Mascior's Calibration Disc - Page 3 - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Forum Jump: 
 5Likes
 
Thread Tools
Old 04-07-2013, 05:28 PM - Thread Starter
A/V Addicted Member
 
mascior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Currituck, NC
Posts: 579
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 229 Post(s)
Liked: 274
Quote:
Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

Really impressive work, Ryan. The disk seems to have everything I need. And your menu configuration is superb.

Thanks,
Larry

Quote:
Originally Posted by PeterLewis View Post

+1 agreed to the fullest.

Adding the 0% black in the greyscale run and putting the 75/100 windows at the end of the color run helped tremendous with HCFR.

Thanks again Mascior baby..smile.gif

Thanks Guys!smile.gif
mascior is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 04-09-2013, 06:11 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
gadgtfreek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Bama
Posts: 8,682
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 632 Post(s)
Liked: 3012
Hi, great looking menu. As a 103 owner and someone looking at calman 5 and a i1pro2, my next challenge is reliable source generation on a budget.

I have an OPPO 103, so could I just burn the avchd version and start calibrating with it in the OPPO?

Its amazing more and more of these discs are being made by enthusiasts giving us an option over spending $600-4000 for a generator. I assume the accuracy of the patterns is just strictly making sure the numbers are correct when you create the pattern?

Thanks.

65E6P / 65EF9500 / DMP-UB900
AV7702II / Outlaw 7125
RF7II's / RC64II / Dual FV15HP's
gadgtfreek is offline  
Old 04-09-2013, 08:21 AM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
PlasmaPZ80U's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 11,262
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1969 Post(s)
Liked: 562
Quote:
Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post


Its amazing more and more of these discs are being made by enthusiasts giving us an option over spending $600-4000 for a generator. I assume the accuracy of the patterns is just strictly making sure the numbers are correct when you create the pattern?

Thanks.

yeah, I agree

pattern accuracy has to do with the RGB triplets of the disc patterns matching the RGB triplets of the patterns the calibration software is expecting... also converting files (such from PNGs to MP4s to AVCHD or HDMV... things of that sort) can introduce errors, which is why patterns are checked for accuracy before being released

UN46EH6030 Calibration/Settings
Samsung UN46EH6030; Yamaha HTR-3066, SVS Prime Bookshelf Mains and Prime Center, Cambridge S20 Surrounds, Rythmik LV12R; PS4, Xbox One, Xfinity X1 (CI CXD01ANI)
PlasmaPZ80U is offline  
 
Old 04-09-2013, 08:30 AM
Senior Member
 
ndaa75's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Caister on Sea, UK
Posts: 494
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Hi, great looking menu. As a 103 owner and someone looking at calman 5 and a i1pro2, my next challenge is reliable source generation on a budget.

I have an OPPO 103, so could I just burn the avchd version and start calibrating with it in the OPPO?

Its amazing more and more of these discs are being made by enthusiasts giving us an option over spending $600-4000 for a generator. I assume the accuracy of the patterns is just strictly making sure the numbers are correct when you create the pattern?

Thanks.

Indeed.

The functionality and affordabilityof both hardware and software seems to have made a significant impact on attratcing a new band of followers to the world of calibration and its great that people such as Ryan, Visca, etc spend their time helping others. The process of making a disc is extremely time consuming.

In respect of the numbers, you have to ensure the RGB triplets are where they are supposed to be when you make the pattern.

Benq W1080ST Projector, Panasonic TXP55VT30 plasma, Yamaha RXA3020 AVR, Denon DVD-2500BT, Q Acoustics 1010i in 7.1, i1 Pro spectro, i1 Display Pro, Calman 5 Enthusiast, PS3, Xbox 360, Wii

Calibration Management Disc
ndaa75 is offline  
Old 04-09-2013, 08:34 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
gadgtfreek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Bama
Posts: 8,682
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 632 Post(s)
Liked: 3012
Thanks to both. It seems I read where the GCD disc has been checked against an accupel or some sort of generator, has anyone had time to run this disc thru a sort of double check. No offense intended, I just find the data very interesting when someone does.

