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The EE Color has 1D and 3D LUTs.

We should reset the 3D LUT prior to the profiling pass. You can stack the 3D LUT on top of the 1D LUT so you don't need to reset the 1D LUT first.
But at some point, if you do a dense enough cube, you don't need the 1D LUT... right?
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The EE Color has 1D and 3D LUTs.



We should reset the 3D LUT prior to the profiling pass. You can stack the 3D LUT on top of the 1D LUT so you don't need to reset the 1D LUT first.

sotti thank you for you comments. What I'm seeing is after the reads are completed and the color correction table is loaded into the eeColor box is the following: I immediately run the post-3D LUT verification per the Calman workflow with the meter, pattern generator (MobileForge on Fire TV fed through the eeColor box during 3D LUT correction Table creation and during post-checks using Calman) and LUT holder all still hooked up, and the results are not changed from the pre-calibration check. Is it possible the eeColor box is still in pass-thru mode? Then I disconnect the meter and pattern source from the laptop while leaving the eeColor box connected via USB and run calibration checks in Calman. I'm assuming Calman is using either the target 3D LUT file in eeColor or the same 3D LUT file stored on the laptop. In any case, the results of all checks show the target primaries and secondary colors, grey scale, Gama, and RGB balance to be excellent. I then put the S&M calibration disk in the BD player and the color, contrast, brightness, hues, etc are very good to perfect. Finally, I watch content (from the BD) and the display's image is absolutely stunning. So my conclusion is, somehow, after the 3D LUT creation process, for some reason, the post-calibration checks immediately after the 3D LUT is loaded, following Calman's workflow, the pattern signal is still in the pass-through mode. Is there anything I'm doing wrong? By the way, after connecting to the eeColor box, and setting the target memory (3D LUT 2 in this case), I did a full DDC reset. I've been seeing this issue before but thought it was just a bad calibration. I no longer believe this is the case. Thank you for sharing insight into this issue.

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The EE color can get stuck in passthrough mode. make sure it's showing the ID number for the slot and not 0.

Disconnecting the EE is the most surefire way to make sure it's applying correction.

If the fireTV and a S&M disk don't line up, it could be that levels are shifted. Checking the black levels with the pluge on S&M and then make sure it measures similarly between the S&M and fireTV.

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The EE color can get stuck in passthrough mode. make sure it's showing the ID number for the slot and not 0.



Disconnecting the EE is the most surefire way to make sure it's applying correction.



If the fireTV and a S&M disk don't line up, it could be that levels are shifted. Checking the black levels with the pluge on S&M and then make sure it measures similarly between the S&M and fireTV.

Okay sotti, got it, thank you. Assumed something like that was going on.

Is my assumption correct that the 3D LUT tables created and stored by Calman can be used for post-calibration checks as opposed to taking additional readings directly off the display using a pattern generator? Is this an accurate method that can be used to assess the quality of the LUT corrections and to create accurate reports from? This could really be helpful when equipment must be disconnected immediately after a calibration session.
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Is my assumption correct that the 3D LUT tables created and stored by Calman can be used for post-calibration checks as opposed to taking additional readings directly off the display using a pattern generator?
By default CalMAN uses the hardware to validate the results. It does have a copy of the LUT and can use it as a VirtualLUT, but it is not enabled by default and you would have to make 3 or 4 mouse clicks to enable the "VirtualLUT".

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By default CalMAN uses the hardware to validate the results. It does have a copy of the LUT and can use it as a VirtualLUT, but it is not enabled by default and you would have to make 3 or 4 mouse clicks to enable the "VirtualLUT".

Okay, this makes sense to ensure accuracy in the final result. So, being connected via USB allows Calman to read the corrected values directly from eeColor box in terms of running post calibration checks without actually performing additional reads (which would be redundant immediately after said 3D LUT creation). Am I correct on this?
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Okay, this makes sense to ensure accuracy in the final result. So, being connected via USB allows Calman to read the corrected values directly from eeColor box in terms of running post calibration checks without actually performing additional reads (which would be redundant immediately after said 3D LUT creation). Am I correct on this?
No it simply allows us to clear the LUT prior to profiling and upload the LUT at the end.

Verification always requires doing a measurement pass.
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Looking for some input on this setup with an eecolor box, being a 3D user:

Dish DVR and Oppo 103D sources. Dish DVR runs into 103D HDMI In Back input.

