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Hi, this pattern in included inside the 6-Point Near Black Chapter (0.5-1-2-3-4-5%):



It contains the following patches:

0% Black (RGB Triplet: 16.16.16)
0.5% Gray (RGB Triplet: 17.17.17)
1% Gray (RGB Triplet: 18.18.18)
2% Gray (RGB Triplet: 20.20.20)
3% Gray (RGB Triplet: 23.23.23)
4% Gray (RGB Triplet: 25.25.25)
5% Gray (RGB Triplet: 27.27.27)

An alternative way to measure the any of the 16,17,18,19,20...until 25 level you like; is to load the Brightness Flashing Bars Pattern and pause it:



Each bar is large enough to place your meter in contact above to each bar and measure the level you want.

Other patterns you can use for brightness setup (the digital levels for each pattern are shown to that link):

Advanced Brightness Flashing Bars Pattern (Pre-Calibration Tools Page)
Advanced Brightness Black & White Flashing Bars (Pre-Calibration Tools Page)
Black & White Steps (Color Reproduction 1 Page)
Black & White Tunnel (Color Reproduction 1 Page)
Black & White Bars (Color Reproduction 1 Page)
7-Color Low-High (Color Reproduction 1 Page)
Black Level (Color Reproduction 1 Page)
Black Square Tunnel (Color Reproduction 1 Page)
Grayscale Full Steps (Color Reproduction 2 Page)
Black Tunnel (Color Reproduction 1 Page)

For example, about Black Tunnel:



This is a pattern which has flashing boxes. The picture you see here, it doesn't have the original pattern digital levels, I have lift the brightness by 150% using Photoshop to the whole image; for being easier to the users to see all the areas of that pattern at that example.

The things which have to flash is the 17 boxes, the text which say 17 (large letters are the center left top side, left bottom side) or 0.5% (at center right side)

Also at bottom left side, no box should be visible, because all boxes are from 16 till 8. Only the letters which say 17 has to be visible and flashing.

This is good for checking if a wrong brightness setting will lift black levels.

There also letters which say 'This is 2%/4% below black and should not be visible'' The letters have 16 level fill, so they have to be invisible. (If the user sees a boarder for this letters, this means that he has high it's sharpness.)

When you don't see any flashing box of 16 and below but you still able to see the letters fill ''This is 2%/4% below black and should not be visible (letters fill/color is 16) this means that some enhancement in processing is detecting and boosting that level, so you have to find out which setting is enabling the artifact and disable it.

When you don't see any flashing box of 16 and below but you still able to see the letters boarder (not fill) ''This is 2%/4% below black and should not be visible (letters fill/color is 16)This is reference Black & should not be visible'' flashing (while the letters fill is invisible), this means that your current sharpness setting is not correct and you have to reduce the sharpness slider more.

It has to do with the combination of sharpness setting with the image processing engine of each display, that enable/boosting these fake details that are not supposed to be visible.

This is a good pattern to check near black levels to 3 parts of the screen. not only one as usual. If you imagine an area where a 2.35:1 movie covers, this is inside to the 3 areas where the pattern is flashing. Usually the corners or up-down bars are black to the most of the movies.
Thanks for the explanation. Can you point me in the direction of these slides in mp4 or mkv format? Trying to set brightness through my tvs internal player. Thanks

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Thanks for the explanation. Can you point me in the direction of these slides in mp4 or mkv format? Trying to set brightness through my tvs internal player. Thanks

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Yes, of-course, look inside:

Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk 1.1 (MP4 Media Files)\01. Pre-Calibration Tools\01. Display Setup.....for pre-calibration:



Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk 1.1 (MP4 Media Files)\03. Color Reproduction.....for the patterns I mentioned above, for various brightness tests or other kind of pre/post calibration visual verification:



Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk 1.1 (MP4 Media Files)\04. Verify Calibration Tools\02. CalMAN\06. 6-Point Near Black.mp4.....for Near Black with chapter marks or:

Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk 1.1 (MP4 Media Files)\04. Verify Calibration Tools\02. CalMAN\06. 6-Point Near Black.....for Near Black as separate files per patch:



or to the same folders/files @ MKV Media Files.

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S/W: LightSpace CMS, SpaceMan ICC, SpaceMatch DCM, CalMAN 5, CalMAN RGB, ChromaPure, ControlCAL
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Here are some images I designed to showcase what you are checking when are you looking to some basic patterns all of us are using for pre/post calibration verification, with an RGB Cube Space presentation.

