you guys have the Professional or the Home User version of Calman 4 DIY? I was told it cost 399 to upgrade my V4 DIY to V5, I don't get it.
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Do you guys have the Professional or the Home User version of Calman 4 DIY? I was told it cost 399 to upgrade my V4 DIY to V5, I don't get it.

By whom? That is the outright cost of CalMAN 5 Enthusiast. To upgrade from CalMAN 4 DIY to CalMAN 5 Control you just have to be current with your maintenance. Worst case is CalMAN 4 has only been out for just over 2 which means you can’t be more than a year plus some?

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By whom? That is the outright cost of CalMAN 5 Enthusiast. To upgrade from CalMAN 4 DIY to CalMAN 5 Control you just have to be current with your maintenance. Worst case is CalMAN 4 has only been out for just over 2 which means you can’t be more than a year plus some?

I bought my Calman 4 DIY License 10/31/11.
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Your still under the yearly maintenance period for free upgrade to V5 so your good..smile.gif
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That's great news!

I downloaded Calman from the SpectraCal website like two days ago, and I got version 4.64. Is there somewhere else I can download V5?

Thanks for letting me know! I never though I could upgrade to V5 for free!
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I downloaded Calman from the SpectraCal website like two days ago, and I got version 4.64. Is there somewhere else I can download V5?
The v5 Home versions are not available yet. CalMAN 5 for Business can be downloaded at the link below and run in evaluation mode.

http://commercial.spectracal.com/support/downloads
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Oh I get it now, so when they launch it we're just going to download from the website and use our Keys? Cool! My father's TV is going to get a second look at the calibration I just did! hehehe
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Oh I get it now, so when they launch it we're just going to download from the website and use our Keys? Cool! My father's TV is going to get a second look at the calibration I just did! hehehe

We'll you'll be getting a new CalMAN 5 key, but yes, basically like that.
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Can you already reveal the prices for the different calman 5 versions (basic, control, enthusiast)?
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Can you already reveal the prices for the different calman 5 versions (basic, control, enthusiast)?

Also, I am curious what the maintenance cost for control and enthusiast will be.

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Can you already reveal the prices for the different calman 5 versions (basic, control, enthusiast)?

Hi AV-Freak, here they are:

CalMAN 5 Basic $149
CalMAN 5 Control $299
CalMAN 5 Enthusiast $399

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How do i know , if my licence is expired ?
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How do i know , if my licence is expired ?

Derek posted this license info at the SpectraCal forum.
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The first 3 digits after the email address in the license key is a date code so: derek@spectracal.com@12100001-NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN..., says the license was generated on 121, Jan 2012. The format is YYM with month being 1-9 A-C. So if you have a date code of 118 to 128 you are good.
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How do i know , if my licence is expired ?

BTW, purchased CalMAN licenses never expire, they are yours forever. I know the question you were asking "When does my free annual maintenance period expire" but just wanted to make sure everyone else knows.

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The v5 Home versions are not available yet. CalMAN 5 for Business can be downloaded at the link below and run in evaluation mode.
http://commercial.spectracal.com/support/downloads

A little scary!

Thank you for your interest in CalMAN 5 display calibration software for business use. Click here to download the application after you have ordered CalMAN 5 Expert, Professional, or Ultimate, from one of our product representatives.

Stopped at this screen previously when it said I now had to buy something! Maybe this screen should be worded differently?
Continued this time and the program downloaded without having to actually buy anything. (or contact anyone)

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Hi AV-Freak, here they are:
CalMAN 5 Basic $149
CalMAN 5 Control $299
CalMAN 5 Enthusiast $399

what is the difference in cost between the maintenance fee for the control and enthusiast versions of v5? I know the latter is $100

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Thank you for your interest in CalMAN 5 display calibration software for business use. Click here to download the application after you have ordered CalMAN 5 Expert, Professional, or Ultimate, from one of our product representatives.
Stopped at this screen previously when it said I now had to buy something! Maybe this screen should be worded differently?
Continued this time and the program downloaded without having to actually buy anything. (or contact anyone)

Probably could tweak the wording.

I'd guess they settled on that wording so that people realize there won't be much functionality till after they get a key. Also most people interested in purchasing software packages in those pricing level don't mind being contacted by a knowledgeable sales person to go through the details of the purchase.
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Does CalMan 5 support the target spec for UHDTV just for fun?

