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sotti's Avatar sotti 10:02 AM 05-10-2013
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Having a problem generating reports - anyone know if this is workflow specific or not? Using quick analysis on the enthusiast license.
No matter what, hitting generate report does not work.....any ideas Calman crew?

Quick analysis isn't setup for reports.

Each workflow has to be configured to have a pre and post page to work correctly with reports. The QA workflow does not.

You could edit the QA workflow to have a post page that would work with the home report.

erkq's Avatar erkq 10:12 AM 05-10-2013
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Quick analysis isn't setup for reports.

Each workflow has to be configured to have a pre and post page to work correctly with reports. The QA workflow does not.

You could edit the QA workflow to have a post page that would work with the home report.

I'm so frustrated with reports I've just given up. With no modifications to the LUT workflows that come with Enthusiast, I just get pretty graphs with no data. Where are reports documented? Do I have to go through a tutorial that's going to take my time to tell me a lot of stuff I already know or is there documentation for reports somewhere?

I love the product and get great results from it. But I find when there's something not working right that I need documentation for I just forget about it. I don't have time to slog through a tutorial in hopes that what I'm looking for is covered in there somewhere. I'm a "look up what I need" type of guy and find the general lack of complete documentation to be very frustrating.
ndaa75's Avatar ndaa75 10:13 AM 05-10-2013
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I am able to generate reports as usual with my custom workflow

What about non custom workflows? Also what license do you have?
sotti's Avatar sotti 10:33 AM 05-10-2013
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What about non custom workflows? Also what license do you have?

  • Quick Anaylsis does not have a report.
  • Home workflows work with the home report.
  • Business workflows work with the business reports.
  • The Color Cube (3D LUT) is designed to work with the Color Cube (3D LUT) Report
  • Custom workflows can work with any report, provided you set up the workflow report sources to point to the data you want.

sotti's Avatar sotti 10:35 AM 05-10-2013
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I'm so frustrated with reports I've just given up. With no modifications to the LUT workflows that come with Enthusiast, I just get pretty graphs with no data. .

Reports are primarily a business feature, but we included them for home users for the first time in CalMAN 5.

Enthusiast should have access to 2 reports, the basic home report and the Color Cube (3D LUT) report. If you switch your report to the Color Cube report, things should work as expected.
erkq's Avatar erkq 10:45 AM 05-10-2013
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Reports are primarily a business feature, but we included them for home users for the first time in CalMAN 5.

Enthusiast should have access to 2 reports, the basic home report and the Color Cube (3D LUT) report. If you switch your report to the Color Cube report, things should work as expected.

Right... and as you know, no good deed goes unpunished. smile.gif I'll have a re-look. Thanks!
Franin's Avatar Franin 10:56 AM 05-10-2013
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Originally Posted by p5browne View Post

The C6, to get the best possible calibration, should be Profiled Off either the i1Pro or 2 Model. Since these meters are more pricey, if you know anyone in your area with one that will lend it for an evening, or, I think you can rent one from Spectracal for a short period of time.

Too be honest I have no idea how to profile, I don't think I want to get involved in all that at the moment. I was told the C6 has the additional calibration tables and also gets updated by SpectralCal.
ndaa75's Avatar ndaa75 12:19 PM 05-10-2013
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  • Quick Anaylsis does not have a report.
  • Home workflows work with the home report.
  • Business workflows work with the business reports.
  • The Color Cube (3D LUT) is designed to work with the Color Cube (3D LUT) Report
  • Custom workflows can work with any report, provided you set up the workflow report sources to point to the data you want.

Thank you Joel.
hrc4u's Avatar hrc4u 12:37 PM 05-10-2013
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Hi all I also have a Windows 8 computer but seem can never get Calman Control working on it. Am I doing something wrong?

i'm runnin calman ...enhusiast though fine on my w8/pro 64bit..
does it crash or throw any errors?
cheers!/H
Nudgiator's Avatar Nudgiator 01:06 PM 05-10-2013
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Too be honest I have no idea how to profile

That's very easy. You only need two sensors: a colorimeter and a spectrofotometer. So you combine the best of the two worlds.
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I don't think I want to get involved in all that at the moment.