65E6P / 65EF9500 / DMP-UB900
AV7702II / Outlaw 7125
RF7II's / RC64II / Dual FV15HP's
gadgtfreek is offline  
Old 04-09-2013, 08:43 AM
Senior Member
 
ndaa75's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Caister on Sea, UK
Posts: 494
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Thanks to both. It seems I read where the GCD disc has been checked against an accupel or some sort of generator, has anyone had time to run this disc thru a sort of double check. No offense intended, I just find the data very interesting when someone does.

You can run the patterns through a reverse process to check the output. In the AVS disk thread the process is mentioned, but personally running the patterns through the measurement software and comparing to other disks is usually a good way to check as i do with my own custom patterns.

Benq W1080ST Projector, Panasonic TXP55VT30 plasma, Yamaha RXA3020 AVR, Denon DVD-2500BT, Q Acoustics 1010i in 7.1, i1 Pro spectro, i1 Display Pro, Calman 5 Enthusiast, PS3, Xbox 360, Wii

Calibration Management Disc
ndaa75 is offline  
Old 04-09-2013, 08:49 AM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Wetumpka, AL
Posts: 17,778
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1394 Post(s)
Liked: 588
Quote:
Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Hi, great looking menu. As a 103 owner and someone looking at calman 5 and a i1pro2, my next challenge is reliable source generation on a budget.

I have an OPPO 103, so could I just burn the avchd version and start calibrating with it in the OPPO?

Its amazing more and more of these discs are being made by enthusiasts giving us an option over spending $600-4000 for a generator. I assume the accuracy of the patterns is just strictly making sure the numbers are correct when you create the pattern?

Thanks.

I sure wish it was that simple.

You also have to figure out peculiarities of your display which dictates which patterns you use. For example, when calibrating grayscale on my 65VT50, you get very different results if you use a non APL 5% window versus a 22% APL 5% window. I'm still working on figuring this out but its enough to say that you may find that you spend $1K on a spectro, then $500 on software, thinking you're done and then find that you still have to get a signal generator to get just the right pattern for your display. If you do decide to get a signal generator, I'd recommend the Accupel 5000.
JimP is offline  
Old 04-09-2013, 08:52 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
gadgtfreek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Bama
Posts: 8,682
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 632 Post(s)
Liked: 3012
Quote:
Originally Posted by JimP View Post

I sure wish it was that simple.

You also have to figure out peculiarities of your display which dictates which patterns you use. For example, when calibrating grayscale on my 65VT50, you get very different results if you use a non APL 5% window versus a 22% APL 5% window. I'm still working on figuring this out but its enough to say that you may find that you spend $1K on a spectro, then $500 on software, thinking you're done and then find that you still have to get a signal generator to get just the right pattern for your display. I'm not a pro calibrator and am only having to work on my personal display.

I have a vt50 as well and yes plasmas ate tricky. Up until this point I've been using the gcd disc for the 10% sized windows, which compare to generators. The avs patterns are too large for plasma IMO. I'm also looking forward to the new spears disc with the equal energy patterns.

65E6P / 65EF9500 / DMP-UB900
AV7702II / Outlaw 7125
RF7II's / RC64II / Dual FV15HP's
gadgtfreek is offline  
Old 04-09-2013, 09:09 AM
Senior Member
 
ndaa75's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Caister on Sea, UK
Posts: 494
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 22
All plasmas are different. Ive used the patterns on the AVS disk before with great results on a Samsung D8000, however for my VT30 the AVS ones are too large. When i return from my vacation in Tunisia ill be using Steve Shaws method in an attempt to find the 'optimum` patch size for my specific TV.

Benq W1080ST Projector, Panasonic TXP55VT30 plasma, Yamaha RXA3020 AVR, Denon DVD-2500BT, Q Acoustics 1010i in 7.1, i1 Pro spectro, i1 Display Pro, Calman 5 Enthusiast, PS3, Xbox 360, Wii

Calibration Management Disc
ndaa75 is offline  
Old 04-09-2013, 12:31 PM
Senior Member
 
prsut's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Slovakia
Posts: 243
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Liked: 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

I have an OPPO 103, so could I just burn the avchd version and start calibrating with it in the OPPO?
.