Using the Contrast Flashing Bars Pattern, you are checking this area:



Using the Advanced Contrast Flashing Bars Pattern, you are checking additionally the RGBCMY also:



Using the 7-Color Clipping Bars Pattern to prevent clipping of each color channel (WRGBCMY), this sometimes can be fixed be removing some additionally clicks from the contrast control also, you are checking these areas:

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Mr. Tedd, is there a tutorial on how to walk through using your patterns? I have purchased them in 2 different formats, but I am very new to this whole calibration business.

I have been hesitant to ask for help here lest someone throw out "RTFM" on me =]

I'd be glad to read the manual, just haven't found one that really helps or applies.

Thanks!

I have the i1Display Pro. My plan is to calibrate a few computer monitors first and then take it home to calibrate my home theater.
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Mr. Tedd, is there a tutorial on how to walk through using your patterns? I have purchased them in 2 different formats, but I am very new to this whole calibration business.

I have been hesitant to ask for help here lest someone throw out "RTFM" on me =]

I'd be glad to read the manual, just haven't found one that really helps or applies.

Thanks!

I have the i1Display Pro. My plan is to calibrate a few computer monitors first and then take it home to calibrate my home theater.
Hi, about the calibration for your computer monitors, you will not need to use my patterns, since it's been encoded for TV/Video Legal Levels (8bit signal has 256 values...Reference Black is 16, Reference White is 235...from the 1-254 transmitted 8bit signal) which is the signal type they use in Blu-Ray/Satellite/Terrestial/Cable etc.

PC's are working in PC/Data Levels 0-255 (0 is Reference Black, 255 is Reference White)

For your PC Monitor calibration, since you have i1Display PRO, you can download the X-Rite i1Profiler.

i1Profiler It's direct connecting with your Monitor RGB Balance controls (when this is possible, or asks you to do this manually and guides you what adjustment you need to take to do an iniatial White Calibration (usually monitors have 1-point of RGB balance controls for that). Later it will autoadjust the Grayscale/Gamma by adjusting the output of the video signal that it goes to the display (VCGT). It will measure some colors also and it will generate an ICC file. To fully take advantage of the ICC correction (Gamut Correction) you need an application that can read ICC correction, software like PhotoShop (from inside PhotoShop preview window you will be able to see Gamut Colors Correction.)

To your windows or other applications that is not supporting ICC, it will correct the VCGT (Video Card Gamma Table), this means RGB Balance (Grayscale) and Gamma, your Gamut is not corrected by VCGT.

To calibrate a Display, initially you will need to start by setting Sharpness/Contrast/Brightness with my disk and then move to measurements with HCFR and you meter. You will start using the Movie Mode (which is the best performing mode from all the other movies that each TV is coming), disable enhancement, and measure the Warm 1/2 with Grayscale patterns to see which has better RGB Balance and it's closer to D65 (The White Point that REC.709 colorspace is using). After that measure the available Gamma Options (0,-1,-2,-3) to see which one is closer to your target gamma (2.4), recheck again contrast/brightness and then move to Grayscale calibraition. If you display has 2-Point and 10/20 Point RGB Balance, then start with 2-Point and use 100% White patch to calibrate using the RGB-Gains (RGB-High) controls and then with 30% with RGB Cuts (RGB-Low) controls, recheck always both and contrast/brightness again, after that move to 10/20-Point RGB balance for further adjustments and use the 11/21-Point Grayscale Chapters. After the end of Grayscale calibration you will move to Color Gamut adjustments (if you display has that kind of controls, for Full CMS adjustments).

About the initial setup I will forward you via email instructions.

About using HCFR, there info @ AVSForum thread: HCFR - Open source projector and display calibration software

There is a user tutorial here: The certainly not complete user guide to get to know and calibrate your TV

The settings for HCFR per measurement run using my disk, you have received them by email but I have posted them here also: Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk

Contact me here, if you need any further help: http://www.displaycalibrations.com/contact_us.html

For improve your calibration knownledge, here are some useful links generally for calibration:

http://www.tlvexp.ca/

Video Calibration From The Inside - Volume I - 2nd Edition-1

http://chromapure.com/demos.asp

http://chromapure.com/ChromaPureManual.pdf

http://www.spectracal.com/downloads/...n%20How-To.pdf

http://calman.spectracal.com/user-guides.html

http://calman.spectracal.com/webinars.html

https://www.youtube.com/user/SpectraCal

http://lightillusion.com/why_calibrate.html

http://lightillusion.com/delta-e.html

http://lightillusion.com/manual_cali...ots_guide.html
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Brilliant, thank you!