Red x=0.708 y=0.292
Green x=0.170 y=0.797
Blue x=0.131 y=0.046

Its so wide that Adobe RGB and DCI is completely covered!

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Does CalMan 5 support the target spec for UHDTV just for fun?
Red x=0.708 y=0.292
Green x=0.170 y=0.797
Blue x=0.131 y=0.046
Its so wide that Adobe RGB and DCI is completely covered!

Current version don't have the UHDTV @ Available Gamut Targers but with any of CalMAN 5 Enthusiast - Professional - Ultimate -Studio licence, you can add a Custom Gamut with an target you like using CalMAN's Gamut Editor.

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Does CalMan 5 support the target spec for UHDTV just for fun?
Red x=0.708 y=0.292
Green x=0.170 y=0.797
Blue x=0.131 y=0.046
Its so wide that Adobe RGB and DCI is completely covered!

I will get a copy of Rec. ITU-R BT.2020 and SMPTE 2036-3 so we can add those to CalMAN as noted it is very easy to add new standards to CalMAN 5 be it, gamut, gamma, cmf, etc...

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I will get a copy of Rec. ITU-R BT.2020 and SMPTE 2036-3 so we can add those to CalMAN as noted it is very easy to add new standards to CalMAN 5 be it, gamut, gamma, cmf, etc...

Even though these 2 new standards won't be of any immediate use to me atm, it's nice know how easily new standards can be added to CalMAN 5.

Since you mentioned color matching function (cmf), can you explain what the selections for that in CalMAN 5 do? I believe it is for use with spectros?

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Even though these 2 new standards won't be of any immediate use to me atm, it's nice know how easily new standards can be added to CalMAN 5.
Since you mentioned color matching function (cmf), can you explain what the selections for that in CalMAN 5 do? I believe it is for use with spectros?

Yes it is for spectros only.

The Color Matching Function or CMF is what turns the spectral data in to XYZ data. XYZ data is suppose to mirror the sensitivity of the three different cone types in the eye. The original 1931 CMF has some deficiencies in the way it accounts for near ultra-violet light. This is mainly because the technology they used to run their experiments didn't have a lot of near ultra-violet. The 10-degrees CMF like the 1964 CIE, are for large field of view color analysis and therefore aren't particularly relevant to video content. The newest 2-degree CMFs like the CIE 2007 CMF seeks to correct the issues with the 1931 CMF. But it didn't stop at the CIE 2007, and we have modified version of that CMF as well.

The problem that gets solved is the one where two displays read the same x,y,Y coordinates yet look different. A CRT and wide gamut CCFL almost always look different, even when they measure exactly the same on the CS-2000. Also Xenon bulb projectors rarely match standard UHP projection. When you switch to newer CMFs, you'll now get different x,y,Y values for these displays that were previously reporting a match. So you can do a much better job matching different display technologies with these newer CMFS.

The real catch to using any of these, is that since D65 has a spectral definition (it is not 0.3127,0.329, but a specific spectral output) so when you change the CMF, you change the location of D65. But the primary locations for rec.709, or any of the other standards don't have spectral definitions. The primaries are defined in the 1931 space assuming the 1931 CMF. So until we have new standards that account for using a different CMF we are stuck using the 1931CMF for anything other than trying to match to a LCD to a rec.709 calibrated CRT.


Of course a Colorimeter profiled off a spectro using a new CMF, would then take on the properties of the new CMF.
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I found this bundle out on their site: CalMAN5 Bundle with DPG-2000 and X-rite i1Display Pro (Retail)


Is this a good deal? Do I need the DPG-2000 pattern generator or will the Spears & Munsil disk be good enough?
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I found this bundle out on their site: CalMAN5 Bundle with DPG-2000 and X-rite i1Display Pro (Retail)
Is this a good deal? Do I need the DPG-2000 pattern generator or will the Spears & Munsil disk be good enough?

The Spears & Munsil disc doesn't have the right patterns to do calibration (10% step grayscale and some gamut swatches).
The free AVS 709 disc does, as does getgray (although using DVD, should work, you now have to worry that your player upscales correctly).

The quality of the calibration won't vary based on the source, but it will be more tedious to manually update the patterns.
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I found this bundle out on their site: CalMAN5 Bundle with DPG-2000 and X-rite i1Display Pro (Retail)
Is this a good deal? Do I need the DPG-2000 pattern generator or will the Spears & Munsil disk be good enough?

But it's still not showing for download!

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