I have oppo 103 + panasonic gt50. Avchd burned on dvd disc works fine with oppo. Confirmed.
gadgtfreek likes this.

Panasonic TX-P42GT50E, Oppo 103, Schiit Vali, Denon AHD2000 + Moon Audio Blue Dragon V3, Phonak Audeo 121, Vsonic GR07, Fiio E17, Cowon S9, XLO cables :: CalMAN 5 Enthusiast,Chromapure Standard, i1D3, i1Display 2, TED's Calibration Blu Ray Disc v1.0 & v1.1
prsut is offline  
Old 04-09-2013, 04:10 PM - Thread Starter
A/V Addicted Member
 
mascior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Currituck, NC
Posts: 579
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 229 Post(s)
Liked: 274
JimP, ndaa75, and PlasmaPZ80U thank you for answering gadgtfreek's questions. Anyone who has attempted this process knows it's extremely time consuming and accuracy is key!smile.gif
mascior is offline  
Old 04-09-2013, 04:23 PM - Thread Starter
A/V Addicted Member
 
mascior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Currituck, NC
Posts: 579
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 229 Post(s)
Liked: 274
Quote:
Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Thanks to both. It seems I read where the GCD disc has been checked against an accupel or some sort of generator, has anyone had time to run this disc thru a sort of double check. No offense intended, I just find the data very interesting when someone does.

I'm not aware of any comparative accuracy tests between my disc and a reference generator. However, I have referenced my disc against both GCD and AVSHD709 disc like ndaa75 pointed out, with flawless results. My disc was created/authored using the same methods and software as the GCD/AVSHD709 disc's.
gadgtfreek likes this.
mascior is offline  
Old 04-09-2013, 04:47 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
gadgtfreek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Bama
Posts: 8,682
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 632 Post(s)
Liked: 3012
Thanks! Its great having so many options now due to hard working folks. Im waiting on a new meter and software and hope to do some toying this weekend.

65E6P / 65EF9500 / DMP-UB900
AV7702II / Outlaw 7125
RF7II's / RC64II / Dual FV15HP's
gadgtfreek is offline  
Old 04-09-2013, 05:17 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
gadgtfreek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Bama
Posts: 8,682
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 632 Post(s)
Liked: 3012
Just got it burned to a DVD-R and it works perfect in the Oppo 103. I really do love the patterns, truly surprised to see everything you put on there.

On the Grayscale ramp, with 16 on the left and 235 on the right. Should I be able to distinguish 16 from the double wide black bar to the left of it (other side of white marker), or should it blend in for proper brightness setting?

I notice 235 can be distinguished from the double white bar to its right. For fun this weekend, if my meter comes in, I want to run these 4% windows and then run Chad's 4% circles and see what the results are. And then 4% vs 6.5% on the VT50.

Thanks.

65E6P / 65EF9500 / DMP-UB900
AV7702II / Outlaw 7125
RF7II's / RC64II / Dual FV15HP's
gadgtfreek is offline  
Old 04-09-2013, 06:01 PM - Thread Starter
A/V Addicted Member
 
mascior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Currituck, NC
Posts: 579
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 229 Post(s)
Liked: 274
Quote:
Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Just got it burned to a DVD-R and it works perfect in the Oppo 103. I really do love the patterns, truly surprised to see everything you put on there.

On the Grayscale ramp, with 16 on the left and 235 on the right. Should I be able to distinguish 16 from the double wide black bar to the left of it (other side of white marker), or should it blend in for proper brightness setting?

I notice 235 can be distinguished from the double white bar to its right. For fun this weekend, if my meter comes in, I want to run these 4% windows and then run Chad's 4% circles and see what the results are. And then 4% vs 6.5% on the VT50.

Thanks.