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I have had this disk for quite a while now, have made extensive use of it and can not find any fault with it. The accuracy and numerous patterns available on the disk is all that is needed for calibrating/evaluating the video chain. At first I put off getting this disk thinking it was just another calibration disk that will not make much difference to the one's I already have, but now that I have it I can kick myself for not getting it any sooner.

As for the service and backup of the disk from Ted himself, I think it's nothing short of awesome. Ted's knowledge on calibration and characterization is amazing and he's always willing to share and help out, always on the forums with answers that are needed, I wonder does he ever sleep. In any case, exceptional job, the disk and service is amazing.

I finally have the eecolor box and lightspace, and all color reproduction patterns look perfect. After switching from another calibration solution, that is now apparent, is introducing errors such as banding that I have had for a long time. Banding problems and low luminance after calibration, are now resolved!
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3 questions:

1) With Lightspace CMS you can set the adjustment gamma or greyscale only by luma?

2) In Lightspace you can create a 3Dlut, only by correcting the CMS, without touching the greyscale?

3) By using the Ted Disc with Lightspace CMS in automatic mode, you can set the Drift Compensation?

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3 questions:

1) With Lightspace CMS you can set the adjustment gamma or greyscale only by luma?

2) In Lightspace you can create a 3Dlut, only by correcting the CMS, without touching the greyscale?

3) By using the Ted Disc with Lightspace CMS in automatic mode, you can set the Drift Compensation?
Hi, forgot to reply here because we are talking via email also.

About your questions:

1+2): When you have good pre-calibrated settings (larger gamut coverage from target gamut coverage, good RGB Separation etc.) LightSpace engine when you will feed it with the measured point will do whatever is possible to provide a global correction to all the areas.

3) Current version of Ted's Disk is working with Sequential patch sequence. Future version will work with Anisometric. LightSpace currently don't support Drift Comp. patch sequence in DIP mode, but this will be added to future version of LightSpace. When Anisometric and drift comp will be able to work in DIP mode then I will be able to test and see how it works

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Ted`s Disk and Samsung UBD-K8500

Hi Ted,
I use your disk to check the result of calibration, which I make because of the speed with a pattern Generator.
For this I have a BD-R burned and use these without problems with the Oppo 103 and the Samsung BD-H6500.

Unfortunately, I have problems with the new Samsung UBD-K8500. In many chapters the player jumps immediately after the start to the last track. This is not a fundamental problem with your disc, because with the AVS-709 disk happens the same.
I just want to ask if only my BD-R have this problem with the K8500, or whether that is already known.

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Hi Ted,
I use your disk to check the result of calibration, which I make because of the speed with a pattern Generator.
For this I have a BD-R burned and use these without problems with the Oppo 103 and the Samsung BD-H6500.

Unfortunately, I have problems with the new Samsung UBD-K8500. In many chapters the player jumps immediately after the start to the last track. This is not a fundamental problem with your disc, because with the AVS-709 disk happens the same.
I just want to ask if only my BD-R have this problem with the K8500, or whether that is already known.

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Hi Peter,

This is an issue with that specific player, probably can't play BD-R since AVSHD has the same issues with playback, a workaround is to use the Media Files of my disk.

A lot of users have reported via email or via on-line help the issue to Samsung (which is not a company which is so helpful to users issues, sending the Digital ISO of AVSHD or Ted's Disk), but no luck from Samsung side to provide any fix.

See there: Official Samsung UBD-K8500 4K HDR Ultra HD Blu-Ray Player Owner's Thread

It's not your BD-Recorder or Disk Media problem, we have tested a lot of different disk brands BD-R or BD-RE.

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Hi Ted,
Thanks for the information, I thought so.
Funnily, the chapter with the Quickprofile (141 patches, 1 second) works well, so I can use your disk for this control also on the K8500.
I could now claim that this is the only reason to use a K-10A.
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Hi Ted,
Thanks for the information, I thought so.
Funnily, the chapter with the Quickprofile (141 patches, 1 second) works well, so I can use your disk for this control also on the K8500.
I could now claim that this is the only reason to use a K-10A.
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Hi Peter,

The 1 sec. DIP mode Chapters can be used only from Klein K-10A users.