I am sure you will think about it in a few month / years wink.gif
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I was told the C6 has the additional calibration tables and also gets updated by SpectralCal.

The additional calibration tables are not necessary when you are profiling. The C6 is field upgradeable for NEW technologies, but it's NOT possible to recalibrate it via an update ! You have to send it to SpectraCal for a recalibration.
hrc4u's Avatar hrc4u 01:29 PM 05-10-2013
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Too be honest I have no idea how to profile, I don't think I want to get involved in all that at the moment. I was told the C6 has the additional calibration tables and also gets updated by SpectralCal.

you know profiling takes tops 2-5min?.. =)
/H
erkq's Avatar erkq 01:36 PM 05-10-2013
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you know profiling takes tops 2-5min?.. =)
/H

And that $1k meter (at least). Was I sold a bill of goods with the C6? I was told they rarely need re-calibration when sent back. In fact I was advised not to even bother for personal use.
Chad B's Avatar Chad B 04:11 PM 05-10-2013
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you know profiling takes tops 2-5min?.. =)
/H
Likely more if you count setting up the second meter and verifying the profile.

My C6 is typically off by 3-5 dE from my Jeti spectro before profiling, as was my older setup: enhanced Chroma5 before profiling off an i1Pro.
hrc4u's Avatar hrc4u 05:48 PM 05-10-2013
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you know profiling takes tops 2-5min?.. =)
/H
Likely more if you count setting up the second meter and verifying the profile.

My C6 is typically off by 3-5 dE from my Jeti spectro before profiling, as was my older setup: enhanced Chroma5 before profiling off an i1Pro.

How exactly do you verify the profile?..

GT-i9300 CM10.1
hrc4u's Avatar hrc4u 05:52 PM 05-10-2013
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And that $1k meter (at least). Was I sold a bill of goods with the C6? I was told they rarely need re-calibration when sent back. In fact I was advised not to even bother for personal use.

You can buy the x rite photo/design spectro for lot less than 1k :-) and what I picked up...colorimeters only good for grayscale...not cms.. :-)
p5browne's Avatar p5browne 06:09 PM 05-10-2013
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And that $1k meter (at least). Was I sold a bill of goods with the C6? I was told they rarely need re-calibration when sent back. In fact I was advised not to even bother for personal use.

The Good thing about having the 2 different type of Meters is, Meters like the C6, gradually start to go downhill (How gradual, I don't know, you'd have to ask the Experts.), but Profiling brings it back up to the Spectro Level. The Spectros are the Meters that go a long time before having to be re-calibrated. C6, as mentioned above, are quicker, and Profiled, are more accurate like the Spectro, plus the C6 is better in your lower light levels.
Chad B's Avatar Chad B 06:14 PM 05-10-2013
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How exactly do you verify the profile?..

GT-i9300 CM10.1
Take a measurement run with the spectro and then on a new tab take one with the profiled colorimeter and see if they match above 30% or so.
Franin's Avatar Franin 06:18 PM 05-10-2013
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i'm runnin calman ...enhusiast though fine on my w8/pro 64bit..
does it crash or throw any errors?
cheers!/H

Hi there
Before this new update it used to come up with Microsoft found an error running this software( something similar ) will send report to Microsoft. It happens all the time. With the new updated version calman keeps coming up with errors.
Never worked on my windows 8 computer.
ConnecTEDDD's Avatar ConnecTEDDD 06:22 PM 05-10-2013
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How exactly do you verify the profile?..

GT-i9300 CM10.1
Take a measurement run with the spectro and then on a new tab take one with the profiled colorimeter and see if they match above 30% or so.



Or make a layout page like mine to compare both meters without need to switch tabs tabs.
Franin's Avatar Franin 06:23 PM 05-10-2013
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That's very easy. You only need two sensors: a colorimeter and a spectrofotometer. So you combine the best of the two worlds.