Use the black clipping pattern in my basic calibration setup for proper brightness adjustment. 16 is your reference black and should not flash. Adjust your brightness so that only 17 and higher are flashing. The VT50 is tricky so be careful adjusting brightness between 48hz, 60hz, and 96hz as I have found all differ in setting. Chad's 4% patterns should match mine 60% through 100% stimulus and color sweeps. The only difference maybe 50% through 10% stimulus depending on what triplet integers he used i.e. round down or round nearest.
gadgtfreek likes this.
mascior is offline  
Old 04-09-2013, 06:40 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
gadgtfreek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Bama
Posts: 8,682
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 632 Post(s)
Liked: 3012
Awesome, thanks!

With test patterns, I found it best IMO to turn 24P off in the Oppo and send the VT50 1080p/60hz when playing back discs. It seemed to perform better than the 60hz and 96hz modes on the display.

Do you have any thought if either set of patterns will perform better with Calman 5, as that is what Ill be using this weekend (I also have Chromapure). I wasnt sure if the math used by say Calman vs Chromapure varied as well and one set of patterns may fit better with one type of software.

65E6P / 65EF9500 / DMP-UB900
AV7702II / Outlaw 7125
RF7II's / RC64II / Dual FV15HP's
gadgtfreek is offline  
Old 04-09-2013, 07:00 PM - Thread Starter
A/V Addicted Member
 
mascior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Currituck, NC
Posts: 579
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 229 Post(s)
Liked: 274
My disc along with the GCD disc created/designed around Chromapure software and the AVSHD709 disc is designed for Calman integer wise. However, comparisons were conducted and the differences were minuscule.
mascior is offline  
Old 04-09-2013, 07:03 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
gadgtfreek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Bama
Posts: 8,682
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 632 Post(s)
Liked: 3012
Thanks.

Only reason Id like to avoid AVS709 in my case is the patterns are just too large IMO.

65E6P / 65EF9500 / DMP-UB900
AV7702II / Outlaw 7125
RF7II's / RC64II / Dual FV15HP's
gadgtfreek is offline  
Old 04-10-2013, 04:53 PM
Advanced Member
 
hungro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 913
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 164 Post(s)
Liked: 111
Quote:
Originally Posted by mascior View Post

Use the black clipping pattern in my basic calibration setup for proper brightness adjustment. 16 is your reference black and should not flash. Adjust your brightness so that only 17 and higher are flashing. The VT50 is tricky so be careful adjusting brightness between 48hz, 60hz, and 96hz as I have found all differ in setting. Chad's 4% patterns should match mine 60% through 100% stimulus and color sweeps. The only difference maybe 50% through 10% stimulus depending on what triplet integers he used i.e. round down or round nearest.

With your black clipping pattern do we need to worry about 17 being "barely visible" or just get 16 invisible and your done?
hungro is offline  
Old 04-10-2013, 05:06 PM - Thread Starter
A/V Addicted Member
 
mascior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Currituck, NC
Posts: 579
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 229 Post(s)
Liked: 274
Quote:
Originally Posted by hungro View Post

With your black clipping pattern do we need to worry about 17 being "barely visible" or just get 16 invisible and your done?

17 needs to be barely visible and the only way to properly adjust at that level (that I've found) is in a completely darken room...face up on the screen. 16 should never flash as this represents the deepest shade of black your display can reproduce.
gadgtfreek likes this.
mascior is offline  
Old 04-11-2013, 06:46 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
gadgtfreek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Bama
Posts: 8,682
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 632 Post(s)
Liked: 3012
Just used your disc to calibrate my VT50, worked great. Used the brightness pattern to test as need throughout calibration, used the 6.5% sized windows, ran initial CMS adjustments with 75% amplitude/100% saturation patterns, then did the advanced CMS (25%,50%,75% saturation with 75% amplitude).

Very easy using the disc.
prsut likes this.