HDMI 1 out from Oppo will run a 3-foot cable for the video to the eecolor, and then another 3-foot cable out to the LG OLED.
HDMI 2 out from the Oppo runs a 6-foot cable to the Denon AVR for audio only.
I run the Oppo on Source Direct.

I figure when I watch a 3D disk I'll just unplug the 3-foot cable going from the 103D to the eecolor, and plug it directly into the LG because it will be long enough.
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Looking for some input on this setup with an eecolor box, being a 3D user:



Dish DVR and Oppo 103D sources. Dish DVR runs into 103D HDMI In Back input.



HDMI 1 out from Oppo will run a 3-foot cable for the video to the eecolor, and then another 3-foot cable out to the LG OLED.

HDMI 2 out from the Oppo runs a 6-foot cable to the Denon AVR for audio only.

I run the Oppo on Source Direct.



I figure when I watch a 3D disk I'll just unplug the 3-foot cable going from the 103D to the eecolor, and plug it directly into the LG because it will be long enough.

Do you have the AVR going out to an input on the tv? If so, you could switch to Dual Display in the Oppo Video/Dual HDMI Output setting instead of swapping cables around.
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Do you have the AVR going out to an input on the tv? If so, you could switch to Dual Display in the Oppo Video/Dual HDMI Output setting instead of swapping cables around.

I don't, but that is def an option.
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I don't, but that is def an option.

Actually, now that I think if it, I'm not sure hdmi2 will output 3D, so maybe my suggestion is bad. Testing or research needed. Your original plan might be the only good option unless you decide to use hdmi2 as primary with eeColor, and hdmi1 for 3D only.
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I don't, but that is def an option.
Hi, generally OPPO's HDMI1 is the more transparent and it's using the main video chipset processing, it's better to use this output for video.

You can use an 1x2 HDMI 1.4 Splitter. That splitter will send image from the 1 input (Your OPPO HDMI1) the 2 outputs simultaneously.

One output will go directly to your display for 3D Movies and the second output to eeColor -> display for 2D movies and you will be able to select from your TV's remote which HDMI Source you will need to watch.

If you have 1 HDMI Input left for example to your TV or you have a projector, you can get as extra a HDMI 1.4 Switcher with a remote, end connect there the 2 HDMI that will come from the splitter, so you will be able to switch from the Switchers remote, to have one HDMI output for the display.
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Success: Mobileforge + eeColor + i1Pro2 + C6 + Calman HE + KURO + Rayjr

Over the weekend I had some time to set everything up in preparation to run another 3D LUT in accordance with the gracious (critical) information Rayjr offered in this endeavor. By the way, don't hesitate to contact Rayjr for ANY DIY's who are stuck--especially with the eeColor box. As have written in previous posts, earlier results produced great images but far from acceptable when the post-calibrated display was measured in Calman. For the first time, I profiled the C6 using a brand new i1Pro 2 as the reference spectrometer in Calman Home Enthusiast (latest revision). A tip from Ray, I set the delay time to 1.0 second and stimulus level to 100% and the read points to 3500. Also, of course, performed the full DDC reset and, and for the first time, skipped the 1D LUT in the workflow. Also, as has always been the case, could not get the pre-calibrate White deltaE below 7.5. I wonder how much improvement the results would have been if I was able to get it below the recommended 3.0? Anyway, the total run time was about 3 hours. Holding my breath, I ran the post-calibration measurements, and for the first time, got very good results! Watching content, the problem I was having with red-faces went away as the skin tones were excellent. The pre- and post- calibration results are shown below. A big thanks to Rayjr for his help in getting this all to finally come together for a great calibrated display. By the way, using the M&S II calibration disk as an independent review of the calibration results proved the plasma display was calibrated far beyond what I could have achieved using the TV display controls alone. The contrast and brightness were perfect as well as the tint and color. The colorspace was also perfect with all of the de-saturated little clipping squares barely visible in all of the color blocks showing correct adjustments. Over all, just a fantastic result, which finally can be shown via the post-calibration meter measurements.
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Over the weekend I had some time to set everything up in preparation to run another 3D LUT in accordance with the gracious (critical) information Rayjr offered in this endeavor. By the way, don't hesitate to contact Rayjr for ANY DIY's who are stuck--especially with the eeColor box. As have written in previous posts, earlier results produced great images but far from acceptable when the post-calibrated display was measured in Calman. For the first time, I profiled the C6 using a brand new i1Pro 2 as the reference spectrometer in Calman Home Enthusiast (latest revision). A tip from Ray, I set the delay time to 1.0 second and stimulus level to 100% and the read points to 3500. Also, of course, performed the full DDC reset and, and for the first time, skipped the 1D LUT in the workflow. Also, as has always been the case, could not get the pre-calibrate White deltaE below 7.5. I wonder how much improvement the results would have been if I was able to get it below the recommended 3.0? Anyway, the total run time was about 3 hours. Holding my breath, I ran the post-calibration measurements, and for the first time, got very good results! Watching content, the problem I was having with red-faces went away as the skin tones were excellent. The pre- and post- calibration results are shown below. A big thanks to Rayjr for his help in getting this all to finally come together for a great calibrated display. By the way, using the M&S II calibration disk as an independent review of the calibration results proved the plasma display was calibrated far beyond what I could have achieved using the TV display controls alone. The contrast and brightness were perfect as well as the tint and color. The colorspace was also perfect with all of the de-saturated little clipping squares barely visible in all of the color blocks showing correct adjustments. Over all, just a fantastic result, which finally can be shown via the post-calibration meter measurements.
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eeColor Processor - CalMAN - 3D LUTs

