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post #2401 of 2441 Old 06-06-2014, 05:48 PM
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On a side note eecolor will not pass through 3D movies and if you use one HDMI cable for both video and audio you may want to check what types of audio eecolor willl pass through. Also no 4K support.

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In that situation regarding audio you would place the eecolor between the AVP/Receiver and projector with all your components plugged into the AVP/Receiver

3D I don't care for and 4K well will just have to wait and see what happens.

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Does that mean there may be some deals on the eecolour due to non passing of 3D? And 4K on the way?
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Does that mean there may be some deals on the eecolour due to non passing of 3D? And 4K on the way?

Get the eeColor while you can, that's all I'm saying... smile.gif

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Does that mean there may be some deals on the eecolour due to non passing of 3D? And 4K on the way?

Get the eeColor while you can, that's all I'm saying... smile.gif

US$699 is an absolute steal for the largest LUT available (65^3) and a processor that adds (almost) zero distortion...

Do you remember this price? 1.595$
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You mean the original price before the manufacturer pulled the plug on the product and dumped their remaining inventory? ... That price? rolleyes.gif
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You mean the original price before the manufacturer pulled the plug on the product and dumped their remaining inventory? ... That price? rolleyes.gif

No, it was a price for the faceplate/firmware difference vs. the original eeColor 3D LUT Box.

The price of eeColor for it's features is ultra low and it's not out of production.

SpectraCAL removed ColorBox because noboby had a single successful 3D LUT calibration at past.

Later after 5.2.3 release and newer it started to work with CalMAN.
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No, it was a price for the faceplate/firmware difference vs. the original eeColor 3D LUT Box.

The price of eeColor for it's features is ultra low and it's not out of production.

SpectraCAL removed ColorBox because noboby had a single successful 3D LUT calibration at past.

Later after 5.2.3 release and newer it started to work with CalMAN.

Then why the sudden rush to buy one "before it's too late?" rolleyes.gifbiggrin.gif
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No, it was a price for the faceplate/firmware difference vs. the original eeColor 3D LUT Box.

The price of eeColor for it's features is ultra low and it's not out of production.

SpectraCAL removed ColorBox because noboby had a single successful 3D LUT calibration at past.

Later after 5.2.3 release and newer it started to work with CalMAN.

Then why the sudden rush to buy one "before it's too late?" rolleyes.gifbiggrin.gif

This is something only you are seeing.

eeColor is the lowest cost 3D LUT box in the world with the largest 3D LUT table memory available in this world. (including products from professional market also, without HDMI In-Out)

I haven't searched the market of other planets/universe.

Only discontinued CineTal's DAVIO 6.000$ had the same cube size with eeColor that had also HDMI In-Out with HDCP.

Do you disagree with this?
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Does that mean there may be some deals on the eecolour due to non passing of 3D? And 4K on the way?

It never could pass 3D so I'm not sure how that would fit into the equation.

Since there is no 3D LUTs box for 4K, that brings up an interesting question. Are you better off with a 1080p display that you can LUTs calibrate or with a 4K display that you can't. Of course part of the answer has to do with how accurate can you traditionally calibrate the new 4K displays. I'm a bit amused that we haven't seen much in the way of in depth calibration reports for 4K displays. Their absence almost sounds like don't look too deep as the color isn't accurate across all levels.

As 4K is adopted for better or worst, I would expect the price of the eecolor box to start to drop in the used market. But frankly, its not that expensive to start with and if you're interested you'd be better off getting one than waiting a couple of years to save a couple of hundred dollars.

If on the flip side, you're going to get a 4K display in the next year, I wouldn't bother.

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The new Radiance boxes support 4k

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The new Radiance boxes support 4k

Yes, but currently Lumagen Radiance 21xx Reries are supporting 2160p24 8-bit 4:2:0 output.

With upcoming firmware update they will support 2160p60 4:2:0 8-bit output.

But the maximum input signal you can enter to any Lumagen 21xx is still 1080p60 and not 2160p.

For 1080p Output 3D LUT Box / Video Processors Users who want UHD 2160p scalling, there some very interesting and low-cost accessories from Seiki.

Scott Wilkinson (AVS Forum Editor) has posted some first impressions about Seiki demonstration at another AVSForum thread here.

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BTW this is my last post here, all posts about 3D LUT Boxes the other users have posted to this thread are moving the discusion to other things from that's thread tittle.

It will be more helpful for all to continue this session to another topic.
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Are you better off with a 1080p display that you can LUTs calibrate or with a 4K display that you can't.
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I'd say it's more important to be able to calibrate your image, by far, than to get a 4k picture. You'd have to sit at 1sw or closer to see any advantage to 4k, if you have normal 20/20 eyesight. OTOH, you will see dramatic improvement with a good calibration at any reasonable viewing distance.
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One day, in the not too distant future, a lot of the TVs will be 4K. Just like now days, most sets all have 3D, but were much more expensive in past years. Then we'll be arguing the merits of 8K sets.
How about Holographic sets? Then we can really get into arguing `Depth of Field'! Plus the Logistics to calibrate?! Spectracal, your challenges are just starting!
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One day, in the not too distant future, a lot of the TVs will be 4K. Just like now days, most sets all have 3D, but were much more expensive in past years.