Do you have them both setup when calibrating ?
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I am sure you will think about it in a few month / years wink.gif
I know I will. smile.gif
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The additional calibration tables are not necessary when you are profiling. The C6 is field upgradeable for NEW technologies, but it's NOT possible to recalibrate it via an update ! You have to send it to SpectraCal for a recalibration.

I thought it was firmware updated, I will see how it goes.
Chad B's Avatar Chad B 06:26 PM 05-10-2013
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Or make a layout page like mine to compare both meters without need to switch tabs tabs.

Nice, I like that. smile.gif

Oh, only problem I see is if there are nonlinearities. I got tracking problems in 3D mode when I tried to profile the C6 (contact mode) off the Jeti (non contact, with 3D glasses).
p5browne's Avatar p5browne 06:33 PM 05-10-2013
Now if I could only plug in my Non-enhanced i1Pro, and my Enhanced i1Pro and compare them, but Calman won't recognize them both when plugged in together. It's either one, or the other, but not both. You'd think having separate serial #s they would. In the older Calman 4, they actually had separate names, but under 5, both have the same name. (Still couldn't compare them under 4 either.)
hrc4u's Avatar hrc4u 06:56 PM 05-10-2013
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Take a measurement run with the spectro and then on a new tab take one with the profiled colorimeter and see if they match above 30% or so.

hmm..since colorimeters should only be used for greyscale as ive read..that could be right....but still don't get the need for check profile as long as calman does correct the offset/matrix thing right?....no matter how off the meters are from each other at the beginning they should match after profiling?...(so they should always show same"values after profiling...?)
cheers/H
Chad B's Avatar Chad B 07:11 PM 05-10-2013
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hmm..since colorimeters should only be used for greyscale as ive read..that could be right....but still don't get the need for check profile as long as calman does correct the offset/matrix thing right?....no matter how off the meters are from each other at the beginning they should match after profiling?...(so they should always show same"values after profiling...?)
cheers/H

A profiled colorimeter can be used for CMS.
Every once in a while something may go wrong with the profiling process. It's happened to me a few times, though not often recently. You wouldn't want to proceed to calibrate with an inaccurate profile.
Problems with meter sync, positioning, etc can cause a bad profile.
Kilgore's Avatar Kilgore 07:56 PM 05-10-2013
Does the new version of CalMan access the newly added pluge patterns in the DVDO iScan Duo with it's latest firmware?
stash64's Avatar stash64 08:15 PM 05-10-2013
To those using AutoCal, what are you using as a pattern generator ?

Does a BD player with a usb-uirt controller work well as a pattern generator ? If so, is there a specific controller I should buy ?

Using my Panny BD player as the source/generator would be my preferred method if there are no major drawbacks. I have ChromaPure now but am considering purchasing Calman 5 Control.
erkq's Avatar erkq 09:07 PM 05-10-2013
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To those using AutoCal, what are you using as a pattern generator ?

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I'm using a Lumagen Mini 3D.
sillysally's Avatar sillysally 09:38 PM 05-10-2013
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I'm using a Lumagen Mini 3D.

Same here, and don't forget to check the Reference box in the source box of Calman.

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praz's Avatar praz 09:49 PM 05-10-2013
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Same here, and don't forget to check the Reference box in the source box of Calman.

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This would be the case only if using the Radiance as the pattern generator and not as the video processor.
sillysally's Avatar sillysally 10:06 PM 05-10-2013
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This would be the case only if using the Radiance as the pattern generator and not as the video processor.

No worry there, understand that we are talking about "pattern generator", if you are using the Radiance as a processor then whatever memory slot that you have a calibration in and you have that memory slot setup to output, then that becomes your Reference output for your video input.

And that is the reason why when using the Radiance as a pattern generator you would want to tick the Reference Pattern box in Calman, so as not to have any calibration's that you have stored in your Radiance modifying your output Patterns for calibration. wink.gif

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