There is one head scratcher though. My gama curve was less than ideal. Using 10% grayscale, the curve variance occurred at the 80-100% end of the curve. When using 5%, the curve looks worse. I wondered if this is a result of the limited accuracy of the C6? Also, I only used the spectro to profile the C6 to the display, but I know the i1Pro2 is limited to an accuracy of 10nm. Could the gama curve error be a result of the i1 Pro 2 limitation? Thanks is advance.

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There is one head scratcher though. My gama curve was less than ideal. Using 10% grayscale, the curve variance occurred at the 80-100% end of the curve. When using 5%, the curve looks worse. I wondered if this is a result of the limited accuracy of the C6? Also, I only used the spectro to profile the C6 to the display, but I know the i1Pro2 is limited to an accuracy of 10nm. Could the gama curve error be a result of the i1 Pro 2 limitation? Thanks is advance.
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Can you post a screenshot of the results?


Unfortunately, not until I have the chance to take a new batch of readings. I thought I had saved the charts but could not locate them earlier. Thank you for asking. Hopefully I'll get a chance soon to retake the readings and will post the results then.
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CalMAN 5.7.0 requires updated maintenance. Maintenance expiration date cut off is Jan 1, 2016.

Added Rec2020 support to QD780 and QD804 pattern generators.

Added the OLED Judd Modified white point.

Added Pattern Insertion feature for OLED displays. With this feature enabled, CalMAN will periodically display a full field pattern amidst the normal pattern progression. This feature is under Application Measurement Options and allows the user to specify frequency (in seconds), pattern duration (in seconds) and the pattern level.

Added a "User Mode" Exposure mode for the CR-100 and CR-250 meters.

Added Dolby Vision Golden reference .dvgr file import function for Dolby Vision calibrations.

Added support for the Teradek Colr LUT Box. This functions as both a Display and a Pattern Generator.

Added support for the Panasonic DX (2016) series displays.

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I was looking online at the eecolor website to find a download link for the truview software. I redid a laptop computer to use for calibration and wanted to load truview on it.

I couldn't find it.

Does anyone know if its been pulled?

Do you really even need it if you're using Calman?
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I was looking online at the eecolor website to find a download link for the truview software. I redid a laptop computer to use for calibration and wanted to load truview on it.

I couldn't find it.

Does anyone know if its been pulled?

Do you really even need it if you're using Calman?
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I have uploaded these files to my site.

You don't need eeColor application if you are using CalMAN, unless you want to upload custom OSD screen menus.

You can download the TruVue Application Software Version 2 from here: http://www.displaycalibrations.com/f..._Version_2.zip

or the eeColor's manual: http://www.displaycalibrations.com/f...User_Guide.pdf

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Would someone please check the latest official release of Calman and see if the default black level target setting under "Workflow Advanced Options" has changed from "use Measured Black Level" to the manual input with a value of 0.0005.