The $64 question being will there actually be a 4K color system specification adopted and how many of these 4K TVs in the "not-too-distant-future" will actually be able to meet that 4K color spec, which hasn't been adopted yet. ... Challenges for sure ... for all. wink.gif 4K Buyers beware! smile.gif
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Joe Kane has been writing some interesting articles about this for Widescreen Review. If I recall correctly he seems very sceptical that any colour space beyond Rec709 will be used for 4K consumer sources. Rec2020 is simply too huge in data terms.

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Joe Kane has been writing some interesting articles about this for Widescreen Review. If I recall correctly he seems very sceptical that any colour space beyond Rec709 will be used for 4K consumer sources. Rec2020 is simply too huge in data terms.

It's not a data issue, but more of the physics of making a display with a gamut that wide and also there are significant viewer metamerism issues with a gamut that wide. It starts to become an issue where everyone will see the color differently, beyond even what alternate CMFs can fix.
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I think the issue is that to produce such a wide gamut, the primaries have to be much narrower (spectrally speaking). And narrower spectra tend to exploit the differences between individual color matching functions (from observer to observer) more so than wider spectra. Have I got that right?
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I think the issue is that to produce such a wide gamut, the primaries have to be much narrower (spectrally speaking). And narrower spectra tend to exploit the differences between individual color matching functions (from observer to observer) more so than wider spectra. Have I got that right?

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xvYCC is a horrible spec, and it's a blessing it's never been implemented.

We do already have DCI, and is plenty wide enough.
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I remember awhile back when I first acquired my Lumagen 2041 I did an auto cal on the grey points and the outcome on the projector screen was horrible. I was told by a member that I needed to do it manually because there was a bug in Calman has that been fixed ?

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Has anyone manually calibrated an OLED display (Samsung or LG) 6 point and then checked linearity and large color checker with Calman?

I've not yet seen anything like that with any of the reviews. Makes me think that their absence means that they're not very linear but would like to see what someone has found on their own.

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Has anyone manually calibrated an OLED display (Samsung or LG) 6 point and then checked linearity and large color checker with Calman?

I've not yet seen anything like that with any of the reviews. Makes me think that their absence means that they're not very linear but would like to see what someone has found on their own.
I did and then I ran sat and lum sweeps. See link in my signature.
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I remember awhile back when I first acquired my Lumagen 2041 I did an auto cal on the grey points and the outcome on the projector screen was horrible. I was told by a member that I needed to do it manually because there was a bug in Calman has that been fixed ?

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That sounds odd.

You should manually calibrate the white point on the projector, but CalMAN should do an excellent job on the grayscale, I can't remember any recent bugs with grayscale autocal.

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Newer Calman

Ver 5.3.5 RC4 Build #1581 - Work Flow crashes repaired.

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NEW Lumagen Updates - ALL Models - Enhanced Colour Pattern Improvements - Results Deeper, better looking Colours!

http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=updates

PQ from eyeballing after a DDC Reset - will check my results tonight from last night's calibration. Darn issues with 100% Blue rising after the 125 Point 3D LUT calibration. Being it was 3AM when finished, will leave and check tonight as well.



Lets try this again:

http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php...ancexe_updates

Production 060914- Fixes up a few bugs in some of the test patterns in the previous release. (061014 for the 20XX and 21XX)

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CalMAN 5.3.5 (Final Release) Build: 1597 Released @ 03 July 2014

New Features

Added support for Video Levels on the EIZO for 1D LUTs.

Added new Monitor-Direct workflow for HP DreamColor Z27x and EIZO ColorEdge monitors. This supports the internal LUTS of these monitors as well as the creation of ICC Profiles.

Changes

CalMAN now supports the JVC x5 and x6 series CMS DDC controls in native ranges.

Performance improvements were made on the Radiance for 3D LUTs

Resolved Issues

Resolved issue which caused a crash when profiling meters in Single Pass.

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Changing from dE2000 to dE94 for AutoCal

Spectracal Forum Member mentioned using dE94 instead of dE2000 - Tried last night with faster AutoCal results, and a Superior data results for both the Gamma and 3D LUT 125 Point.

Final Results: Gamma Max 0.2 Avg 0.1 ColourChecker Max 1.7 Avg 0.6 Saturation Max 1.7 Avg 0.7 Luminance Max 2.4 Avg 1
Also cleared up a Cyan, Green, Yellow Saturation issue I was having.
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