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You can also use the 1 sec. chapters with the CR-100, as you can define the max read time, and it works well at 1 sec.

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Yesterday just calibrated a 55B6 and a 65E6 both of them with Teds Disc stunning results see above. I used the Disc because the B Modell has problems with rgb levels so it's impossible to use mobileforge if you want correct RGB triplets.

So I highly recommended to use this masterpiece of Disc

55B6


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Ted,

Is there a guide how to use your media files with media player (bluray with media player capabilities ) and DIP in lightspace ?
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Ted,

Is there a guide how to use your media files with media player (bluray with media player capabilities ) and DIP in lightspace ?
Hi, for LightSpace the intergration with the Disk is Fully Automated, but it needs an initial setup to find out which is the correct chapter to user for the specific display/meter settings, look how it works:

Intergration of Ted’s LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk with LightSpace Software for Automated Quick Profiling / 10-Point Cube / 17-Point Cube Profilings without user prompt, How is this possible?

LightSpace is using 2 modes to display and measure the Patches of your SelecTED Cube Size:

Closed Loop Mode: Where the probe dictates the timings per patch, with bright patches measured much faster, darker ones need more time to be measured, So with Closed Loop Mode you can use the LightSpace Internal Pattern Generator using you Notebook HDMI Output (with proper setup) or to use Lumagen Radiance Series as External Hardware Pattern Generator.

DIP mode (Display Independent Profiling): This mode uses a fixed time of displaying each color patch. Since the LightSpace is using the method of measuring only one time each color point, the patch sequence is fixed for each Cube Size, So My Disk is based to this fixed color point (patch) measuring order...

Example of DIP Mode:



If you select the 5 sec DIP mode, each patch is displayed for exact 5 sec before it goes to the next color. LightSpace has a fixed internal delay of 0.5 sec (500ms) which gives command to your meter to read each patch 0.5sec after it’s been displayed via Lumagen or via HDMI Out or via my Disk.

If you want to add some extra delay time before each Patch Measurement, LightSpace has add a Selectable bar you can add any additional time you want, and LightSpace adds your extra time selection to the 0.5sec fixed internal delay.



Example: If you select Extra Delay Time of 0.5sec, then the total delay you will have in total will be 1.0 sec (1000ms) before any meter read.

Displays can benefit from adding an Extra Delay Time before each measurement; it's useful for the panel to have more stable presentation of each pattern.

How to Find Out which DIP mode can be used for your display/meter?

To find out which DIP Chapter of my disk is required for your current display settings / meter settings, you have to use the Meter Time per Patch Finder Chapter of my disk which it displays the darkest colors of the selected LUT resolution and you need to measure these patches to find out which is the correct DIP mode Chapter you will need for your display profiling.

As we know, meters require more time to measure a low luminance color (Dark Patches) and also they can read faster a brighter color patch (With more Luminance).

The time it takes for your meter to read the Darkest Color Patches of your selecTED LUT Size is something that you need to take some measurements to find out the max time in xxx ms that will be required.



LightSpace has a feature called Measure & Log.

By Selecting this, you will be prompt to enter a File Name, for Example you can type ''5% Red'' and after clicking ok, the LightSpace will take continuous readings of the pattern you are displaying, as long time as you want, to stop this , press ‘’Stop Measurement’’...

After doing that, a ‘5% Red.cvs’’ file will be created and you will be able to open it with Excel to see the xyY Readings and the time it took for your meter to read this patch.

This is an example of the CVS file Data contents:



Here you can see the exact time it took to read the 5% Red of my KURO, with my iD3 (I have selected 1.5sec Intergration time).

This is a good way to find out and set your Meter Intergration Time, by checking the repeatability of any patch, and compare 2-3 different Intergration time settings (1sec. 1.25sec, 1.50sec…etc..) to find out which setting have more stable and repeatable xyY measurements.

IMPORTANT DETAIL: Enabling Average Low Light Measurements IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO BE USED WITH MY DISK! Avoid this Low Average Feature because the meter is reading more that one time the same patch (probably it will take 15-40 sec to return a single xyY number)

After you have decided about your Meter Settings, by selecting the Intergration Time and the Display Type (for colorimeters only), you have to spend a few minutes to take some measurements using my Disk’s Meter Time per Patch Finder Chapter.

