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CalMAN 5.3.5a Build: 1598 Released @ 07 July 2014

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Lumagen Radiance (XE/XE+/XE3D/XE/XE+/XE3D/Mini-3D/XD/XD3D) New 070114 Firmware Update

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A couple of APL test pattern fixups.

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Lumagen Radiance (XE/XE+/XE3D/XE/XE+/XE3D/Mini-3D/XD/XD3D) New 070114 Firmware Update

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A couple of APL test pattern fixups.

Speeds up test patterns. (Update time ~3 minutes @57k)

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To many Seniors coming in with Desktops and Laptops with Windows 8 or 8.1 they've messed up that I have to fix. Keeping too busy to even go online the last little while.

Have now converted my calibration to 75/75 on the Samsung Plasma, as well as using dE94 instead of the dE2000 - much better results, plus much faster! To bad theres no option choice in the Calman. Manually changing dE2000 to dE94 is a pain!
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Manually changing dE2000 to dE94 is a pain!

What do you mean it's a pain? There are two options in application measurement options, in the autocal targets, one for greyscale, one for the cube. You change it once (it takes about one second per option) and it's saved until you change it again. There is no need to change the layouts, the difference between dE2000 and dE94 during verification is minimal, so you can still use the same dE2000 based layouts in the workflows.
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Just something you might be of interest is we recently added a de2000+JND metric for autocal, we recommend using that formula with a threshold of 1.

It adds much more weight to luminance error.

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Just something you might be of interest is we recently added a de2000+JND metric for autocal, we recommend using that formula with a threshold of 1.

It adds much more weight to luminance error.
Looks like I had better do a little more looking around for these adjustment changes - hard to teach seniors new tricks - even harder remembering them!
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Just something you might be of interest is we recently added a de2000+JND metric for autocal, we recommend using that formula with a threshold of 1.

It adds much more weight to luminance error.

Thanks for implementing this Joel, that's great.


I'll test it and will report.


EDIT: that formula doesn't seem to be present in the latest release build (1598). Is it upcoming or are we supposed to have access to it already?

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Lumagen Radiance (XE/XE+/XE3D/XE/XE+/XE3D/Mini-3D/XD/XD3D) New 070314 Firmware Update


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Fix for issue with rs232 test pattern usage that would often give a corrupted picture. (Update time ~3 minutes @57k)


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Just something you might be of interest is we recently added a de2000+JND metric for autocal, we recommend using that formula with a threshold of 1.

It adds much more weight to luminance error.
Can you draw us a map as to where to find this setting?
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Can you draw us a map as to where to find this setting?
It should be in the autocal targets I mentioned in my earlier post, but the new option doesn't seem to be in the list.

Hopefully it will be listed as a choice in a soon to be released update.
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Looks like it didn't make it into the UI, it's in and forced for dicom and EPD gamma curves (medical and satellite imaging respectively).

We are still evaluating possibly making it default for the video products, and I thought it had been exposed. We might be exposing another alternate as well.

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Looks like it didn't make it into the UI, it's in and forced for dicom and EPD gamma curves (medical and satellite imaging respectively).

We are still evaluating possibly making it default for the video products, and I thought it had been exposed. We might be exposing another alternate as well.
Thanks.


It would make sense to make it the default, if the difference is as striking as when using dE94.


Looking forward to testing it in the next build.
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Production 070414- Another rs232 test pattern problem fixed. An issue with screen being blank fixed. Problem with using left arrow on remote for aspect changes fixed.
Will this be the last?
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Will this be the last?
I hope not. I'm happy that Lumagen is still adding features to their older models. (Though perhaps their QA could be improved.)
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I hope not. I'm happy that Lumagen is still adding features to their older models. (Though perhaps their QA could be improved.)
They just changed the whole pipeline for the whole range just to give us better patterns, even on models which are two or three generations back, and it took them a few days to solve very minor issues that only some users experienced, which made them difficult to reproduce. I was one of these customers, and they kept working until it was resolved.

With any other company, first the improvement would not have happened on my three year old product, I would have had to buy the latest in the range to benefit from the new features (I had already benefited from the 5x5x5 3D LUT for free, which was incredible at the time). And then I would have been ignored and would have felt alienated talking to ignorant customer support trying to convince me it was my fault. With Lumagen, their main engineer was working on it and giving/asking for feedback.

They are still offering the longest life in any hardware product in this industry, and their customer support is simply second to none.

There are few companies I would defend against anything, but Lumagen is one of them. They just rock. They don't milk their customers. They care after them .
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I agree Manni. I don't think there is ANYONE that even comes close to the customer and product support of Lumagen. The closest I can think of is Oppo, and I think even they fall slightly short. I realize that for most people the cost of entry on a Lumagen is a bit steep and a hard pill to swallow but I can't image not having one. Even if you don't take into account the brilliant scaling and other video processing options the calibration side makes this a must own in every way. I CONSTANTLY see people talking about issues they are having with calibrating and every time I can't help but think how that wouldn't even be an issue if they had a Lumagen.
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They just changed the whole pipeline for the whole range just to give us better patterns, even on models which are two or three generations back, and it took them a few days to solve very minor issues that only some users experienced, which made them difficult to reproduce. I was one of these customers, and they kept working until it was resolved.

With any other company, first the improvement would not have happened on my three year old product, I would have had to buy the latest in the range to benefit from the new features (I had already benefited from the 5x5x5 3D LUT for free, which was incredible at the time). And then I would have been ignored and would have felt alienated talking to ignorant customer support trying to convince me it was my fault. With Lumagen, their main engineer was working on it and giving/asking for feedback.

They are still offering the longest life in any hardware product in this industry, and their customer support is simply second to none.

There are few companies I would defend against anything, but Lumagen is one of them. They just rock. They don't milk their customers. They care after them .
+1. I'm another one of those few customers with an issue, and they got it fixed with the last fw release (3 days and 2 releases after I first encountered it). They are a GREAT company with a superb product.

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Lumagen Radiance (XE/XE+/XE3D/XE/XE+/XE3D/Mini-3D/XD/XD3D) New 070514 Firmware Update

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One more fix for an issue with rs232 test pattern usage via calibration software. (Update time ~3 minutes @57k)

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Does Lumagen improve their scaling algorithm over time? As products like madVR come out with really advanced scaling to 4k, etc, does Lumagen update and improve theirs as well? I know the firmware updates add killer features from time to time, but is the scaling updated?
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Does Lumagen improve their scaling algorithm over time? As products like madVR come out with really advanced scaling to 4k, etc, does Lumagen update and improve theirs as well? I know the firmware updates add killer features from time to time, but is the scaling updated?
Has it been shown that MadVR is *better* than Lumagen at scaling...?

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Has it been shown that MadVR is *better* than Lumagen at scaling...?
Shown? I don't know. I didn't say it was, though. I just was wondering if Lumagen updates the scaling algorithm as well as the features of the products. I am sure its already great, but everything evolves and can be improved.

Here is one user prefering madVR:

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Come an get it!

Lumagen has now got us up to 070714 -

http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=updates

Production 070814- A fix for exiting test patterns when using vertical shift (bottom of screen left uncleared).

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Lumagen Radiance (XE/XE+/XE3D/XE/XE+/XE3D/Mini-3D/XD/XD3D) New 070814 Firmware Update

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A fix for exiting test patterns when using vertical shift (bottom of screen left uncleared). (Update time ~3 minutes @57k)

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07 FWs

Talking with Jim at Lumagen today, and he mentioned that the new 07 Firmwares will increase internal power requirement levels on the Radiance somewhat. So just make sure your Radiance does have adequate ventilation.
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