65E6P / 65EF9500 / DMP-UB900
AV7702II / Outlaw 7125
RF7II's / RC64II / Dual FV15HP's
gadgtfreek is offline  
Old 04-11-2013, 07:08 PM - Thread Starter
A/V Addicted Member
 
mascior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Currituck, NC
Posts: 579
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 229 Post(s)
Liked: 274
Quote:
Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Just used your disc to calibrate my VT50, worked great. Used the brightness pattern to test as need throughout calibration, used the 6.5% sized windows, ran initial CMS adjustments with 75% amplitude/100% saturation patterns, then did the advanced CMS (25%,50%,75% saturation with 75% amplitude).

Very easy using the disc.

Awesome, good to hear! I am glad the disc was easy to calibrate with.smile.gif
gadgtfreek likes this.
mascior is offline  
Old 04-12-2013, 12:00 PM
Senior Member
 
anta1974's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ukraine
Posts: 415
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 61 Post(s)
Liked: 29
Please, add 5% size 18-25% APL windows unsigned.
And 1%
anta1974 is offline  
Old 04-12-2013, 01:04 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Wetumpka, AL
Posts: 17,778
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1394 Post(s)
Liked: 588
Quote:
Originally Posted by anta1974 View Post

Please, add 5% size 18-25% APL windows unsigned.
And 1%

Sounds like you have a 2012 Panasonic plasma and read Chad B"s post. smile.gif
JimP is offline  
Old 04-12-2013, 01:06 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
gadgtfreek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Bama
Posts: 8,682
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 632 Post(s)
Liked: 3012
After running his 4%, and the 6.5 and 10% off this disc, its my opinion you don't need a apl window as part of it. Just my 0.02.

65E6P / 65EF9500 / DMP-UB900
AV7702II / Outlaw 7125
RF7II's / RC64II / Dual FV15HP's
gadgtfreek is offline  
Old 04-12-2013, 01:10 PM - Thread Starter
A/V Addicted Member
 
mascior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Currituck, NC
Posts: 579
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 229 Post(s)
Liked: 274
Quote:
Originally Posted by anta1974 View Post

Please, add 5% size 18-25% APL windows unsigned.
And 1%

I have been working on entire suite of 5% APL window patterns. All 5% windows will be on a constant 22% background. I will most likely be adding this to my APL section in REV_004.
anta1974 and gadgtfreek like this.
mascior is offline  
Old 04-12-2013, 02:51 PM
Senior Member
 
anta1974's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ukraine
Posts: 415
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 61 Post(s)
Liked: 29
without labels do?
anta1974 is offline  
Old 04-12-2013, 05:34 PM - Thread Starter
A/V Addicted Member
 
mascior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Currituck, NC
Posts: 579
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 229 Post(s)
Liked: 274
Quote:
Originally Posted by anta1974 View Post

without labels do?

Labeling will be limited to black this go round instead of matching the pattern like the rest of the disc.smile.gif
mascior is offline  
Old 04-13-2013, 07:11 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
zoyd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Planet Dog
Posts: 6,293
Mentioned: 88 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1315 Post(s)
Liked: 1051
Quote:
Originally Posted by mascior View Post

I have been working on entire suite of 5% APL window patterns. All 5% windows will be on a constant 22% background. I will most likely be adding this to my APL section in REV_004.

Hi mascior,

Very nice disk, I took a tour this morning.smile.gif I especially like the 4% constant energy patterns, they give a good middle ground between small windows and 22% APL on plasma. Good navigation, nice job.
zoyd is offline  
Old 04-13-2013, 10:27 AM - Thread Starter
A/V Addicted Member
 
mascior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Currituck, NC
Posts: 579
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 229 Post(s)
Liked: 274
Quote:
Originally Posted by zoyd View Post

Hi mascior,

Very nice disk, I took a tour this morning.smile.gif I especially like the 4% constant energy patterns, they give a good middle ground between small windows and 22% APL on plasma. Good navigation, nice job.

Thank you sir! That means a lot coming from you. I used your massive amount of knowledge that's scattered all over this forum to help create my disc.smile.gif
mascior is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
 
Thread Tools


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off