Example: By Selecting the 17-Point Cube Time per Patch Finder Chapter, you will see this introduction screen..



Here you are able to see the Pattern Order Sequence.

Before each displayed pattern there a notification screen which displays what pattern it will be displayed… so when you will see that 5% Red Info Screen, click Measure and Log... and enter ‘5% Red’ as a file name, to collect data about any measured color.



You have to do this for all the 5% RGBCMY+Gray+Black Patchs to examine later which is the longest meter read with your Current Display Settings.

It’s very important step to keep the Disk-Software Synced during the whole 17-Point Profiling Time.



After you have completed all the required measurements (you will have saved a similar list of measurement files like this one), you have to open each one *.CVS Data File to find the longest in xxx.ms time it took from you meter to read it.

For example if your Longest in time read is 4200ms, add +500ms to this (because LightSpace adds that 500ms internal delay before each reading)…your total max measuring time will be 4700ms… so you will have to use the 5sec DIP mode for your 17-Point Profiling using my Disk.

If you need to add extra additional time of about 1sec, then you can select that from the probe setup window and later select the 6sec DIP mode 17-Point Profiling.
(Because 4200ms+500ms+1000ms will need 5700ms).

Be sure you have disabled any Screen Protection, Auto Stand-by mode or your Blu-Ray Player ‘Screen Saver Mode’ during before any Profiling Run.

How the Sync of Ted’s LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk with LightSpace CMS Software Works without user prompt for 17-Point Cube Profilings (4.913 Color Points) is working?

To sync the Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk played from your Blu-Ray Player with the software it requires ONLY ONE Synced Click from your Notebook Mouse.

My Disk’s DIP Mode Chapters are Starting with a 5 Sec of Chapter Announcement like this one:
(You can check the total chapter time here or from LightSpace software before starting the profiling measurements.)



...A 5sec 'Old Film Like' Countdown with Start, like this one:



And when you see the last frame.....



You have to click 'OK' the LightSpace Start Measurements Confirmation Window



Click 'OK' to start the measurements or press ‘Enter Key’ from your keyboard (I prefer this for perfect timing)

For the LightSpace users, all chapters are automated with Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk.

The video below shows the chapter that Klein K-10A users can use since it's their meter is so fast; they can use 1 sec per patch only!.


* Change the resolution to 1080p and run it at fullscreen.

With this method i1d3 users can use DIP Mode Chapter with 4 or 5 or 6 sec per Color Patch to perform a 10-Point Cube Calibration in total time between 1 hour - 1hour 40 minutes max, this is something it depends on user display and meter settings.



The LightSpace has a PercentageBar you are able to see your progress...

There is not any other user prompt till the end, After the last Color Patch is being measured, the LightSpace is saving that session of measurements automatically and the same time you will see that image at your TV screen:



NOTE: Only Sequential patch sequence is supported to current version of Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk, without Drift Comp.

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Hi TED, totally newbie here, never done any calibration and i'm buying an i1D3 PRO + Chromapure 3 (Thats all the money i can spent right now), the question is...

To use the 3D LUT i need BY FORCE an external generator and LightSpace? a PC cannot display those 3D Luts just connected to the TV?

I want to use it to calibrate my OLED B6V, sorry for the obvious questions and the bad english (I'm spanish), but we all start from the scratch

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Hi TED, totally newbie here, never done any calibration and i'm buying an i1D3 PRO + Chromapure 3 (Thats all the money i can spent right now), the question is...

To use the 3D LUT i need BY FORCE an external generator and LightSpace? a PC cannot display those 3D Luts just connected to the TV?

I want to use it to calibrate my OLED B6V, sorry for the obvious questions and the bad english (I'm spanish), but we all start from the scratch

Thanks
Hi,

If you are interested for 3D LUT display characterization when you have a HTPC as a Media Player, then you can use a software player which supports MadVR as a renderer; like Media Player Classic or JRiver; get a calibration software that supports MadVR (like LightSpace HTL/CalMAN Enthousiast/DisplayCAL) which is able to control the MadVR software pattern generator from inside your software player and be able to generate the 3D LUT correction table and do the display characterization.

