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I did not quote anyone; my post was intended for everyone.
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The difficult part is accounting for variances in content since some stuff needs the boost and other stuff doesn't need much.
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Finding the perfect balance between music, movies, games, different mediums; LPs, Hi-Res audio downloads, SACDs, Blu-rays, DVDs, CDs, Reel-to-Reel tapes, VHS tapes, Laser discs, Cassette tapes, ... is our job.
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I don't watch TV (regular), so I don't have cable/satellite TV and all that streaming jazz.
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Finding the perfect balance between music, movies, games, different mediums; LPs, Hi-Res audio downloads, SACDs, Blu-rays, DVDs, CDs, Reel-to-Reel tapes, VHS tapes, Laser discs, Cassette tapes, ... is our job.
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I don't watch TV (regular), so I don't have cable/satellite TV and all that streaming jazz.
Right now a 2 dB boost seems better than a 2.5 to 3 dB one. Watching movies on cable revealed a lot of boominess with the latter. It also showed up at points on a bd movie I saw today, The Guest. Music in movies seems to be one good way to gauge boominess, since excessive bass can distort some kinds of music easily.

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Blu-rays (movie side of business entertainment equation) is the best medium to gauge our level(s). ....Definitely.

For music listening; CD/SACD/LPs ... it varies. ...So many formats and mediums...radio this radio that hi-res tis hi-res dat ...a pendulum of music fireworks ...
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I forgot, does it have separate 2D and 3D picture calibration test parameters?
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Yes it has a separate 3D section although I have never used it. Also, 3 of the demonstration videos are state of the art in terms of PQ with at least one in 3D. IMO, for the $ you can't go wrong.
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I forgot, does it have separate 2D and 3D picture calibration test parameters?
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Yes it has a separate 3D section although I have never used it. Also, 3 of the demonstration videos are state of the art in terms of PQ with at least one in 3D. IMO, for the $ you can't go wrong.
One of the most useful and important test patterns for 3D, IMO, is the one that shows why vertical placement is so critical with a 3D display. If the display is mounted too high, the test pattern reveals the ghosting that is the result.

And, of course, the 3D demo material is breathtaking quality!
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Yes it has a separate 3D section although I have never used it. Also, 3 of the demonstration videos are state of the art in terms of PQ with at least one in 3D. IMO, for the $ you can't go wrong.
You have no 3D TV?

For me it is the 3D picture calibration that counts. ...For 3D demos with few hundred 3D Blu-rays I have plenty of demos, some nice ones too.

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^ I have a 70" Sharp Elite. The 2 pair of glasses that came with it have never been used and are in a drawer someplace. Never interested in 3D after checking out Panasonic and Sony sets. Glasses over glasses plus an old whiplash injury that can cause bad muscle tension headaches when the muscles are compressed by heavy glass frames are also factors.
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If we are to look at differences in sound intensity (volume) in terms of dB in the same way color errors in displays are quantified by dE, what is the JND and so on, so forth?

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1 dB (difference), 2 dB, 3dB, etc.
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This Spears&Munsil Blu-ray Calibration disc; is it still current with the 2nd Edition?

And, for regular people like me (no picture calibration tools), is it more advantageous/accurate than other Blu-ray Calibration discs like WOW from Disney and Avia from Ovation?
...Video Essentials with Joe Kane?

And, if yes, in which aspects of picture and/or audio or both?

S&M is much better then Disney WOW , Avia , and DVE

Mastered / AVCHD -- Blu-Ray disks that can play in the Xbox One
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^ I have a 70" Sharp Elite. The 2 pair of glasses that came with it have never been used and are in a drawer someplace. Never interested in 3D after checking out Panasonic and Sony sets. Glasses over glasses plus an old whiplash injury that can cause bad muscle tension headaches when the muscles are compressed by heavy glass frames are also factors.
♦ I too wear prescription glasses, but no problemo; you can get large 3D glasses that fit over them, and you can even get a 3D attachment that click on your regular glasses, like those type of light sunglasses that attach @ the top of your normal glasses, you know.

Plus, you have to give a chance to 3D in your own home; @ the stores you don't have ideal conditions, unless they have a dark room with a properly calibrated 3D HDTV. ...No high-end video stores like that here around my woods.

But, you seem to be well informed on the health scientific studies issues that it can cause for certain individuals.
...Like smartphones transmitting cancer viruses to your brain for example.

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Mastered -- Blu-Ray disks that can play in the Xbox One
> S&M
> AVS-HD

Un-Mastered -- Blu-Ray disks that cannot play in the Xbox One
> Teds Lightspace
> ChromaPure

General setup
> S&M

Metered Calibration
> Ted's Lightspace (BEST)
> AVS-HD (better)
> ChromaPure (good)
♦ Hey, that sounds like a real deal, WoW! ...With 3D glasses on.
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S&M is much better then Disney WOW , Avia , and DVE

Mastered -- Blu-Ray disks that can play in the Xbox One
> S&M
> AVS-HD

Un-Mastered -- Blu-Ray disks that cannot play in the Xbox One
> Teds Lightspace
> ChromaPure

General setup
> S&M

Metered Calibration
> Ted's Lightspace (BEST)
> AVS-HD (better)
> ChromaPure (good)
Hello, that's correct because Xbox One can't play Recordable Blu-ray (BD-R) due to DRM.

Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk is using a Blank Blu-Ray Disk Media from JVC Taiyo Yuden (for Professional Use) WaterShield - Glossy White Inkjet Printable BD-25GB (LTH Type) Single Layer Disc. (Made In Japan).

XboxOne users can use the Media Files Version of Ted's LightSpace CMS Disk that is including all contents of Blu-Ray Disk release in MP4 & MKV file format.

S&M Disk is a 'must have' advance calibration disk that any enthusiast it's 'ultra' recommenced to have to it's collection.

Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk Free Version for Free Calibration Software: LightSpace DPS / CalMAN ColorChecker / HCFR
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S&M Disk is a 'must have' advance calibration disk that any enthusiast it's 'ultra' recommenced to have to it's collection.
+1. I have a number of test disks, DVE, Avia, Disney WOW, AVS HD 709, but since purchasing S&M (first ver 1, then ver 2), the other disks are coasters.
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+1. I have a number of test disks, DVE, Avia, Disney WOW, AVS HD 709, but since purchasing S&M (first ver 1, then ver 2), the other disks are coasters.
I still use the Avia version 2 for some of the audio test signals, which aren't as extensive on the S&M v.2.

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I also use Avia from Ovation for my audio calibration test signals.

And I like Digital Video Essentials for picture calibration tests.

And I like the WOW Disney one for simplicity and quick check.

* I also have another dozen or so audio/video test discs (HQV and all that jazz); but I like the three above best.

And that's why I was asking about the latest and best Spears&Munsil version of audio/video calibration disc on Blu-ray.

Now it seems obvious that I should add that one too in my collection of calibration discs.

By the way, I'm no expert, I don't have any pro calibration tools, I have only my two eyes and ears and few mics to verify audio levels and balance.
I'm just a simple normal guy, who also loves 3D picture and sound. ...But nothing really major to fret about.
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It's better to discus about the impressions by using any calibration disk here: What is the best calibration disc???

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It's better to discus about the impressions by using any calibration disk here: What is the best calibration disc???
Very cool, thanks.
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Every one sees and hears differently.
They just showed a dress on TV last night, and asked people what colours it was made up of. Some saw gold and white, others blue and black, and others various shades of black and grey, etc.
Calibrating with a Meter, both for audio and visual will get a truer version of what the settings should be. Very important when others, other than yourself, are also watching and listening to your setup.
I've gotten so use to a calibrated TV, that when it goes off it's settings, it starts to grate on your nerves until re-calibrated.
Then just when you get it perfect, wife decides to change the room's colour scheme! Arrrggg! (Why we have man caves!)
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I've gotten so use to a calibrated TV, that when it goes off it's settings, it starts to grate on your nerves until re-calibrated.
OK, can anyone explain why an LED or LCD set needs to be recalibrated from time to time?

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OK, can anyone explain why an LED or LCD set needs to be recalibrated from time to time?
I am of the opinion that it doesn't need to be recalibrated. On the several occasions that I have gone back in to check the calibration, I found the settings to be essentially the same. It's not like there is a bulb that grows dimmer over time, especially in LED flat panels. Of course, I could be wrong.
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Everything ages.
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Everything ages.
Certainly a true statement. But I think the question is, does the aging result in enough of a "drift" in a LED panel settings to warrant a periodic re-calibration? If yes, how long does it take for drift to produce enough of a change to become noticeable? One month? Six months? Five years? I certainly don't know.
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I recalibrate & profile monitors in an industrial photolab. 4 workstations. The CRTs (we had until 2007) _needed_ it monthly. The LCDs we have now are just beginning to exhibit noticeable drift. LEDs (in theory!) should show less.
Then, of course, there is what hardware you are working with. Don't ask me what I'd love to do with idiot managers and business office know-it-alls.
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Most drift is in the first 1000 hours of viewing.
After that, it depends on the quality of the electronic components. When I look at boards inside the TV using 10 Volt capacitors, in a 12 Volt system, and with the periodic spikes, brown outs, offs/ons in a short period of time, and with most people without UPS protection, values change. Ever calibrated? The night before - dead on the mark - next day, not so dead on the mark. As time passes, the re-scan results will vary.
Current UN65HU9000 I calibrate - CMS values change very little: a click here, a click there, but the 11/21 Point Greyscale, totally different story. Will it ever settle down as well? Time will tell. My 5 year old LG 55LHX - values over 5 years have never been consistant. Blues rise, Reds fall. The older they get, Blues decrease and now Reds rise. Wife's LHX, currently the Greens are dropping. So re-calibrating keeps your set at the top of it's game. Besides, gives me something to do after the wife goes to bed at 10PM, whereas I'm up to 1 to 3AM.
Also, remember the electronics in your TVs boards were purchased under the bidding process! Then to, engineers don't necessarily get it right. etc.
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^ Are you a professional calibrator? Sounds like you are trying to drum up some business. As I said earlier, I check my LED display periodically, and I have not noticed any drift. Maybe I have quality components...
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