I don't recall changing it and though it originally defaulted to as measured.
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Would someone please check the latest official release of Calman and see if the default black level target setting under "Workflow Advanced Options" has changed from "use Measured Black Level" to the manual input with a value of 0.0005.

I don't recall changing it and though it originally defaulted to as measured.
When I open a workflow (CalMAN Enthusiast), it still defaults to "Use Measured Black Level" for me.
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I had a separate thread regarding an eeColor 3D Lut box and CalMAN to be used with my LG EF9500. After a lot of input from various users, I think I am on the right track and have a very good 21^3 profile for my eeColor, but was hoping for a little more input and help in here for the final tuning (hopefully without having to rerun the profile).

1) Below are my before and after readings of the 3D Lut profile I created. For the before profile I calibrated the 2pt Low/High on the LG for 5% and 100% tracking, then did a quick run through of the 20pt grayscale controls (I already had a calibrated grayscale for my Sammy UHD player since it will not be a part of the eeColor chain so I just copied the settings and verified with a few reads). As you can see, the 3D Lut profile created did wonders for the colors...but knocked the grayscale out of tracking a little. My goal was a Power Curve of 2.25 with a Black Level Target of 0.005 to ramp out of black (per Chad B's custom workflow recommendation). Am I allowed/can I make a few small adjustments to the LG's 20pt controls to bring the grayscale back in line or at least soften the peaks and dips? Nothing major, just a few ticks here and there? If I have been learning correctly, as long as I don't touch the 100% IRE (100 White) controls, the colorspace corrections shouldn't be affected noticeably, right?





2) Below are before and after pictures of a Grayscale Ramp pattern. With the 3D Lut disabled, the Grayscale Ramp has no major/noticeable banding. But with it enabled there is noticeable banding. What would cause this and can I fix it or lessen the effects?





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I had a separate thread regarding an eeColor 3D Lut box and CalMAN to be used with my LG EF9500. After a lot of input from various users, I think I am on the right track and have a very good 21^3 profile for my eeColor, but was hoping for a little more input and help in here for the final tuning (hopefully without having to rerun the profile).

2) Below are before and after pictures of a Grayscale Ramp pattern. With the 3D Lut disabled, the Grayscale Ramp has no major/noticeable banding. But with it enabled there is noticeable banding. What would cause this and can I fix it or lessen the effects?
Hi, are you sure that you measured 9261 color points (21-Point Cube)? How many hours it took?

About the problem you see at that grayscale ramps, can you locate a ~14MB *.TXT file that is located probably in the My Documers/SpectraCAL/LUT's/ folder; it's the correction file that CalMAN generated from your measurements (cLUT) and has uploaded to your eeColor.

If you find it, zip it and upload it (you can use for example the http://tinyupload.com/), to take a look and see what went wrong.

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Hi, are you sure that you measured 9261 color points (21-Point Cube)? How many hours it took?

About the problem you see at that grayscale ramps, can you locate a ~14MB *.TXT file that is located probably in the My Documers/SpectraCAL/LUT's/ folder; it's the correction file that CalMAN generated from your measurements (cLUT) and has uploaded to your eeColor.

If you find it, zip it and upload it (you can use for example the http://tinyupload.com/), to take a look and see what went wrong.
It took a little under 6 hours and CalMAN reported 9261 points measured at the end.

Here is the file download link
http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php...13925443053893

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You may have over done your pre GS settings.
Try and avoid using Green for Low RGB white balance.

Wanted to try out JimP sugestion about using the sub controls in CM for the K10-A setup.
Ran a 9261 point profile and a 21 point GS, using autocal. Both GS and 3DLUT were uploaded to the beta Lumagen Pro 4444.

I have used CM 3DLUT with a Lumagen mini from when CM first came out with 3DLUT. For the last few years I have been using the eecolor and ArgyllCMS or Lightspace.

Anyway from what I seen this new CM does a very nice job for 3DLUT's.
The Charts may not be as preety as I can make them, but what I have seen is very good.

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You may have over done your pre GS settings.
Try and avoid using Green for Low RGB white balance.
For the Low 2pt control, the only adjustment made was -1 for Green.
5% IRE control was never touched (all values at 0), and 10% and 15% both have Green @ -4
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