MadVR supports the 3D LUT format file system of eeColor (65-Point Cube), so you will load the correction when you will playback movies from that software player you will use.

If you will use a stand-alone player (blu-ray/media player) and you want to do display characterization for your LG, then you need to add a 3D LUT Box between your player, to store there the 3D LUT correction table.

I have created a complete list which compares the features of each available 3D LUT Box of global market, to be able to help you choose what 3D LUT Box is better for your application/needs. There 3D LUT Boxes where they have internal pattern generator feature also, you can find to that comparison list the calibration software solutions you can use for each 3D LUT Box here.

For the 3D LUT Box which don't feature an internal pattern generator, you can use some low-priced hardware like (Amazon FireStick / Google ChromeCast etc.) to the software that supports these devices as patch generators.

Lately LightIllusion released LightSpace Connect software for this job: LightSpace Connect - Android and iOS App

There many different 3D LUT correction table sizes which each device is supporting, to see a visual comparison of color points calibrated between display internal controls vs. various 3D LUT Boxes you can see these Cube Size Comparison Pictures.

Using 3D LUT you calibrate many different levels or saturation/hue/luminance, so your performance will be reference at any color, in 8-bit systems, the allocation of 17 nodes per component (17-Point Cube) proves that is best trade off between display/meter/processor hardware / measuring time / display stability and overall quality, that's why that size is commonly used at pro industry.

The most important is the total volumetric accuracy for the best final results, consumer displays has not so linear tracking to all it's areas, so a large cube with a profiling sequence that 17 or 21-Point Cube (4.913 or 9.261 Color Points) grid-based with equal spaced RGB values will cover all potential colors equally and give the most accurate correction.

With 3D LUT you will have to do only basic setup from your internal calibration controls, contrast/brightness/sharpness, find native gamut and pre-calibrate only 100% White.

I have posted some results from 3D LUT in a LG OLED here, and Pioneer KURO there; using LightSpace with eeColor 3D LUT Box.

Moving to 3D LUT, it will save you some thousand new hours of trying different patterns and different values of internal calibration controls to minimize your color errors.

A good read about deltaE is here: http://www.lightillusion.com/delta-e.html

When you have only a few internal display calibration controls to handle some million colors performance, usually you will have low dE using the patterns you used to do Gamut calibrations and moving away from these colors the errors will be increased, so the more points you will measure, the more errors you will discover. (see there an example)

LG 2016 OLED's has an issue in it's Color Gamut mapping (I haven't measured 2017 models to see if they suffering with the same issue), the Normal Gamut it has provides a close gamut coverage to REC.709 (a bit oversaturated) but the tracking of low end colors is expanded to larger coverage, this is something I haven't seen before, seems that the LG engineers haven't programmed well that, see what is happening when you measure the lower luminance levels...this picture shows a 20-Point Luminance Sweep @ 100% Saturation, starting from 100% until 5%. From 25% Luminance and below the colorspace coverage is larger, this will provide non-linear gradients or other problems with strange shades to real picture (example here). Usually that kind of measurements are ignored from the users which measure only a few color points to validate the post calibration results.

Another forum user which measured 65E6 and 65G6 with 10-Point Saturation of various Luminance levels found the same results (and worse) using reference gear also (Klein K-10A + JETI 1211) and posted pictures and animated pictures there: ***Official B/C/E/G6P OLED Calibration Thread

I have posted it a lot of times that these displays can only perform reference only when you will perform a display characterization via a 3D LUT Box, any internal mapping of this display is terrible, like their calibration controls.




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Generally this problem with medium-low luminance tracking is something common for all kind of consumer displays, just the different and very unusual fact is that LG are expanding their gamut at low end, which is something I have never experienced before. The LED's for example are doing the opposite (or LG @ Wide mode in HDR or SDR)....at lower luminance levels the gamut is smaller:

This is a measurement from LG OLED 55C6 @ HDR mode:


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LightSpace with Quick Profiling measurement is used for this presentation.

These 2 different displays gamut coverage of 20-Points Luminance (5%-100%) per primary/secondary colors with 100% Saturation of each color. The White triangle line is the REC.709 colorspace coverage, the Gray line is the measured gamut coverage, and the Animated images showing the coverage from 100% (255.255.255) down to 5% (13.13.13). As you can see the coverage is not the same to all luminance levels.

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I just buy the media version, when can I expect the download link ?


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Hi, I just send you the download link

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